Speculations on the IRS Takeover of the CoS

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
who won what

Once the Cos created the Tax Compliance Office whose job it is to police the COS members to adherence to paying all back taxes owed to the
Federal Reserve Banking system no I mean the "IRS" (who is incorporated in Porto Rico) and keeping current with all state and federal taxes or the person in violation will be barred from further service even though they have money on account. This policy makes the COS an IRS member organization through the Law of Agency. So it doesn't matter who is on the board or who isn't the COS is part of the IRS tax collection system as are many other religious institutions. L.R.H. wrote " keep your taxes defensible". The War is over mantra was a scam cooked up between the IRS and COS to perpetuate the illusion that the COS really won something.What they lost is their rights to privacy and the 1 and 4 amendments. DM is a government man whose job it is to control and strip it members of all the money he can and steal from its staff members of as much time as they remain ignorant to the realities of his mission

The Federal Reserve System is a private, run for profit corporation, true. The IRS functions as a bill collector for the fed, true. That "taxpayers" are "human resource assets" of a bankrupt and in receivership corporate entity known as the United States and are garnished against the debt of the United States in the form of "income" tax, true. The IRS is actually a trust entity out of Puerto Rico ... have heard this numerous times, may very well be true, would love to see some dox on this. Cof$ losing access to privacy and protections guaranteed via 1st and 4th articles in the Bill of Rights ... no, that part is not really true at all. Why? Because Cof$ has never existed apart from being a 501c(3) not for profit corporate entity, a statutory "person" and any protection afforded to it via the Bill of Rights only ever applied as limited privilege and immunity and not as a guarantee of inalienable rights. Corporate entities are creations of man and not of the Creator and were never therefore endowed with inalienable rights.

Cof$ uses a complex structure of corporate entities, which may or may not be the best way for it to go. If I were structuring something like this from the start, I would have commonlaw trusts holding real property and bank accounts, staff belonging to unincorporated associations, and non profit corporate entities for public PR purposes only, holding no real power or assets.

Pete
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
And LRH and/or DM aren't bat-shit-insane? What's the difference who is in charge of a dying cult anyway?

The point is that the 'government' or 'attorneys' or 'non-sceintologists' are *not* running the 'Church' of Scientology.

Nobody but a Scientologist would run it this way.

Zinj
 

Blue Spirit

Silver Meritorious Patron
Forget It

good application there!

"Don´t defend, always attack."

I see that the you really duplicated the "good" data and apply them. I bet you had an OSA or Ethics post when you were inside... Now you have Vladimir Ilich Lenin as your symbol? Are you a dialectic materialist, the lenin type, or more the Trozki style? Do you actually really know anything about it?

Instead of going over any and all of my single points, you can only diminish, insult and flare. I have cross-checked and it seems a repetitive attitude in you.

Well good luck with your attitude. I´m not getting anymore into it. I´m only gonna discuss in a factual and respectful way. Why is it that some people go crazy in this board when a Scientology term is used? Must it be all for or all contra? Are there no grayshades? Do we still need to play war against the invisible "so and so" (put an etiquette here)? Do we still need to etiquette, and once labelling, make the other to a THING, not a person, and therefore less worth? Can we learn?

Perpetuating old patterns will not do.

Get a bit of the hate out of your body, Wenlock. Will help you.

I´m into a sane constructive discussion of different, even opposed viewpoints. For people that have already "solved" everything and have all the answers ready, diminish others, and need to be on "top", I can only say to make their own cult.

A well written post. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Mick is Fixated and can't be fixed.

Forget him by putting him on Ignore, as I did.
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
A well written post. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Mick is Fixated and can't be fixed.

Forget him by putting him on Ignore, as I did.

Micheal Corleone wouldn't agree with doing that, Blue. He learned from his old man 'keep your friends close, but your enemies closer'
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
good application there!

"Don´t defend, always attack."

I see that the you really duplicated the "good" data and apply them. I bet you had an OSA or Ethics post when you were inside... Now you have Vladimir Ilich Lenin as your symbol? Are you a dialectic materialist, the lenin type, or more the Trozki style? Do you actually really know anything about it?

