Species Story .. to OTIV and back to earth ... part 1
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Species8472
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Yes the beginning stuff is very helpful, especially if you are in a rut at the time they get you - I'm sure a lot of it is the very individual attention you get - new people get a lot of attention, and there is no mention of clearing the planet and contributing $1000s to the IAS - you come across the occasional LRH reference alluding to such, but its unreal - so much of what he said in lectures is in a conversational jokey style, that you're really not sure if its meant to be taken seriously. So certainly at the beginning I didn't take a lot of that stuff seriously at all.
And just like an Alabama Preacher, with his Bible - its easy to find something to support anything you want to say from the works of LRH, if you look hard enough and take it out of context.
Species8472
Patron with Honors
Part 4
So where was I... Yes blew the PRO-TRs course on the 2-hr confront. So I think summer 1993 I'd split up with my 'wog' gilfriend - it just didn't work out. I'd got a small appartment and my little sister had come to the big city. She was sleeping on the couch, keeping the place tidy, and looking for a job, but I liked having her there. I'd left for university when she was only a kid and now she'd all grow'd up an makin her way in the world. !!! But here comes My worst decision ever !!! She was having a few emotional problems - probably from leaving home, friends, and getting rejections looking for work. I took her to the Org. (single bell tolls slowly and mournfully) - She did the test - came out a lot better than me - several points above the line, and got Regged for the communication course. I had a brief re-introduction to the staffers I knew. It was all smiles - and why don't you finish your course - it was probably just out-gradient - many reasonable sounding explanations - nothing to suggest I would be in any trouble at all. The ethics officer wasn't there at the time, but I came back in when my sister started, did a brief program saying I was PTS to my ex, but it was all handled, because I'd already disconnected, and I was back on-lines again - my sister was there too in div 6. We'd go in together in the evenings, and she'd be waiting for me when I finished in the Academy. Well she did get a job - she was persuaded to sign up for a 5-year stint at the Org. She made a brief appearance in the Academy doing Staff-Status courses, during which time we never got to speak, Then she moved in with one of the other staff-members. It had all happened so fast. I was annoyed, and perhaps over-protective but could find no way to express it. Later that year, when she didn't come home to our parents for thanksgiving I really got berated by our brother for letting this happen. - but I'm jumping ahead. The next significant happening was the "WAR IS OVER" IAS event - big screen feature presentation - the church had gotten its tax investigation with the IRS cancelled AND got religious recognition, everyone was a whoopin and a hollerin and I became aware that the Church was much bigger than I'd ever thought it was. There were lots of people there I'd never met before I never knew just how many people this small class V Org could get out to an event. The Academy was usually less than 10 bodies at any one time - and probably half were staff - but there were hundreds at this event - I heard all sorts of stories about how "this is it - we can get on with clearing the planet now" - "4th dynamic suppression is lifted" The mood was very much lighter and everyone seemed fired up to get on with the next tast - I'm sure 4 targets for releasing OTIX and OTX were mentioned and this win was one of the targets DONE
That was the first time I'd experienced the standing ovation to a video screen - what's all that about - but you just go along with it because otherwise you stand out. My sister was doing surveys at the event - she seemed completed enraptured by the whole thing. I remeber thinking she was gone - in the druggie sense that the 'rush' had started and you weren't gonna get any sense out of her.
Meanwhile I'm slowly progressing through my courses - I'd got through the 2 hour confront on TRs and the Clay Table Processing - which was supposed to be like an auditing grade in itself - and I'm on Upper InDoc - Where you get to use your intention to make things happen. there was even a film where after doing the upper indoc a guy can just communicate his intention to the waitress without speaking. Who are those people in the films - are they still in, are any of them on this forum. And that original TRs film - its just brilliant - the one with the 1970s costumes, tight tops, wide collars - everyone said I looked like one of them - must have been my big hair.
So Thanksgiving 1993 - my brother and I have this almighty bust-up because I've let my sister join this cult and he knows all about them - and don't you remeber Waco - these people are dangerous. He also heard from someone that LRH got convicted for fraud in France, and his wife went to jail. My dad's basically on his side - they've not heard from her for 3 months, and she's not home for thanksgiving dinner. My mom's keeping quiet, but occasionally puts in that they seemed to have helped me a lot - she never really knew (or didn't want to know) my drug history - but now I've got a proper job and I'm earning and I'm not asking them for money, and I'm not so thin and I'm looking healthier - she points all this out, and calms things down a bit. But things are a bit tense for the rest of the weekend, and I spend most of the time playing with my nephews - whilst dad and big bro sink the beers.
When I get back I mention this to my sister, and suddenly I've got to do this huge ethics handling to do. My sister's got a program too, but she's effectively blaming me for causing the sit - she wasn't there. I get pulled off my course, because ethics has to be handled before tech. I'm writing up O/Ws and reading references, getting a meter check, write up more O/Ws all this. In response to the Black PR I'd heard I was told unequivocably "LRH Never went to France", and given some BS about Mary Sue working to expose the government suppression, and thats why she went to jail. They also wanted to know about my brother, where had he heard this data, what did he do - and as he worked for a defense contractor - this showed he was probably an SP - I was shown a reference was told he may as well have been in covert Ops for the CIA. I just bought this. I had to do a handle or disconnect from my brother. I chose a handling. Such a big thing was made of this, that I was reluctant to get in contact with him at all. Normally I'd just have phoned him up and made some apologetic noises, but now, after all the fuss that had been made over this at the Org, I had back-off. Eventually I make the phone call, and its like nothing ever happened - its just my brother - there is no problem - hey we argued, we're cool now - "Just get your sister to call mom & dad" - He summed up and solved the only problem there ever was - I then try to handle him on the Black PR - I told him the line, LRH had never been to France, and who told him that anyway - He's just "I'm not getting into it with you - its just that cult talking". I never mentioned to my ethics handler that he's used the C-word - just reported that he's fine and we had made up. But I was torn, I'd always respected my brother - he's only a year and a half older - we were close as kids - but now I was being told to disregard his opinon - he was wrong - worse he was possibly an enemy. My sister did a great handling with my folks though - she went back at Christmas - made a great fuss of them, told them how wonderful life was, how she was doing well. Neither me nor my brother went that xmas - he used to alternate xmas/thanksgiving with his wifes family. We never fully made up until I'd "seen the light" (as he put it - mocking one of those tv evangelists) about 3 years ago.
