Sovereign spiritual beings - just a pie in the sky dream?
- Thread starter Veda
- Start date
Udarnik
Gold Meritorious Patron
An evil or a worthy objective?
Or just an ego trip?
If there is, as some suggest, a huge heavenly bureaucracy that controls, oversees, and guides humans after physical death, aren't we little more than slaves?
Would it be nice to be able to tell that heavenly bureaucracy, "No thanks, I don't want your control or your guidance, I'm sovereign."
If no, for those spiritually inclined, are you happy with the prospect of being a (perhaps "happy") slave to this heavenly bureaucracy for the indefinite future?
Scientology promised sovereignty too, but betrayed its followers.
Is this a goal worth working towards?
Or just foolish idea?
You know I don't buy into ANY of religion's or spirituality's happy horse shit, but let's play along here.
This sounds suspiciously like the right wing sovereign citizen bullshit. The reason it's bullshit from the right wing is that someone paid for their education (didn't get their money's worth, but still...
), someone paid for the HTSB that makes sure their car doesn't go boom, someone paid for the fucking roads they drive on and the USDA that makes sure they don't live in Upton Sinclair's world, and someone paid for the police that keeps their smarter countrymen from murdering them in their sleep, much as they would not be missed.So if there is some celestial, spiritual "pathway" out there, who paved it? And don't you owe them something for that?
You don't want to end your spiritual journey in the heavenly equivalent of a car wreck involving a dog, a jar of pot, some crude explosives, a couple of AK-47s, a massive load of ammo and three dozen chickens...
Elronius of Marcabia
Silver Meritorious Patron
An evil or a worthy objective?
Or just an ego trip?
If there is, as some suggest, a huge heavenly bureaucracy that controls, oversees, and guides humans after physical death, aren't we little more than slaves?
Would it be nice to be able to tell that heavenly bureaucracy, "No thanks, I don't want your control or your guidance, I'm sovereign."
If no, for those spiritually inclined, are you happy with the prospect of being a (perhaps "happy") slave to this heavenly bureaucracy for the indefinite future?
Scientology promised sovereignty too, but betrayed its followers.
Is this a goal worth working towards?
Or just foolish idea?
My rules are simple in my land, I make no contracts with gods or demi gods and I only
play with those who have skin in the game
I only take what is mine and owe it to no one person or group or thing, whether carnate or incarnate
mortal or immortal.
i will pass in darkness or light and accept that which is mine and I have earned and taken
which is my sovereign right neither granted or given save myself
Something to that effect Veda ?
Veda
Sponsor
Something like that Elronius.
"Man doth not yield himself to the angels, nor unto death utterly, save only through his feeble will."
Joseph Glanvill
[video=youtube;ZE9KWU-ntBk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE9KWU-ntBk#t=16[/video]
A Few Comments on Reincarnation
Benjamin Franklin:
"I look upon death to be as necessary to the constitution as sleep. We
shall rise refreshed in the morning."
"And, finding myself to exist in the world, I believe I shall, in some
shape or other always exist."
Jack London, author, best known for book "Call of the Wild":
"I did not begin when I was born, nor when I was conceived. I have been
growing, developing, through incalculable myriads of millenniums. All
my previous selves have their voices, echoes, promptings in me. Oh,
incalculable times again shall I be born."
Mark Twain:
"I have been born more times than anybody except Krishna."
Leo Tolstoy:
"As we live through thousands of dreams in our present life, so is our
present life only one of many thousands of such lives which we enter
from the other more real life and then return after death. Our life is
but one of the dreams of that more real life, and so it is endlessly,
until the very last one, the very real the life of God."
Henry Ford:
"I adopted the theory of reincarnation when I was 26. Genius is
experience. Some think to seem that it is a gift or talent, but it is
the fruit of long experience in many lives".
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, (German poet, playwright and scientist):
"As long as you are not aware of the continual law of Die and Be Again,
you are merely a vague guest on a dark Earth."
Freidrich Nietzsche:
"Live so that thou mayest desire to live again - that is thy duty - for
in any case thou wilt live again!"
Mahatma Gandhi:
"I cannot think of permanent enmity between man and man, and believing
as I do in the theory of reincarnation, I live in the hope that if not
in this birth, in some other birth I shall be able to hug all of
humanity in friendly embrace."
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
"The soul comes from without into the human body, as into a temporary
abode, and it goes out of it anew it passes into other habitations, for
the soul is immortal."
"It is the secret of the world that all things subsist and do not die, but only retire a little from sight and afterwards return again.