Instead of going over any and all of my single points, you can only diminish, insult and flare. I have cross-checked and it seems a repetitive attitude in you.

Well good luck with your attitude. I´m not getting anymore into it. I´m only gonna discuss in a factual and respectful way. Why is it that some people go crazy in this board when a Scientology term is used? Must it be all for or all contra? Are there no grayshades? Do we still need to play war against the invisible "so and so" (put an etiquette here)? Do we still need to etiquette, and once labelling, make the other to a THING, not a person, and therefore less worth? Can we learn?

Perpetuating old patterns will not do.

Get a bit of the hate out of your body, Wenlock. Will help you.

I´m into a sane constructive discussion of different, even opposed viewpoints. For people that have already "solved" everything and have all the answers ready, diminish others, and need to be on "top", I can only say to make their own cult.

Ah the last cry of the fanatic literalists - "Its all hate".

I have never even claimed to dislike you - well not yet of course. I have merely ridiculed your puerile postings rehashing conspiracy theory rubbish that was exposed as bogus twaddle years ago.

That you consider such exposure to be "hate" makes me think that you do not know the definition of that word or you have lived a very sheltered existence - maybe in some institution somewhere?

If you wish to have sane constructive conversations and discussions you should learn the rules of debating and of logical fallacies.

Otherwise you are merely parroting.

As for my posts - if you had "researched" (LOL) you would have known that your rather inadequate point was off the mark as to what posts I have held.

But at least I held some and I am not afraid to use my own name.
 

paul.spiritualquest

Patron with Honors
I knew that I saw something to that effect someplace, that you had to be a taxpayer in good standing in order to be "on lines" with Cof$. That inspite of the Hubturd having a deep and abiding hatred for the IRS and the income tax.

Meanwhile, "taxpayer" is a word with a specific legal definition, not to be confused with the expression "tax payer". A "taxpayer" is a "person" (another word with a specific legal definition) who is subject to Title 26, the Internal Revenue Codes. Anyone who understands how tax liability is incurred can cease being a "taxpayer" at anytime. For most Americans, that is a simple (but not necessarily easy) matter of ceasing the use of an SSN.

If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that it would be impossible to be a member of Cof$ in good standing unless you agree to participate in Social Security as well as all of the tax liabilities it creates for you. Can you produce that SPD?

Pete

Hi Pete,

I cannot produce it, but it was quite a few years after 1993, if I don´t remember wrongly. Now it is so all over the planet, in different continents and different orgs. I know people in 2 different continents, which with payed services cannot go on-lines as they are not in perfect standing with their taxes. Anything appearing in session for this matter will be enforced, and the pc will be taken to OSA for adress. Will be routed off of any service, the matter will be handled directly with OSA and with Ethics. C/Ses will route off pcs for handling before continuation of any services. Also tailor made metered questions are frequent regarding this issues. It´s not just a side thing, but something central nowadays. This is fact.
 

paul.spiritualquest

Patron with Honors
Thanks Blue

A well written post. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Mick is Fixated and can't be fixed.

Forget him by putting him on Ignore, as I did.

Yes, I sure let him bark alone. Not interested in that type of agression. He is off the topic anyways, and doesn´t adress the thread, the content, he adresses the HOW, not the WHAT, so sure, let´s leave this "heil hitler" bark on his own and wish him the best. :no:

I had an expectation for such a board that we would be above somehow such personal egos and disputes, but I see that some people are still holding still so much resentment with the Church, that they will go psycho at anything which equates it, at least in some aspect. Having one at hand, but not the origin of the problem, they will project that emotion on you, no matter how much you explain that one is not the person to get that flow.
 

The Clam

Patron with Honors
roflmao.

Incorporated in Puerto Rico?

No its not - why, instead of just looking at something presented to you do you not do the research necessary to actually arrive at the facts? The IRS is a department correctly founded within the Department of the Treasury of the US. Did you actually bother to research it?