And after all this - I was routed onto the PTS/SP course - halfway through upper Indoc, that gets put on hold while I do this other course - another $500. I'd agreed to buy this because of the usual tactic - much talk, late into the evening, how it would arm me against any future PTSness - how this kind of sit would keep happening unless I did the course, and I wanted to go home, and how the course was 'the most beautiful piece of tech given to us by Ron', and they just wouldn't stop! - and all kinds of crap. I didn't pay for it then and there, I just agreed to buy it. Then when it came time to pay I told them I'd CHANGED MY MIND - I didn't need this course, I'd handled my brother - I just needed to get back onto upper Indoc. Big mistake - the reg was furious, and a couple of others came in for the berating session that followed. it was all "you can't go back on your word", "that's your integrity shot", "we have an agreement", "totally irresponsible". they wern't exactly shouting, but they were swearing - I was really made to feel like shit. What could I do - I paid them the $500.
To round it off - these things coming in 3's, My boss at work passed some comment on cults - Jonestown, Bhagwanis, and Waco - which was still in the news on and off - he just lumped all of them in with Scientology. They were all nut-jobs and the world would be better off without them. I kept quiet about that one in the Org, and at work I was beginning to feel suppressed. I hadn't told anyone at work that I was a Scientologist. Of course all of this was caused by the cult policies which were wierd. Why should it matter if someone says your group is a bunch of nut-jobs. It wouln't bother me if he had said the Tigers were a bunch of nut-jobs - but I'm not all that into sport, and I wasn't really all that into Scientology as a religion. It wasn't something I felt the need to defend at that point. I was in it for me, I was going to go Clear, I was going to be a much better person, much more able. To me it didn't matter what others thought.
Oh and guess what - I came across a photo of LRH in Paris with the Arc-de-Triumph in the background. I was learning how to hold 2 pieces of contradictory data as simultaneously true - another trick that comes with Scientology.
Even though I've done OT IV and I've run out all those upsets in session, I still get a sense of sadness and regret going over those bust-ups with my dad and brother.
More soon ...
So where was I... Yes blew the PRO-TRs course on the 2-hr confront. So I think summer 1993 I'd split up with my 'wog' gilfriend - it just didn't work out. I'd got a small appartment and my little sister had come to the big city. She was sleeping on the couch, keeping the place tidy, and looking for a job, but I liked having her there. I'd left for university when she was only a kid and now she'd all grow'd up an makin her way in the world. !!! But here comes My worst decision ever !!! She was having a few emotional problems - probably from leaving home, friends, and getting rejections looking for work. I took her to the Org. (single bell tolls slowly and mournfully) - She did the test - came out a lot better than me - several points above the line, and got Regged for the communication course. I had a brief re-introduction to the staffers I knew. It was all smiles - and why don't you finish your course - it was probably just out-gradient - many reasonable sounding explanations - nothing to suggest I would be in any trouble at all. The ethics officer wasn't there at the time, but I came back in when my sister started, did a brief program saying I was PTS to my ex, but it was all handled, because I'd already disconnected, and I was back on-lines again - my sister was there too in div 6. We'd go in together in the evenings, and she'd be waiting for me when I finished in the Academy. Well she did get a job - she was persuaded to sign up for a 5-year stint at the Org. She made a brief appearance in the Academy doing Staff-Status courses, during which time we never got to speak, Then she moved in with one of the other staff-members. It had all happened so fast. I was annoyed, and perhaps over-protective but could find no way to express it. Later that year, when she didn't come home to our parents for thanksgiving I really got berated by our brother for letting this happen. - but I'm jumping ahead. The next significant happening was the "WAR IS OVER" IAS event - big screen feature presentation - the church had gotten its tax investigation with the IRS cancelled AND got religious recognition, everyone was a whoopin and a hollerin and I became aware that the Church was much bigger than I'd ever thought it was. There were lots of people there I'd never met before I never knew just how many people this small class V Org could get out to an event. The Academy was usually less than 10 bodies at any one time - and probably half were staff - but there were hundreds at this event - I heard all sorts of stories about how "this is it - we can get on with clearing the planet now" - "4th dynamic suppression is lifted" The mood was very much lighter and everyone seemed fired up to get on with the next tast - I'm sure 4 targets for releasing OTIX and OTX were mentioned and this win was one of the targets DONE
That was the first time I'd experienced the standing ovation to a video screen - what's all that about - but you just go along with it because otherwise you stand out. My sister was doing surveys at the event - she seemed completed enraptured by the whole thing. I remeber thinking she was gone - in the druggie sense that the 'rush' had started and you weren't gonna get any sense out of her.