Nothing is dead; men feign themselves dead, and endure mock funerals and there they stand looking out of the window, sound and well, in some strange new disguise."
General George S. Patton:
"So as through a glass and darkly, the age long strife I see, Where I
fought in many guises, many names, but always me."
Albert Schweitzer:
"Reincarnation contains a most comforting explanation of reality by
means of which Indian thought surmounts difficulties which baffle the
thinkers of Europe."
Walt Whitman:
"I know I am deathless. No doubt I have died myself ten thousand times
before. I laugh at what you call dissolution, and I know the amplitude
of time."
William Wordsworth:
"Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting; The Soul that rises with
us, our life's Star, Hath had elsewhere its setting. And cometh from
afar."
Jalalu Rumi (Islamic Poet of the 13th century):
"I died as a mineral and became a plant, I died as a plant and rose to
animal, I died as animal and I was man. Why should I fear ? When was I
less by dying?"
Carl Jung:
"My life often seemed to me like a story that has no beginning and no
end. I had the feeling that I was an historical fragment, an excerpt
for which the preceding and succeeding text was missing. I could well
imagine that I might have lived in former centuries and there
encountered questions I was not yet able to answer; that I had been
born again because I had not fulfilled the task given to me."
Henry David Thoreau:
"Why should we be startled by death? Life is a constant putting off of
the mortal coil - coat, cuticle, flesh and bones, all old clothes."
Socrates:
"I am confident that there truly is such a thing as living again, that
the living spring from the dead, and that the souls of the dead are in
existence."
Voltaire:
"It is not more surprising to be born twice than once; everything in
nature is resurrection."
Josephus (most well known Jewish historian from the time of Jesus):
"All pure and holy spirits live on in heavenly places, and in course of
time they are again sent down to inhabit righteous bodies."
Honore Balzac (French writer):
"All human beings go through a previous life... Who knows how many
fleshly forms the heir of heaven occupies before he can be brought to
understand the value of that silence and solitude of spiritual worlds?"
Arthur Schopenhauer (Philosopher):
"Were an Asiatic to ask me for a definition of Europe, I should be
forced to answer him: It is that part of the world which is haunted by
the incredible delusion that man was created out of nothing, and that
his present birth is his first entrance into life."
Paul Gauguin (French post-impressionist painter):
"When the physical organism breaks up, the soul survives. It then takes
on another body."
Pythagoras:
Among the ancient Greeks, reincarnation was a doctrine closely
associated with the followers of the philosopher and mathematician
Pythagoras. According to Pythagorean teaching, the soul survives
physical death.
After a series of reincarnations each one following a period of psychic
cleansing in spiritual environments the soul becomes free eternally from
the cycle of reincarnations.
Excerpt from 'The Act of Creation' by Arthur Koestler:
"At the age of twenty-two, he [Benjamin Franklin] composed a Pythagorean epitaph for himself; at the age of eighty-four, the year of his death, he ordered that it should appear, unchanged, on his tomb. It reads:
The Body
Of
Benjamin Franklin
Printer
(Like the Cover of an Old Book
Its Contents Torn Out
And stript of its Lettering and Gilding)
Lies Here, Food for Worms.
But the Work Shall Not Be Lost
For It Will (As He Believed) Appear Once More
In a New and More Elegant Edition
Revised and Corrected
By
The Author
Last edited:
degraded being
Sponsor
"Man doth not yield himself to the angels, nor unto death utterly, save only through his feeble will."
Joseph Glanvill
[video=youtube;ZE9KWU-ntBk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE9KWU-ntBk#t=16[/video]
A Few Comments on Reincarnation
Benjamin Franklin:
"I look upon death to be as necessary to the constitution as sleep. We
shall rise refreshed in the morning."
"And, finding myself to exist in the world, I believe I shall, in some
shape or other always exist."
Jack London, author, best known for book "Call of the Wild":
"I did not begin when I was born, nor when I was conceived. I have been
growing, developing, through incalculable myriads of millenniums. All
my previous selves have their voices, echoes, promptings in me. Oh,
incalculable times again shall I be born."
Mark Twain:
"I have been born more times than anybody except Krishna."
Leo Tolstoy:
"As we live through thousands of dreams in our present life, so is our
present life only one of many thousands of such lives which we enter
from the other more real life and then return after death. Our life is
but one of the dreams of that more real life, and so it is endlessly,
until the very last one, the very real the life of God."