The Authority of the Internal Revenue Service
to operate within the fifty (50) States

The Bureau of Internal Revenue and the alleged Internal Revenue Service were not created by any Act of Congress. These are not organizations or agencies of the Department of the Treasury, or of the federal government. They appear to be operated through pure trusts administered by the Secretary of the Treasury (the Trustee). The Settlor of the trusts and the Beneficiary or Beneficiaries are unknown. According to the law governing trusts, that information does not have to be revealed. You will not find the Bureau of Internal Revenue, or the Internal Revenue Service, or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms fisted in 31 USC, Chapter 3, as an authorized agency of the Department of the Treasury.

The Philippine Customs Administrative Act was passed by the Philippine Commission between 1900 and 1902, which created Trust Fund #1, the Philippine special fund (customs duties) (31 USC 1321). The Act was administered under the general supervision and control of the Secretary of Finance and Justice. The Philippine Commission passed another Act known as the Internal Revenue Law of Nineteen Hundred and Four. This Act created the "Bureau of Internal Revenue" and the federal government's second trust fund, Trust Fund #2, the Philippine special fund (internal revenue). Article 1, Section 1, of the Act provides that: "There shall be established a Bureau of Internal Revenue, the chief officer of which Bureau shall be known as the Collector of Internal Revenue. He shall be appointed by the Civil Governor, with the advice and consent of the Philippine Commission, and shall receive a salary at the rate of eight thousand pesos per annum. The Bureau of Internal Revenue shall belong to the Department of Finance and Justice."

At some unknown date, before 1940, another Bureau of Internal Revenue was established in Puerto Rico, along with Trust fund #62 Puerto Rico (Internal Revenue). These two Bureaus are the only Bureaus of Internal Revenue which have ever existed, one in the Philippines and the other in Puerto Rico. In 1953, the United States relinquished its control over the Philippines.

The Federal Alcohol Administration Act of 1935 was declared unconstitutional in 1935, and the operation was then transferred off shore to Puerto Rico. 27 CFR 250.1 1 provides the following definitions:

Its why the drivelling fools at this whole conspiracy webstie ALWAYS get it wrong. they deliberately mistake correlation for causation they have no idea what a logical fallacy is and they ALWAYS argue from incredulity and ignorance (look them up, they are logcial fallacies).

What conspiracy drivel that the COS has Tax Compliance Officer. Call the
the church and ask them. I have seen policy letters stating this fact.
The law of agency means that if one party contracts another to perform
a function than it is assumed that the party performing the duty is part of
the issuing agency which means the cos performs tax compliance of its
members for the IRS establishing a working partnership.


I hole no brief for either Scientology or the IRS. But the ridiculous assumption that there is something in Scientology that is worth anything is ludicrous
The COS is worth Billions and even though membership is down it is still a cash cow for the top execs and the board members. Where does the money go. Who really knows. Your statement is illogical
- which anyone who has done services can quite happily tell you. Do you have ANY sane argument as to
WHY the IRS would take over the CofS?
To create a one world government the governments use religious leader to
control their members so they will go quietly in the night while their constitutional rights are being supplanted by a police state. Conspiracy theory. I think not.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=9990
A Pastor has come forward to blow the whistle on a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.
I thought not.
The government has been doing this for years. See Frank Church Committee
Its a common practice for FBI,CIA, AFT etc to infiltrate groups which pose
a perceived threat with agent provocateurs.While on staff there were two
church members who worked for US intelligent agencies. One was caught by interview the other sent a letter to the mission to appoligies for his spying.
Once a foot hold is established the agents will work with intelligent agencies and carry out their directives.
The biggest out point is if you were to apply for staff and had a family menber who was employed by police deptment, IRS, CIA, FBI ect. you would not be allowed to join staff. Then why did the cos put an IRS agent on its
board of directives.
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
Does Cof$ require a socialist slavestate number?

Hi Pete,

I cannot produce it, but it was quite a few years after 1993, if I don´t remember wrongly. Now it is so all over the planet, in different continents and different orgs. I know people in 2 different continents, which with payed services cannot go on-lines as they are not in perfect standing with their taxes. Anything appearing in session for this matter will be enforced, and the pc will be taken to OSA for adress. Will be routed off of any service, the matter will be handled directly with OSA and with Ethics. C/Ses will route off pcs for handling before continuation of any services. Also tailor made metered questions are frequent regarding this issues. It´s not just a side thing, but something central nowadays. This is fact.