Meanwhile I'm slowly progressing through my courses - I'd got through the 2 hour confront on TRs and the Clay Table Processing - which was supposed to be like an auditing grade in itself - and I'm on Upper InDoc - Where you get to use your intention to make things happen. there was even a film where after doing the upper indoc a guy can just communicate his intention to the waitress without speaking. Who are those people in the films - are they still in, are any of them on this forum. And that original TRs film - its just brilliant - the one with the 1970s costumes, tight tops, wide collars - everyone said I looked like one of them - must have been my big hair.
So Thanksgiving 1993 - my brother and I have this almighty bust-up because I've let my sister join this cult and he knows all about them - and don't you remeber Waco - these people are dangerous. He also heard from someone that LRH got convicted for fraud in France, and his wife went to jail. My dad's basically on his side - they've not heard from her for 3 months, and she's not home for thanksgiving dinner. My mom's keeping quiet, but occasionally puts in that they seemed to have helped me a lot - she never really knew (or didn't want to know) my drug history - but now I've got a proper job and I'm earning and I'm not asking them for money, and I'm not so thin and I'm looking healthier - she points all this out, and calms things down a bit. But things are a bit tense for the rest of the weekend, and I spend most of the time playing with my nephews - whilst dad and big bro sink the beers.
When I get back I mention this to my sister, and suddenly I've got to do this huge ethics handling to do. My sister's got a program too, but she's effectively blaming me for causing the sit - she wasn't there. I get pulled off my course, because ethics has to be handled before tech. I'm writing up O/Ws and reading references, getting a meter check, write up more O/Ws all this. In response to the Black PR I'd heard I was told unequivocably "LRH Never went to France", and given some BS about Mary Sue working to expose the government suppression, and thats why she went to jail. They also wanted to know about my brother, where had he heard this data, what did he do - and as he worked for a defense contractor - this showed he was probably an SP - I was shown a reference was told he may as well have been in covert Ops for the CIA. I just bought this. I had to do a handle or disconnect from my brother. I chose a handling. Such a big thing was made of this, that I was reluctant to get in contact with him at all. Normally I'd just have phoned him up and made some apologetic noises, but now, after all the fuss that had been made over this at the Org, I had back-off. Eventually I make the phone call, and its like nothing ever happened - its just my brother - there is no problem - hey we argued, we're cool now - "Just get your sister to call mom & dad" - He summed up and solved the only problem there ever was - I then try to handle him on the Black PR - I told him the line, LRH had never been to France, and who told him that anyway - He's just "I'm not getting into it with you - its just that cult talking". I never mentioned to my ethics handler that he's used the C-word - just reported that he's fine and we had made up. But I was torn, I'd always respected my brother - he's only a year and a half older - we were close as kids - but now I was being told to disregard his opinon - he was wrong - worse he was possibly an enemy. My sister did a great handling with my folks though - she went back at Christmas - made a great fuss of them, told them how wonderful life was, how she was doing well. Neither me nor my brother went that xmas - he used to alternate xmas/thanksgiving with his wifes family. We never fully made up until I'd "seen the light" (as he put it - mocking one of those tv evangelists) about 3 years ago.
And after all this - I was routed onto the PTS/SP course - halfway through upper Indoc, that gets put on hold while I do this other course - another $500. I'd agreed to buy this because of the usual tactic - much talk, late into the evening, how it would arm me against any future PTSness - how this kind of sit would keep happening unless I did the course, and I wanted to go home, and how the course was 'the most beautiful piece of tech given to us by Ron', and they just wouldn't stop! - and all kinds of crap. I didn't pay for it then and there, I just agreed to buy it. Then when it came time to pay I told them I'd CHANGED MY MIND - I didn't need this course, I'd handled my brother - I just needed to get back onto upper Indoc. Big mistake - the reg was furious, and a couple of others came in for the berating session that followed. it was all "you can't go back on your word", "that's your integrity shot", "we have an agreement", "totally irresponsible". they wern't exactly shouting, but they were swearing - I was really made to feel like shit. What could I do - I paid them the $500.
To round it off - these things coming in 3's, My boss at work passed some comment on cults - Jonestown, Bhagwanis, and Waco - which was still in the news on and off - he just lumped all of them in with Scientology. They were all nut-jobs and the world would be better off without them. I kept quiet about that one in the Org, and at work I was beginning to feel suppressed. I hadn't told anyone at work that I was a Scientologist. Of course all of this was caused by the cult policies which were wierd. Why should it matter if someone says your group is a bunch of nut-jobs. It wouln't bother me if he had said the Tigers were a bunch of nut-jobs - but I'm not all that into sport, and I wasn't really all that into Scientology as a religion. It wasn't something I felt the need to defend at that point. I was in it for me, I was going to go Clear, I was going to be a much better person, much more able. To me it didn't matter what others thought.
Oh and guess what - I came across a photo of LRH in Paris with the Arc-de-Triumph in the background. I was learning how to hold 2 pieces of contradictory data as simultaneously true - another trick that comes with Scientology.
Even though I've done OT IV and I've run out all those upsets in session, I still get a sense of sadness and regret going over those bust-ups with my dad and brother.
More soon ...
Tiger Lily
Gold Meritorious Patron
I remember getting jacked around like that too -- being pulled off one action for another, more needed one.
I can appreciate the analagy to a drug high -- once somebody gets to that point in Scn they've bought in, and there's not much you can do. I remember being there, and I remember seeing it in others.
That's gotta be so hard when it tears into your family like that. . . I'm waiting for the next part so I can find out if your sister ever got away from their clutches.
Great story, keep it coming!
-TL
I can appreciate the analagy to a drug high -- once somebody gets to that point in Scn they've bought in, and there's not much you can do. I remember being there, and I remember seeing it in others.
