Alan
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hmmmmm - looks like a "cluster" attack on Veda!
Veda will use the force
Hey Alan..NICE avatar
Pascal
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hmmmmm - looks like a "cluster" attack on Veda!
Really, invalidating wins makes me go berzerk
. I bashed an "Flag Trained" EO in his office for doing this to me and it took 5 HCO goons to stop me. "HCO bring order!". Well... They brought a medic for the guy.
Alan
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Really, invalidating wins makes me go berzerk
I notice you do not give Veda the same courtesy - aren't you invalidating her wins, her observations, her realizations?
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haiqu
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Alan
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Collywobbles. Carna Bombers!
haiqu
You know for almost 25 years I flashed across your TV screen?
ABC Oz, had a montage of sports that they used in their introductory to their program Wide World Of Sports, I was part of that montage!
Alan
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Bea Kiddo
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Really, invalidating wins makes me go berzerk
Dude, you got way too much anger built up in you. Give it up. Take a chill pill. Read a self help book or something. It's not worth it.
beyond_horizons
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Veda's posts contain a history, knowledge and wisdom that extends far beyond the walls of the box. Clearly understands the nature of the potholes intrenched in the road.hmmmmm - looks like a "cluster" attack on Veda!
But then I suppose its only natural for Lepidoptera Hubbos to be attracted to a flame.
Soul of Ginnungagab
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Yeah, I believe that from that periode things started develop into something that is really off. Hubbard took credit of everything. There were a lot of other people reasearching and developing.
And the background(s) of scientology isn't credited neither, the background(s) has become more and more invisible. And yet the subject has roots in ancient philosophy and religion.
Sometimes we are told that scientology is a science, well if credits were given to all those sources (backgrounds, roots, researchers and any other relevant source) then Hubbard could have had a chance of getting the subject labeled as a kind of science, but without those credits the subject is headed differently.
There seem to be two entirely different threads in scientology. One thread would be a road towards improvement of conditions and the other thread would be a road towards worsening of conditions. The second one seems to have won in the organizations, but the seeds for both threads were sawn pretty early as far as I can see. Both threads can be glimpsed by looking at a simple thing like "doing the greatest good for the greatest good of dynamics". If a person believes in that idea and find him/herself being enrolled in only doing what is good for one dynamic "the group" - let us say he is a Sea Org member - and it is only possible to make that one dynamic be alive within the group - then he would leave that organization in order to actually make progress on all the dynamics. But the command intention is to stay in that group. So by leaving that group he is not following command intention but he is in fact doing what is correct according to the suggestions found in the philosophy.
You do not need to obey "command intention" at all to get an increased understand of life by reading materials issued under the name scientology. Because it is not obeying scientology that is the aim, it is understanding issues regarding life that is the aim. Even if you disagree with everything in the subject but nevertheless get an increased understanding regarding life you have made progress. It is not the agreement with the doctrines that counts, it is the change into an improved condition that counts.
Alan
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Wonderful post SoG
That last quote is the principal target!
Even LRH said in Advanced Procedure and Axioms:
"The auditor and preclear are a group.
To function well a group must be cleared.
The clearing of a group is not difficult. It requires but little time.
The relationship of the auditor and preclear is not parity.
The auditor lends himself to the group as the control center of the group until the preclear?s sub-control center is established under his own control center?s command. The role of the auditor ceases at that moment.
The auditor necessarily owns the preclear.
He owns the preclear on a lessening basis until the preclear owns himself.
If the auditor (or Organization,SO or DM) wishes to successfully own, to the end of NOT owning the preclear, he must not use the preclear to the service of the auditor (or Organization, SO or DM) for this establishes and confirms the ownership and inhibits the preclear from owning himself."
Alan
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Wonderful post SoG
That last quote is the principal target!
Even LRH said in Advanced Procedure and Axioms:
The auditor and preclear are a group.
To function well a group must be cleared.
The clearing of a group is not difficult. It requires but little time.
The relationship of the auditor and preclear is not parity.
The auditor lends himself to the group as the control center of the group until the preclear’s sub-control center is established under his own control center’s command. The role of the auditor ceases at that moment.
The auditor necessarily owns the preclear.
He owns the preclear on a lessening basis until the preclear owns himself.
If the auditor (or Organization,SO or DM) wishes to successfully own, to the end of NOT owning the preclear, he must not use the preclear to the service of the auditor (or Organization, SO or DM) for this establishes and confirms the ownership and inhibits the preclear from owning himself.
Alan
Heh. Maybe that's why Scientology is so loathe to 'deliver' clearing.
'What!!?? And give up *ownership*???'
Like the oft promised 'dictatorship of the proletariat', after which the 'state will wither away'.
Yeah; right
Zinj
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That last quote is the principal target!
Even LRH said in Advanced Procedure and Axioms:
The auditor and preclear are a group.
To function well a group must be cleared.
The clearing of a group is not difficult. It requires but little time.
The relationship of the auditor and preclear is not parity.
The auditor lends himself to the group as the control center of the group until the preclear’s sub-control center is established under his own control center’s command. The role of the auditor ceases at that moment.
The auditor necessarily owns the preclear.
He owns the preclear on a lessening basis until the preclear owns himself.
If the auditor (or Organization,SO or DM) wishes to successfully own, to the end of NOT owning the preclear, he must not use the preclear to the service of the auditor (or Organization, SO or DM) for this establishes and confirms the ownership and inhibits the preclear from owning himself.
Alan
Well, if it isn't written it isn't true.
So this must be true, since it's written.
And all that other stuff, the stuff that actually happens in using the preclear in service of the auditor and the organization, isn't true.
Since it isn't written.
beyond_horizons
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Obviously something he overheard in the Cantina one day while steeling money from the cash register?
Alan
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Obviously something he overheard in the Cantina one day while steeling money from the cash register?
Hubbard the writer was not Hubbard the applicator.
BTW: You can take any "leader" type item to "If the (leader, teacher, coach, mother, father, etc.) wishes to successfully own, to the end of NOT owning the (staff member, client, team member, child, etc.,) he must not use the (staff member, client, team member, child, etc.,) to the service of the (leader, teacher, coach, mother, father, etc.) for this establishes and confirms the ownership and inhibits the (staff member, client, team member, child, etc.,) from owning himself.
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Hubbard the writer was not Hubbard the applicator.
BTW: You can take any "leader" type item to "If the (leader, teacher, coach, mother, father, etc.) wishes to successfully own, to the end of NOT owning the (staff member, client, team member, child, etc.,) he must not use the (staff member, client, team member, child, etc.,) to the service of the (leader, teacher, coach, mother, father, etc.) for this establishes and confirms the ownership and inhibits the (staff member, client, team member, child, etc.,) from owning himself.
Alan
Actually, all this talk of 'owning' suggests a new definition for Scientology:
Soul racing for 'pinks' with a soulless moloch.
Zinj
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hmmmmm - looks like a "cluster" attack on Veda!
:rofl:
On oh so many levels, that is the funniest thing I've read..
Soul of Ginnungagab
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Thanks!Wonderful post SoG
Pascal
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I don't know why you would be proud of that.
I ain't proud of that. It was just to show what happens when you invalidate someone's wins and EO's do this often hinting that people are NCG with their J&D, PTS type X, SP, etc... indications.
Someone with a clean space does't get bashed. I never have.
Pascal
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