Henry Ford:
"I adopted the theory of reincarnation when I was 26. Genius is
experience. Some think to seem that it is a gift or talent, but it is
the fruit of long experience in many lives".
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, (German poet, playwright and scientist):
"As long as you are not aware of the continual law of Die and Be Again,
you are merely a vague guest on a dark Earth."
Freidrich Nietzsche:
"Live so that thou mayest desire to live again - that is thy duty - for
in any case thou wilt live again!"
Mahatma Gandhi:
"I cannot think of permanent enmity between man and man, and believing
as I do in the theory of reincarnation, I live in the hope that if not
in this birth, in some other birth I shall be able to hug all of
humanity in friendly embrace."
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
"The soul comes from without into the human body, as into a temporary
abode, and it goes out of it anew it passes into other habitations, for
the soul is immortal."
"It is the secret of the world that all things subsist and do not die, but only retire a little from sight and afterwards return again.
Nothing is dead; men feign themselves dead, and endure mock funerals and there they stand looking out of the window, sound and well, in some strange new disguise."
General George S. Patton:
"So as through a glass and darkly, the age long strife I see, Where I
fought in many guises, many names, but always me."
Albert Schweitzer:
"Reincarnation contains a most comforting explanation of reality by
means of which Indian thought surmounts difficulties which baffle the
thinkers of Europe."
Walt Whitman:
"I know I am deathless. No doubt I have died myself ten thousand times
before. I laugh at what you call dissolution, and I know the amplitude
of time."
William Wordsworth:
"Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting; The Soul that rises with
us, our life's Star, Hath had elsewhere its setting. And cometh from
afar."
Jalalu Rumi (Islamic Poet of the 13th century):
"I died as a mineral and became a plant, I died as a plant and rose to
animal, I died as animal and I was man. Why should I fear ? When was I
less by dying?"
Carl Jung:
"My life often seemed to me like a story that has no beginning and no
end. I had the feeling that I was an historical fragment, an excerpt
for which the preceding and succeeding text was missing. I could well
imagine that I might have lived in former centuries and there
encountered questions I was not yet able to answer; that I had been
born again because I had not fulfilled the task given to me."
Henry David Thoreau:
"Why should we be startled by death? Life is a constant putting off of
the mortal coil - coat, cuticle, flesh and bones, all old clothes."
Socrates:
"I am confident that there truly is such a thing as living again, that
the living spring from the dead, and that the souls of the dead are in
existence."
Voltaire:
"It is not more surprising to be born twice than once; everything in
nature is resurrection."
Josephus (most well known Jewish historian from the time of Jesus):
"All pure and holy spirits live on in heavenly places, and in course of
time they are again sent down to inhabit righteous bodies."
Honore Balzac (French writer):
"All human beings go through a previous life... Who knows how many
fleshly forms the heir of heaven occupies before he can be brought to
understand the value of that silence and solitude of spiritual worlds?"
Arthur Schopenhauer (Philosopher):
"Were an Asiatic to ask me for a definition of Europe, I should be
forced to answer him: It is that part of the world which is haunted by
the incredible delusion that man was created out of nothing, and that
his present birth is his first entrance into life."
Paul Gauguin (French post-impressionist painter):
"When the physical organism breaks up, the soul survives. It then takes
on another body."
Pythagoras:
Among the ancient Greeks, reincarnation was a doctrine closely
associated with the followers of the philosopher and mathematician
Pythagoras. According to Pythagorean teaching, the soul survives
physical death.
After a series of reincarnations each one following a period of psychic
cleansing in spiritual environments the soul becomes free eternally from
the cycle of reincarnations.
Excerpt from 'The Act of Creation' by Arthur Koestler:
"At the age of twenty-two, he [Benjamin Franklin] composed a Pythagorean epitaph for himself; at the age of eighty-four, the year of his death, he ordered that it should appear, unchanged, on his tomb. It reads:
The Body
Of
Benjamin Franklin
Printer
(Like the Cover of an Old Book
Its Contents Torn Out
And stript of its Lettering and Gilding)
Lies Here, Food for Worms.
But the Work Shall Not Be Lost
For It Will (As He Believed) Appear Once More
In a New and More Elegant Edition
Revised and Corrected
By
The Author
What are the comments on reincarnation for?
Hatshepsut
Crusader
My wall.
degraded being
Sponsor
You can have them.
Hatshepsut
Crusader
I've long been a fan of just about everybody on that list. Hell, if they'd each had their own recipe for oatmeal cookies I'd put that up.
http://youtu.be/XmVhUKOyKb4
Similar threads