That's gotta be so hard when it tears into your family like that. . . I'm waiting for the next part so I can find out if your sister ever got away from their clutches.
Great story, keep it coming!
-TL
Wisened One
Crusader
More soon....More soon....
clamicide
Gold Meritorious Patron
PTS insanity
The less and less numb I become, the more it hits me how crazy all these PTS handlings, like the ones you describe, are. Everybody is SO focused on the 'sit', that the real people and the real lives get completely lost in the picture. Looking forward to reading more from you.
The less and less numb I become, the more it hits me how crazy all these PTS handlings, like the ones you describe, are. Everybody is SO focused on the 'sit', that the real people and the real lives get completely lost in the picture. Looking forward to reading more from you.
Woggin' out
Patron with Honors
Oh goodie, another GREAT story to sink my teeth into!! Moar please.......
Species8472
Patron with Honors
Part 5:
The more I write the more detail comes back. It wasn't all bad, and I'm not especially picking out bad stuff to write about - just what comes to mind when I'm remembering. - Here's another part - covering I think 1994 Still pre-GAT.
PTS/SP course. On this course you learn all about Hubbards PTS (= potential trouble source) and SP (= suppressive person) technology. - In brief - here are the main points.
1) SP's can be identified by having a majority of 12 characteristics defined by Hubbard - and Non SPs (a Social Personality) is identified by not having a majority of those 12.
2) Further an SP will not get any gains from Hubbards work - because they are incapable of helping or being helped.
3) A PTS person is identified by a few characteristics such as being sick, making mistakes, roller-coastering (= making case gain and then losing it)
4) If any bad shit goes down, and if affects you - you are PTS - and have to do a Search and Discovery - to identify the SP in your vicinity.
5) There are 4 types of PTS - Type 1 = connected to an SP who is actively suppressing them in present time, Type 2 - where they are no longer connected to the SP, but their past suppression is causing the problem, Type-3 - Where the person is effectively insane - his bank is suppressing him, he sees conspiracies everywhere (the drunken hobo having a fight with himself was the example given to me - verbal tech I know) and Type-A - the most commonly encountered type - the PTS person is connected to an Anti-Scientologist.
Additionally I had to buy a set of tapes for this course - another $200
On Academy training, Meters, PCs etc etc
What TRs and Upper Indoc (I'll generically refer to these as TRs) teach you is not to get stopped, not to get deviated from your path. It can be a valuable thing, and I'm sure I used these new skills to get my self a new job in an insurance company, and get promoted. I was now a claims manager - which is insurance speak for someone who goes over your claim in fine detail looking for inconsistencies and ways to avoid paying up, I got to go out the office and visit client premises too, and this gave me an excuse to miss my scientology courses in the evenings many times more than I actually had to work late.. They demanded I give up time at the weekend to catch up, but I after going in once or twice I was firm about refusing that too!
So my TRs allowed me to truly interview clients about their insurance claims, and get a handle on whether they were lying or concealing anything. It made me a good employee from the insurance company's point of view - but not if you were exaggerating your claim.
Hubbards TRs can be a valuable skill for anyone to have in life - however they are abused inside the Church. Take TR8 - thats the shouting at an ashtray drill. Some people get completely the wrong end of the stick, and think its about trying to move the ashtray with your mind - no its not - its about conditioning you to shout in order to get yourself obeyed - you have to physically get hold of the ashtray to make it move. Its about being able to shout, and not lose your temper - but use shouting as a weapon against other people. To start with you find yourself getting nervous or angry when shouting really loud, that 'button' is stamped on, by more shouting, until you're completely fine with it. You also learn what effect shouting can have on others - it definitely puts them ill at ease, wrong-footing them and causing them to make mistakes. When a Scientology exec shouts at you know this - he is not angry and he is not out of control, he may appear so, but its a cold and calculated way of getting his will done.
The stated purpose of TRs is to make sure the auditor controls the PC in session - enabling him to direct the PCs attention at difficult memories, despite the PC wishing to give up, until the process is finished.
And I nearly had to buy tapes for this course too - they would have been really expensive, but luckily my sisters new boyfriend (some exec post, the HAS or HCO Exec or something) had a set and I got to borrow his.
After Upper Indoc I moved on to the real Academy levels - there was no metering course in those days. So it was straight on to Academy Level Zero. I was looking forward to this, because this should be where my Bridge started - I'd get assigned a twin and we'd co-audit to Clear. That was the theory, and at this stage, I still had faith in it.
This (Level 0) was a bit of a monster course - thick course pack, loads of introductory stuff about auditing, tone scale, loads of books and lectures, and I needed to buy an E-Meter. I had a new job with more money, and I now had credit cards - I got the books and lectures and later the E-Meter ( a wooden box mark 5 - about $15 worth of electronic components and a wooden box for $2000. )
Some of the communication drills on this level are very useful to the mind-control aspect of the cult. You are taught how to quickly assess the emotional tone of a person, how to mimic that emotional tone - and find things that the person agrees with - If he's ranting on about traffic cops and parking restrictions - then you talk to him antagonistically about similar subjects - and - here's the important bit - agree with anything non-destructive that he says - e.g. "Traffic cops are just walking over our freedom, they're a menace to the city and we should beat the crap out of them" - so you say "Yeah you're right - they're just walking over our freedoms - and you got it on the nail - they sure are a menace" - Its all a matter of control over communication - If you can really get this properly and be quick thinking enough to put it into practise - then its a useful tool for the individual in life - but essential for the successful registrar.
