Some notes on running OT III

[Zinjifar]

I ain't proud of that. It was just to show what happens when you invalidate someone's wins and EO's do this often hinting that people are NCG with their J&D, PTS type X, SP, etc... indications.

Someone with a clean space does't get bashed. I never have.

Ever heard the term 'service facsimile'?

Or, 'rationalization'?
Or, 'excuse'?

Zinj

 

[Krysti]

I don't personally think its because of the power of suggestion. Not from the
very few I know who had problems being exposed to it prematurely. Very few people get problems exposed to these materials prematurely. Some though might have this problem. But I've never known of anyone who has. The data is available on all critical forums and was posted in the LA times also. There has ben no problems with this that i've ever heard of.

Why are you interested in scientology?

I had no idea what scientology was until Tom Cruise ranted on the Matt Lauer show about psychiatry and Brooke Shields. I have bipolar disorder so it was obviously offensive. However, I figured I'd read about scientology to see what they say the alternative to psychiatry is (who the heck wants to be on psychiatric medication?).

Imagine my surprise when I found out scientology doesn't even have an alternative! Then, I read about the Introspection Rundown... and that of course led me to Lisa McPherson... and so on and so on.

Personally, I think Hubbard was a genius to set up such an intricate scam. I also believe he was a paranoid schizophrenic.

Krysti

 

[Pascal]

Ever heard the term 'service facsimile'?

Or, 'rationalization'?
Or, 'excuse'?

Zinj

There are higher tone levels than 1.1 you know Zinj. Where you can actually perceive reality and confront things.

 

[Pascal]

I had no idea what scientology was until Tom Cruise ranted on the Matt Lauer show about psychiatry and Brooke Shields. I have bipolar disorder so it was obviously offensive. However, I figured I'd read about scientology to see what they say the alternative to psychiatry is (who the heck wants to be on psychiatric medication?).

Imagine my surprise when I found out scientology doesn't even have an alternative! Then, I read about the Introspection Rundown... and that of course led me to Lisa McPherson... and so on and so on.

Personally, I think Hubbard was a genius to set up such an intricate scam. I also believe he was a paranoid schizophrenic.

Krysti

Kristi, do the purification rundown and read/use Self-Analysis by Hubbard. That will get you flying again. Did for me.

 

[Tanstaafl]

There are higher tone levels than 1.1 you know Zinj. Where you can actually perceive reality and confront things.

I don't want to say that the post in question wasn't 1.1 only for Zinj to come back and say it was. However, there is insufficient evidence that this post is 1.1. Zinj can clearly perceive reality and confront things and if you read his posts you'll know that he's no dummy. It's better not to mock-up the tone of the comm, but if in doubt then communicate and get clarification.

 

[Pascal]

I don't want to say that the post in question wasn't 1.1 only for Zinj to come back and say it was. However, there is insufficient evidence that this post is 1.1. Zinj can clearly perceive reality and confront things and if you read his posts you'll know that he's no dummy. It's better not to mock-up the tone of the comm, but if in doubt then communicate and get clarification.

You don't get in comm with 1.1s, you audit them or get rid of them quietly. Zinj doesn't inspire the former

 

[Zinjifar]

I don't want to say that the post in question wasn't 1.1 only for Zinj to come back and say it was. However, there is insufficient evidence that this post is 1.1. Zinj can clearly perceive reality and confront things and if you read his posts you'll know that he's no dummy. It's better not to mock-up the tone of the comm, but if in doubt then communicate and get clarification.

There's nothing particularly 'covert' about me

But, why 'come back' when PMD so aptly demonstrates my point?

Zinj

 

[Pascal]

There's nothing particularly 'covert' about me

But, why 'come back' when PMD so aptly demonstrates my point?

Zinj

Then be so kind as to explain your intention behind those questions. Because I can't picture someone on this forum without a definition for these terms Zinj...

 

[Zinjifar]

Then be so kind as to explain your intention behind those questions. Because I can't picture someone on this forum without a definition for these terms Zinj...

I'd say that it was quite obvious that you're aware of the meaning of 'service facsimile', but that, like many, you're loathe to recognize it in yourself, and only see it in others.

But, I was also suggesting that the term itself is a deliberate obfuscation by Hubbard of the jargonization of the terms 'rationalization' and 'excuse', because He was unable to control them and they're so transparently frequent in His own relationships.

So, maybe I'm 'cryptic', but, not 'covert'

Zinj

 

[Pascal]

I'd say that it was quite obvious that you're aware of the meaning of 'service facsimile', but that, like many, you're loathe to recognize it in yourself, and only see it in others.

But, I was also suggesting that the term itself is a deliberate obfuscation by Hubbard of the jargonization of the terms 'rationalization' and 'excuse', because He was unable to control them and they're so transparently frequent in His own relationships.

So, maybe I'm 'cryptic', but, not 'covert'

Zinj

So inval and now eval... You'd make quite an auditor.

 

[Zinjifar]

So inval and now eval... You'd make quite an auditor.

I may be the 'master of inval and eval', but, I'm certainly not an auditor.

Zinj

 

[bobo]

I think every facsimile is a service facsimile.

If every thetan was able to create and destroy a facsimile in an instant, there wouldnt be any mental masses.

B.

 

[Tanstaafl]

I think every facsimile is a service facsimile.

If every thetan was able to create and destroy a facsimile in an instant, there wouldnt be any mental masses.

B.

I agree with the 2nd para, nothwithstanding machinery and other paraphernalia. Can you expand on the 1st?

 

[bobo]

Can you expand on the 1st?

What could be an other function of a facsimile other than a service one.

B.

 

[Tanstaafl]

What could be an other function of a facsimile other than a service one.

B.

A simple compulsion set-up on an automaticity to record events?
A consideration that one needed facsimiles to remember?
Simply that thetans copy other thetans and it became "fashionable"?
That they were "pretty"?

A serv fac, as I understand it, is not stimulus-response. It is consciously employed by the thetan to make himself right, others wrong, etc.

Maybe early on the track all facsimiles were produced or re-created with this purpose in mind to some degree. But it has now got down to an automatic stimulus-response mechanism.

My dogs had mental masses. I viewed their reactive minds as low-scale survival machinery.

 

[Pascal]

A simple compulsion set-up on an automaticity to record events?
A consideration that one needed facsimiles to remember?
Simply that thetans copy other thetans and it became "fashionable"?
That they were "pretty"?

A serv fac, as I understand it, is not stimulus-response. It is consciously employed by the thetan to make himself right, others wrong, etc.

Maybe early on the track all facsimiles were produced or re-created with this purpose in mind to some degree. But it has now got down to an automatic stimulus-response mechanism.

My dogs had mental masses. I viewed their reactive minds as low-scale survival machinery.

Serfac... Sounds like holy water, garlic and cross. An old game beings played using masses with significances strewn into them. GPM would be basic on that. Any class VI in the house to comment?

 

[Krysti]

Kristi, do the purification rundown and read/use Self-Analysis by Hubbard. That will get you flying again. Did for me.

No thanks, Pascal. I've seen what it has done to you.

 

[Emma]

No thanks, Pascal. I've seen what it has done to you.

 

[Pascal]

No thanks, Pascal. I've seen what it has done to you.

Don't be a smartass.

You don't know jack about my life or how it has improved with Scientology.

I had a long way to go, granted. But I have been through a hell you could not even imagine.

 

[Krysti]

Don't be a smartass.

You don't know jack about my life or how it has improved with Scientology.

I had a long way to go, granted. But I have been through a hell you could not even imagine.

Actually, I do know a lot about your life. I am the 'Krysti' on the Topix forum and you have told us quite a bit over there.