Some notes on running OT III

[Dulloldfart]

"Lonesome Squirrel" proves that Fishman lies extensively.

Any testimony he gives is worthless, as you can only determine the veracity of any single point by checking it against that of someone credible.

Paul

 

[nw2394]

Today I got invited to an email list of standard techies in the FZ. I was very pleased because it allowed me to connect up again with some old friends - and - then - after reading a long diatribe about the merits of NOTs versus Ron's Org Excalibur - and about how Pierre Ethier is going to unite us all because only he has the (hidden) LRH refs (lord save us) - well I got an irresistable urge to post a link to this.

I been baaaaaad.

Nick

I guess it is time to put some truth out about OT3.

I was there when Hubbard was winding up his research (Las Palmas 67.)

We were the Sea Project, long before the Sea Org was created.

You have to understand the level of drugs Hubbard was on at the time. This was well after his cocaine and Phenobarbitone stuff of the 50's. He was heavily into barbituates, codene etc. He had a shore base called "Estrella", down the coast. I saw his pharmecutical store there, it was huge.

The original 3 materials were handwritten and photocopied backwards, so you had to hold them to a mirror to read them. I read them all when I was Chief of Advanced Courses on the ship. It was just like a 1050's science fiction story.

We had our first inkling of what was coming before we set sail fom the UK in April/May 67. Hubbard put out a confidential SP declare on one of our staff, John Laurence (former chaplain at St Hill). In it he stated that John was no longer the person we thought he was, having been taken over by another or other beings.

In Las Palmas Hubbard used to talk quite openly about his "research". He used to say that the main street in Gran Canaria was exactly like it was 75 million years ago, exact in every detail. He got some really funny looks from several members of the crew. I don't think there was more than a couple of members who bought into the story. In order to satisfy the rest of us he added a line about Loyal Officers. This was a clever move as it allowed us to simply say that we never got the implant as we were away at the time.

Outside the dockyard there was a church. On Feast Days (there were many) an evening service took place. It was dark and there was always a small crowd.

First there was a candle lit procession, followed by a loud bang, then a series of flashing lights, another procession came out from the church, led by men carrying poles on which figures of cherubs were mounted. Following this came a replica of the ark of the covenant, with a winged chariot on it. The procession traversed around the forecourt.All the time preyers were being said, led by a priest in long robes. Then firecrackers went off and the candles were extinguished, leaving the place in darkness as the processions re-entered the church.

Hubbard used to say that this was a replica of Inc 1. I wonder where he got the idea of Inc 1 from?

It is up to each person to decide for themselves if they wish to subscribe to the theory and story of OT3. I just thought that a bit of background info might help you to align your thoughts.

In case you are wondering whether any of this is true or not, ask Alan. He was there too.

 

[lionheart]

Today I got invited to an email list of standard techies in the FZ. I was very pleased because it allowed me to connect up again with some old friends - and - then - after reading a long diatribe about the merits of NOTs versus Ron's Org Excalibur - and about how Pierre Ethier is going to unite us all because only he has the (hidden) LRH refs (lord save us) - well I got an irresistable urge to post a link to this.

I been baaaaaad.

Nick

You done good! :wink2:

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Today I got invited to an email list of standard techies in the FZ. I was very pleased because it allowed me to connect up again with some old friends - and - then - after reading a long diatribe about the merits of NOTs versus Ron's Org Excalibur - and about how Pierre Ethier is going to unite us all because only he has the (hidden) LRH refs (lord save us) - well I got an irresistable urge to post a link to this.

I been baaaaaad.

Nick

MY GOD!

I hope you haven't set LR off again!


Mark A. Baker

 

[nw2394]

MY GOD!

I hope you haven't set LR off again!

I am afraid there is a serious risk. Actually I like LR - so I'll think we'll work out OK.

Nick

 

[a original angel]

Veda wrote:



All of Scientology performs the same general purpose that Veda describes above, but OT 3, with its pretense of exorcism, was probably the pinnacle of Hubbard's creative purpose.

When you can't see it, you just can't see it.

I fell and could be wrong that reactivity are emotions that derive from emotional attitudes. and so on
it may sound simplistic but to me emotions are indicators that give me perpective to be,ways to do manners to attain or have.
emotional scale was sold I fell by hubart to a individual that made the sedona method. you out to check it out it cost peanuts less than 100$ copy rights aply do. it does not go below the 0 as scientology it does not need to. but it really teach you about emotions and scales not rigged hope it help to me it did very specials things.
original angel

 

[Good twin]

"Lonesome Squirrel" proves that Fishman lies extensively.

Any testimony he gives is worthless, as you can only determine the veracity of any single point by checking it against that of someone credible.

Paul

Fishman was not taken seriously by Scientologists when he was "in". He was an illegal PC and bought every book and lecture he could get his hands on. He was bizarre, even by cult standards, from the beginning. He quite literally stole his 15 minutes of fame from the church.

 

[Human Again]

But gulping psychoactive plant extracts, whether ayahuasca or peyote, ain't the way to become more aware.
haiqu

Then why did Ron do it?

 

[HappyGirl]

Another approach would be to walk up to a large and aggressive-looking person and ask them to slap some sense into you.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[Challenge]

Not every one did. Only if it was reading and there was interest.

What???!

chlng

 

[Veda]

OT 3 is not "optional." That someone would assert the ridiculous lie that it's optional, is a testimony to the lingering effects of the mind f__k. Commodore Hubbard-era/Xenu Scientology makes liars out of good people, and fools out of smart people.

Three lectures by Hubbard, on the Class 8 course, concerning OT 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVqN4ivQ_TM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDKg5K3in8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6P4YV6CfI0

 

[a original angel]

I have some questions?