Later I was to discover these techniques are used extensively in regging the public for more cash, regging people to join staff, regging the city authorities to do their bidding, dealing with just about anyone who they wanted to exert some control over.. This is the degree of intimacy that a well-trained scientologist can get with someone - They are not really your friend - they have trained long and hard on how to appear to be friendly, to gain your trust and become someone who you believe in - this all a is part of suspending your critical faculties.
The training doesn't work on everyone - some in the academy do it and come out the other side as disagreeable a Grinch as they were to start with. And using your communication techniques doesn't work on everyone either - however anyone it doesn't work on can safely be called an SP. - Logic I'm trying to help people, you don't agree with me, SPs cant help people - QED you must be an SP. I think there's a name for this A=B, B=C therefore A=C type of logic - of course its completely wrong outside of engineering and mathematics (and possibly wrong in some applications there too)
Enough for today.
The more I write the more detail comes back. It wasn't all bad, and I'm not especially picking out bad stuff to write about - just what comes to mind when I'm remembering. - Here's another part - covering I think 1994 Still pre-GAT.
PTS/SP course. On this course you learn all about Hubbards PTS (= potential trouble source) and SP (= suppressive person) technology. - In brief - here are the main points.
1) SP's can be identified by having a majority of 12 characteristics defined by Hubbard - and Non SPs (a Social Personality) is identified by not having a majority of those 12.
2) Further an SP will not get any gains from Hubbards work - because they are incapable of helping or being helped.
3) A PTS person is identified by a few characteristics such as being sick, making mistakes, roller-coastering (= making case gain and then losing it)
4) If any bad shit goes down, and if affects you - you are PTS - and have to do a Search and Discovery - to identify the SP in your vicinity.
5) There are 4 types of PTS - Type 1 = connected to an SP who is actively suppressing them in present time, Type 2 - where they are no longer connected to the SP, but their past suppression is causing the problem, Type-3 - Where the person is effectively insane - his bank is suppressing him, he sees conspiracies everywhere (the drunken hobo having a fight with himself was the example given to me - verbal tech I know) and Type-A - the most commonly encountered type - the PTS person is connected to an Anti-Scientologist.
Additionally I had to buy a set of tapes for this course - another $200
On Academy training, Meters, PCs etc etc
What TRs and Upper Indoc (I'll generically refer to these as TRs) teach you is not to get stopped, not to get deviated from your path. It can be a valuable thing, and I'm sure I used these new skills to get my self a new job in an insurance company, and get promoted. I was now a claims manager - which is insurance speak for someone who goes over your claim in fine detail looking for inconsistencies and ways to avoid paying up, I got to go out the office and visit client premises too, and this gave me an excuse to miss my scientology courses in the evenings many times more than I actually had to work late.. They demanded I give up time at the weekend to catch up, but I after going in once or twice I was firm about refusing that too!
So my TRs allowed me to truly interview clients about their insurance claims, and get a handle on whether they were lying or concealing anything. It made me a good employee from the insurance company's point of view - but not if you were exaggerating your claim.
Hubbards TRs can be a valuable skill for anyone to have in life - however they are abused inside the Church. Take TR8 - thats the shouting at an ashtray drill. Some people get completely the wrong end of the stick, and think its about trying to move the ashtray with your mind - no its not - its about conditioning you to shout in order to get yourself obeyed - you have to physically get hold of the ashtray to make it move. Its about being able to shout, and not lose your temper - but use shouting as a weapon against other people. To start with you find yourself getting nervous or angry when shouting really loud, that 'button' is stamped on, by more shouting, until you're completely fine with it. You also learn what effect shouting can have on others - it definitely puts them ill at ease, wrong-footing them and causing them to make mistakes. When a Scientology exec shouts at you know this - he is not angry and he is not out of control, he may appear so, but its a cold and calculated way of getting his will done.
The stated purpose of TRs is to make sure the auditor controls the PC in session - enabling him to direct the PCs attention at difficult memories, despite the PC wishing to give up, until the process is finished.
And I nearly had to buy tapes for this course too - they would have been really expensive, but luckily my sisters new boyfriend (some exec post, the HAS or HCO Exec or something) had a set and I got to borrow his.
After Upper Indoc I moved on to the real Academy levels - there was no metering course in those days. So it was straight on to Academy Level Zero. I was looking forward to this, because this should be where my Bridge started - I'd get assigned a twin and we'd co-audit to Clear. That was the theory, and at this stage, I still had faith in it.
This (Level 0) was a bit of a monster course - thick course pack, loads of introductory stuff about auditing, tone scale, loads of books and lectures, and I needed to buy an E-Meter. I had a new job with more money, and I now had credit cards - I got the books and lectures and later the E-Meter ( a wooden box mark 5 - about $15 worth of electronic components and a wooden box for $2000. )
Some of the communication drills on this level are very useful to the mind-control aspect of the cult. You are taught how to quickly assess the emotional tone of a person, how to mimic that emotional tone - and find things that the person agrees with - If he's ranting on about traffic cops and parking restrictions - then you talk to him antagonistically about similar subjects - and - here's the important bit - agree with anything non-destructive that he says - e.g. "Traffic cops are just walking over our freedom, they're a menace to the city and we should beat the crap out of them" - so you say "Yeah you're right - they're just walking over our freedoms - and you got it on the nail - they sure are a menace" - Its all a matter of control over communication - If you can really get this properly and be quick thinking enough to put it into practise - then its a useful tool for the individual in life - but essential for the successful registrar.
Later I was to discover these techniques are used extensively in regging the public for more cash, regging people to join staff, regging the city authorities to do their bidding, dealing with just about anyone who they wanted to exert some control over.. This is the degree of intimacy that a well-trained scientologist can get with someone - They are not really your friend - they have trained long and hard on how to appear to be friendly, to gain your trust and become someone who you believe in - this all a is part of suspending your critical faculties.
The training doesn't work on everyone - some in the academy do it and come out the other side as disagreeable a Grinch as they were to start with. And using your communication techniques doesn't work on everyone either - however anyone it doesn't work on can safely be called an SP. - Logic I'm trying to help people, you don't agree with me, SPs cant help people - QED you must be an SP. I think there's a name for this A=B, B=C therefore A=C type of logic - of course its completely wrong outside of engineering and mathematics (and possibly wrong in some applications there too)
Enough for today.
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Sounds like there is more to discharge. If you address topics with different techs you can sometimes improve stuff with one tech that an earlier one missed. It's like anti-virus software — sometimes one program finds stuff that another one doesn't.
Paul
Unfortunately, Ron's 'Tech' has a lot in common with very *bad* AV programs that deliberately *find* false positives in order to enhance their own 'reputation'. Worse, it's like an anti-virus program that deliberately *creates* or enhances viruses in order to make itself appear 'useful'.
Zinj
xseaorguk
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I have to congratulate you on your written story.
I have rarely read a more interesting and well told one on this board.
In fact you are reminding me of things I also encountered whilst 'getting in' that I had forgotten.
Yes, gradually with all your help, its all coming back to me.
I would like to say what a transformation I have gone through since reading and contributing to this board.
I feel its making me a happier person.
This is such a valuable place for ex-memebrs to meet, as we could never discuss things whilst 'in', and even when already 'out'.
Thanks to everybody on here.
I have rarely read a more interesting and well told one on this board.
In fact you are reminding me of things I also encountered whilst 'getting in' that I had forgotten.
Yes, gradually with all your help, its all coming back to me.
I would like to say what a transformation I have gone through since reading and contributing to this board.
I feel its making me a happier person.
This is such a valuable place for ex-memebrs to meet, as we could never discuss things whilst 'in', and even when already 'out'.
Thanks to everybody on here.
Soul of Ginnungagab
Patron with Honors
Species8472, I enjoy your story very much, but there is a part which I find strange:
To me that is a very strange interpretation of the TR8 drill.
The purpose of the drill is to increase a person's ability to project intention, it is certainly not about being able to shout. You are supposed to realize that the ability to project intention is completely independent of your words and has nothing to do with whether you shout or not, or even whether you are actually saying something at all!!! As well as running through the drill by shouting you are also running through the drill with normal voice, you are running through the drill by saying the wrong words, and you are running through the drill being completely silent.
But now that you mentioned shouting it reminded me of an experience:
I have been staff in the Sea Org (Pubs Org), I met a lot of decent people there at the time. But sometimes it did happen that my senior shouted at me and my junior. Both me and my junior took it as a dramatization, being scared though but certainly a dramatization. My junior and I soon found out that my senior placed his body at a certain place in the room when he was shouting, so whenever he headed towards that spot we knew that some unpleasant temper would occur. If he was headed towards another spot in the room we relaxed even before he opened his mouth, because from there he would behave just great. That was a very interesting experience and we chatted about it when he was not around.
To me that is a very strange interpretation of the TR8 drill.
The purpose of the drill is to increase a person's ability to project intention, it is certainly not about being able to shout. You are supposed to realize that the ability to project intention is completely independent of your words and has nothing to do with whether you shout or not, or even whether you are actually saying something at all!!! As well as running through the drill by shouting you are also running through the drill with normal voice, you are running through the drill by saying the wrong words, and you are running through the drill being completely silent.
But now that you mentioned shouting it reminded me of an experience:
I have been staff in the Sea Org (Pubs Org), I met a lot of decent people there at the time. But sometimes it did happen that my senior shouted at me and my junior. Both me and my junior took it as a dramatization, being scared though but certainly a dramatization. My junior and I soon found out that my senior placed his body at a certain place in the room when he was shouting, so whenever he headed towards that spot we knew that some unpleasant temper would occur. If he was headed towards another spot in the room we relaxed even before he opened his mouth, because from there he would behave just great. That was a very interesting experience and we chatted about it when he was not around.
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knn
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You may felt sleepy because the vitamins caused the body to fight illnesses.I absolutely loved doing the purif though.I think it was the warmth of the sauna. It was just brilliant. I was told all about how to expect drug reactions to turn on and off and to run out cancers and restimulate old sunburns and all that stuff, but I can't really say I got much of that. I think I just loved being sleepy and warm in the sauna - they said being sleepy was because I was running out heavy narcotics - maybe it was, but I didn't feel stoned, or have flashbacks or that kind of thing.
And you know that you get tired when the body fights illnesses.
A typical side effect with zapping, too: Eyelid start to fall within minutes. At least with the Ultimate Zapper.
knn
Patron Meritorious
For me TR3 is abused. Per tech it simply means to get an adequate answer to a question.
But it is used "To get the answer you want". Even slangwise you can hear Scientologists state "I need to TR3 him about it" = "I will annoy him until I get what I want". A correct TR3 would mean "I will ask him until he gives me an appropriate answer, even if it's not what I want to hear".
Species8472
Patron with Honors
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Google it. This kind of zapper was invented by Hulda Clark to kill bacteria et al. I've got one and have used it (in one form or another) for about 15 years. Love it.