: Hi guys I have some questions?
And first let me state that I dint do no OT levels. I chose not to. so perhaps I'm out of my league and if so please say it.
First do let me declare that I'm free from overhelm as a spiritual being.And that make me perhaps O T|||. in my universe.perhaps not yours....
because of the above I have some questions which maybe you will care to answer for me as well as for other which may read this thread.
trumpet, chariot fire work. the entrance point? in this dimension not this universe. do because to me this universe is all there is in term of mater, energy, space, time.....
beginning of this game? yes. no ?
good questions at least to me...
how about origins? you have not mention any thing about it?
is it level OT 8..?
knowledge, understanding what is the self and what is one mind aloud the self, spirit to control, be, do, have.= OT powers.
tech auditing if it lead to this is good if it entrap the self to it is a waste of time...
Alan I tried to have a glimpse at you mind definition could not open the preview so I dont know what you wrote ?
heard do your fear of power tape good some what. do the EP give freedom from overwhelm? or is there more courses ?
any one care to comment about my post. or am I out of league for you all OTs and I do not mean any disrespect just curiosity do
love
original angel

 

[Veda]

Auditing comes in two main varieties. One is asking the person what is or has been, the other is telling the person what is or has been.

The 2nd (sometimes called "Implantology"), ideally, should result in the person being told the intimate contents of his/her own mind and/or space, and being also delighted, preferably with a floating Tone Arm on the e-meter. http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=77478&postcount=14

The justification for the "Implantology" levels of Scientlogy was that they removed the "final barrier to full OT." In the enthusiastic hope that this was IT, people opened their minds to these levels.

These levels have had 40 years to produce "full OTs" and have not.

That these levels appeared at the time that L. Ron Hubbard began implementing the basics of the booklet that he called the 'Brainwashing Manual' on his own followers is, IMO, something to consider. http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg

It's also noteworthy, IMO, that at the time when Scientology's founder started to become - drastically - less sane, these levels popped out of his mind and were fed - with great fanfare - into the minds of Scientologists. http://www.xenutv.com/int/shrinkingworld.htm

I still think the first variety of auditing has some validity; am not much interested in the second.

 

[Div6]

What???!

chlng

In context, this was re: the step of running OT III on self AFTER running the level. THAT step was not always done.

But the full III Rundown, including Millazo's and other cluster making incidents IS a part of the level. It COULD be taught and run without ever mentioning Xenu.

 

[Veda]

Xenu.

Pssst! Don't mention Xenu, and if you mention Xenu, I'll just laugh dismissively.

But what about L. Ron Hubbard's Incident 1 and Incident 2?

Pssst! Id rather you not mention Incident 1 and Incident 2!

But without Incident 1 and Incident 2, OT 3 wouldn't be OT 3.

Pssst. I know that, but it's bad PR. So be quiet. Someone might hear you.

But it's already on the Internet, so why keep B.Sing people?


You Scientologists sure are silly.

 

[Vinaire]

Auditing comes in two main varieties. One is asking the person what is or has been, the other is telling the person what is or has been.

The 2nd (sometimes called "Implantology"), ideally, should result in the person being told the intimate contents of his/her own mind and/or space, and being also delighted, preferably with a floating Tone Arm on the e-meter. http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=77478&postcount=14

The justification for the "Implantology" levels of Scientlogy was that they removed the "final barrier to full OT." In the enthusiastic hope that this was IT, people opened their minds to these levels.

These levels have had 40 years to produce "full OTs" and have not.

That these levels appeared at the time that L. Ron Hubbard began implementing the basics of the booklet that he called the 'Brainwashing Manual' on his own followers is, IMO, something to consider. http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg

It's also noteworthy, IMO, that at the time when Scientology's founder started to become - drastically - less sane, these levels popped out of his mind and were fed - with great fanfare - into the minds of Scientologists. http://www.xenutv.com/int/shrinkingworld.htm

I still think the first variety of auditing has some validity; am not much interested in the second.

I am impressed with the logic of this post... very convincing.

.

 

[Challenge]

In context, this was re: the step of running OT III on self AFTER running the level. THAT step was not always done.

But the full III Rundown, including Millazo's and other cluster making incidents IS a part of the level. It COULD be taught and run without ever mentioning Xenu.

I'm sorry , Veda, I lost track of the context. You are correct that running OT3 on Self after running the level is optional.

CHLNG

 

[Veda]

On OT 3, after agreeing that he/she is infested with thousands of (Incident 2) implanted Body Thetans, the person has the option of deciding that he/she - possibly by having been a "loyal officer" - didn't receive the latter part of Incident 2.

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=140413&postcount=36

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=142401&postcount=5

In Scientology, that's called "thinking for yourself."

 

[Operating DB]

OT 3 is a mind-trap, full of Hubbardian significance "absolutely vital to your survival," that uses the pretense of "exorcism" to put you at the effect of Hubbard - preferably for the rest of your life.

When it was released, years ago, it was supposed to eliminate the final barrier to full OT, and that's why some people allowed their minds to be violated by it, as it promised to be the final - albeit bizarre - step, before someone could just go off and do "Route One Drills."

E-meters are not truth detectors, and Hubbard, though he could be brilliant at times, was not an honest guru.

You are great and so sensible Veda! You are the perfect antidote to lrh's nonsense!

 

[Operating DB]

I once read OTIII (plus additional data which I have yet to see on the internet). I word cleared, I demoed the whole scenario and all of a sudden something incredible happened- something very powerful. A huge blue light poured out of my head- it flicked in and out for a few minutes and there was a holohraphic of a Marilyn Monroe type figure, looking very broken in a babydoll dress in the light. I stood up and got out of the chair and cannot describe how big I felt. The veil had been lifted.

This was whilst reading data critical of Scientology.

Allrighty then!