Paul
Species8472
Patron with Honors
TR8
I know TR-8 is to get your intention into a specific point in space - and that the shouting bit is just part of the gradient getting up to this ability. But I had a back-off on shouting, and per - all earlier TRs must be in, I got bullbaited on it by my coach on it and had to do a heck of a lot of shouting - What I got out if that in the end was the ability to shout and scream madly without finding myself becoming angry or effect of it - I also learned - from coaching others and fromdoing the drill that shouting can have a marked effect on some people. It was then that I thought that the various Org execs having a screaming blue fit must have gotten the same ability out of the drill.
I did TR-8 again when I ran into difficulty on OTIII - that time (because of the level EP being in my mind) I thought shouting can be an effort to overwhelm (with sound and/or anger) .
I do believe that some use their TR-8 inspired shouting abilities to attempt to overwhelm others - usually their juniors on staff.
I know TR-8 is to get your intention into a specific point in space - and that the shouting bit is just part of the gradient getting up to this ability. But I had a back-off on shouting, and per - all earlier TRs must be in, I got bullbaited on it by my coach on it and had to do a heck of a lot of shouting - What I got out if that in the end was the ability to shout and scream madly without finding myself becoming angry or effect of it - I also learned - from coaching others and fromdoing the drill that shouting can have a marked effect on some people. It was then that I thought that the various Org execs having a screaming blue fit must have gotten the same ability out of the drill.
I did TR-8 again when I ran into difficulty on OTIII - that time (because of the level EP being in my mind) I thought shouting can be an effort to overwhelm (with sound and/or anger) .
I do believe that some use their TR-8 inspired shouting abilities to attempt to overwhelm others - usually their juniors on staff.
Species8472
Patron with Honors
Thanks XSeaOrgUK -
Glad you find it helpful. I find it helpful writing this stuff - and voicing all those little things that didn't quite fit at the time.
and God Bless President Obama.
Species8472
Patron with Honors
Part 6
Acadamy Level zero has a set of LRH taped lectures (another $250) Where you come across some of the higher level stuff about GPM's - Space Opera civilizations, Marcab - just little hints in passing, which you have to word clear - its all part of the indoctrination - to give you little snippets of some mystery. Of course you could just get out the tech volumnes and look up everything - but supervisors don't like you doing that - as you're not making progress through the course. You can't listen to all the lectures about GPMs or Space Opera - because most of them are on the briefing course and they're not available in the academy - Some are, very tatty copies with half the tapes missing and the transcripts with missing pages - But to get at them you have to walk across past the supervisor - leading to questioning on what you were doing, but it was possible then to persue your own interests with a little more freedom than after GAT came in.
Also before GAT the supervisor (sometimes a very old dude) would sit at a desk at the front - like a teacher in a classroom, he would get up occasionally and do some spot checks, and he was sharp witted enough to notice when people weren't actually doing anything. He'd even twin with a student on a drill, or do a star-rate if no-one else was available. But after GAT - the supervisors dissappeared to Flag for ages and when they came back they were on their feet the entire course time, they would never twin with a student, or do a star rate - they would never tell you anything - just refer you to the materials.
Oh and yawning - whats with equating a yawn with a mistunderstood? - I yawn all the time, when on the bus, when driving, when reading, when shopping. I don't think it means an MU - why single out yawning, why not target itching, blinking, sneezing, beltching or stretching. but because of my inablility to control my yawning I probably had to re-read half the course again - invent a MU, and duly look it up.
When I'd finished the theory, the practical part was to audit a PC. The PC they'd got for me was a new staff member who was going to be an auditor - he had finished the purif and was on student hat. The guy had a totally stuck needle. This is where the emeter needle just stays in the same place - like its giving you the finger. It makes auditing a real drag especially if you're just starting out. I kind of gave up on the meter and concentrated on whether he looked interested or not. I'd go through the motions - "what does the question mean to you", "I'll check the question", - put in buttons etc - may have got a slight twitch here and there, but if he answered - sometimes a PC answers the question when you are checking, so I let him talk and went earlier and more talking and earlier similar . It was contrary to all my training, you're supposed to get an F/N at session start, you're supposed to get a read before you take up a question, and you're supposed to control the PC with your TRs, so if he starts blabbing on an unreading question I should have checked for interest and if no read, skillfully acked his origination and moved on to the next question. But soon the needle was moving so I'm thinking wow this works - I was really pleased. Eventually I got what I thought was a fleeting F/N so I ended off and sent it to the C/S - And that was it - one session, a bit of chatter - virtually illegible notes - and the C/S gave me a VWD on the auditing practical section. I talked it over with the C/S saying I don't think I did very well, and wasn't sure of the reads - but he didn't seem to mind at all - Its not like he expected much from me - I couldn't believe it - They were only interested in the F/N at exams. Nothing else mattered. I certainly had not audited him through the entire Grade Zero, not even the a significant portion of the Mini-List.
Next I was expecting some auditing myself. They wanted me to immediatley start on Academy Level 1. I resisted, Someone needed to do my Grade Zero - it was a co-audit remember -
But as it turned out no-one else on the co-audit could do this, either they had already audited someone on Grade Zero - or they weren't up to that point yet (like the guy I had audited). I could buy intensive auditing if I wanted - or I could get on with Level 1 and wait for him to finish grade zero course - Looking back it seemed like a complete con this co-audit to clear business. In the end, I accepted it - another student would eventually catch me up, and on the Grade 4 intenship I could get my full grades there from another intern.
There were about 7 people on Academy levels, who may be eligible for co-audit, however some were on different schedules, some were well advanced compared to me - already on grade 4 internship - and they seemed like gods, from my lowly position. Never mind OT - (I don't think there were any OTs on lines or on staff at that time) - there were one or two Clears, and some rumoured to be Clear, there were some 'hung up at Clear' - because they had been allowed to attest after Objectives, or ARC Straightwire - or were past life Clears - Many of these Clears I didn't even know about until a lot later, few people advertised their own case level, however other staff (notably newer staff) would let you know the case level of others to impress you.
I was surprised to find some shabby fellow had done an L and was on NED - but had a lot of health problems and wasn't doing well, but another who had done virtually nothing but objectives and was bright and enthusiastic and got things done.
Later as I got talking to OTs more - they didn't talk much about their cases, even if asked, and didn't metion any of these OT Powers they might have had. Someone told me once that using your OT Powers would be an overt as it would restimulate the other people on the planet too much.
And to think my sister still believes all this OT Powers stuff,
and she will get it all when they make the Org St Hill size and get the Universe Corps. The new Org building still looks empty I think they bought it over a year ago. :confused2:
I'm amazed at how much I can write about this.
More on the training to come later...
Acadamy Level zero has a set of LRH taped lectures (another $250) Where you come across some of the higher level stuff about GPM's - Space Opera civilizations, Marcab - just little hints in passing, which you have to word clear - its all part of the indoctrination - to give you little snippets of some mystery. Of course you could just get out the tech volumnes and look up everything - but supervisors don't like you doing that - as you're not making progress through the course. You can't listen to all the lectures about GPMs or Space Opera - because most of them are on the briefing course and they're not available in the academy - Some are, very tatty copies with half the tapes missing and the transcripts with missing pages - But to get at them you have to walk across past the supervisor - leading to questioning on what you were doing, but it was possible then to persue your own interests with a little more freedom than after GAT came in.
Also before GAT the supervisor (sometimes a very old dude) would sit at a desk at the front - like a teacher in a classroom, he would get up occasionally and do some spot checks, and he was sharp witted enough to notice when people weren't actually doing anything. He'd even twin with a student on a drill, or do a star-rate if no-one else was available. But after GAT - the supervisors dissappeared to Flag for ages and when they came back they were on their feet the entire course time, they would never twin with a student, or do a star rate - they would never tell you anything - just refer you to the materials.
Oh and yawning - whats with equating a yawn with a mistunderstood? - I yawn all the time, when on the bus, when driving, when reading, when shopping. I don't think it means an MU - why single out yawning, why not target itching, blinking, sneezing, beltching or stretching. but because of my inablility to control my yawning I probably had to re-read half the course again - invent a MU, and duly look it up.
When I'd finished the theory, the practical part was to audit a PC. The PC they'd got for me was a new staff member who was going to be an auditor - he had finished the purif and was on student hat. The guy had a totally stuck needle. This is where the emeter needle just stays in the same place - like its giving you the finger. It makes auditing a real drag especially if you're just starting out. I kind of gave up on the meter and concentrated on whether he looked interested or not. I'd go through the motions - "what does the question mean to you", "I'll check the question", - put in buttons etc - may have got a slight twitch here and there, but if he answered - sometimes a PC answers the question when you are checking, so I let him talk and went earlier and more talking and earlier similar . It was contrary to all my training, you're supposed to get an F/N at session start, you're supposed to get a read before you take up a question, and you're supposed to control the PC with your TRs, so if he starts blabbing on an unreading question I should have checked for interest and if no read, skillfully acked his origination and moved on to the next question. But soon the needle was moving so I'm thinking wow this works - I was really pleased. Eventually I got what I thought was a fleeting F/N so I ended off and sent it to the C/S - And that was it - one session, a bit of chatter - virtually illegible notes - and the C/S gave me a VWD on the auditing practical section. I talked it over with the C/S saying I don't think I did very well, and wasn't sure of the reads - but he didn't seem to mind at all - Its not like he expected much from me - I couldn't believe it - They were only interested in the F/N at exams. Nothing else mattered. I certainly had not audited him through the entire Grade Zero, not even the a significant portion of the Mini-List.
Next I was expecting some auditing myself. They wanted me to immediatley start on Academy Level 1. I resisted, Someone needed to do my Grade Zero - it was a co-audit remember -
But as it turned out no-one else on the co-audit could do this, either they had already audited someone on Grade Zero - or they weren't up to that point yet (like the guy I had audited). I could buy intensive auditing if I wanted - or I could get on with Level 1 and wait for him to finish grade zero course - Looking back it seemed like a complete con this co-audit to clear business. In the end, I accepted it - another student would eventually catch me up, and on the Grade 4 intenship I could get my full grades there from another intern. There were about 7 people on Academy levels, who may be eligible for co-audit, however some were on different schedules, some were well advanced compared to me - already on grade 4 internship - and they seemed like gods, from my lowly position. Never mind OT - (I don't think there were any OTs on lines or on staff at that time) - there were one or two Clears, and some rumoured to be Clear, there were some 'hung up at Clear' - because they had been allowed to attest after Objectives, or ARC Straightwire - or were past life Clears - Many of these Clears I didn't even know about until a lot later, few people advertised their own case level, however other staff (notably newer staff) would let you know the case level of others to impress you.
I was surprised to find some shabby fellow had done an L and was on NED - but had a lot of health problems and wasn't doing well, but another who had done virtually nothing but objectives and was bright and enthusiastic and got things done.
Later as I got talking to OTs more - they didn't talk much about their cases, even if asked, and didn't metion any of these OT Powers they might have had. Someone told me once that using your OT Powers would be an overt as it would restimulate the other people on the planet too much.
And to think my sister still believes all this OT Powers stuff,
and she will get it all when they make the Org St Hill size and get the Universe Corps. The new Org building still looks empty I think they bought it over a year ago. :confused2: I'm amazed at how much I can write about this.
More on the training to come later...
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