Regarding the questioning to be eligible for auditing ... does Cof$ require a socialist slavestate number (SSN) before it will allow that individual to take training or auditing? Also, the question of "good standing" with the IRS ... does that specifically exclude NON standing, i.e., having nothing to do with them by virtue of not incurring a tax liability in the first place by virtue of not engaging in activities taxable for revenue purposes? Are only "taxpayers" allowed on lines? If this was/is a part of the deal between Cof$ and IRS, it tells me that the IRS must have been shitting in their pants at some point over the Cof$. As far as I know, about the only think I know of that is to the IRS what Kryptonite is to Superman is the exact "isness" about how tax liability is incurred, and there is plenty of that out there on the web if anyone wants to do the research.

Pete
 

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
Hmm.. CST is a 'Non-Profit', while 'Author Services' is a 'For-Profit'.. I had an MU on that.. (I was prolly the only one noticing anyway..)

It is an interesting omission, like paul.spiritualquest notes, that the CST logo is undefined in cult scripture.. (Is it? - I don't have an Admin Dictionary, so I can't check. But I certainly don't recall seeing anything about the CST logo, other than on the internet.)

And I've been searching, unsucessfully, for an old thread on OCMB about the symbology. As I recall, from that, there is some geometric arcana and significance with it. No mention of owl's eyes.

Anyway, some search results:

WikiPedia on CST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Spiritual_Technology

Robert Dam wondered about this too:
http://www.robertdam-cos.dk/Copyrights in wrong hands.html

And this from Arnie Lerma's site:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/
I learned from an ex member, Pixie, on ESMB chatboard that was into tarot and card readings that the diamond on a regular deck of cards is the equivalent of the "Coin" representing money in the Tarot deck, hence the CST logo visible from space is a "Here's where I hid the loot" marker for the returning reborn L Ron Hubbard"
In a book called Mission into Time, A Test of Whole Track Recall Hubbard went to considerable lengths wasting everyone's time and taking the Apollo all over the Mediterranean to dig holes in the sand.. looking for the LOOT that he buried last lifetime, and he could not find it..

Perhaps he decided that he was not going to make THAT same mistake again?

Hence the CST double diamond logo visible from near earth orbit...
THERE"S WHERE I HID THE LOOT!
Coming from a guy that was almost hit by a freight train on venus, it makes perfect sense to me.

And look! - Interlocked circles at the Washington Monument!
Dc_flyover_sm.jpg

From this tread about '2 Intertwined Circles (and Vesica Piscis)'
on another board:
http://outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1943

:yes:
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
The only 'threat' that Scientology poses is the threat of the malicious mischief caused by Scientology in its attempt to take over the world.

There is no danger of it actually succeeding because Scientology is pure lunacy and beyond the placebo effective 'self confidence' granted ty the 'Tech' it offers *nothing*.

No flying ashtrays; no last-life treasures. No control of wogs; no ability to recover past abilities.

Sientologists may be overwhelmingly confident, but, that's because they're hypnotized to believe they're confident.

Had they been hypnotized to believe they were chickens, our discussion might be about not wanting to 'cure' them because we needed the eggs....

But; *There are no eggs*. There is *nothing* and people are dead in attempting to make something out of nothing. Time to stop. Time to be honest. There are no Clears. There never were any Clears. There are no OTs, there never were any OTs. You are not Clear. You are not OT.

It was and is bullshit.

Zinj
 

Krautfag

Patron Meritorious
I´m also versed in epistemology, and philosophy of science, Kuhn, Hume, Locke, Bacon, Foucalt

What a shame you can't spell his name then, but oh well, factional correctness isn't as fascinating as fictional correctness if I understand the following right:

Third, one can also follow on intuition, or gut-feeling and THEN look for the facts. The more I live, the more I do it. It gets me the best results many times, I´m getting. When I disociated the gut from the head, many problems happened, such as not seeing the OBVIOUS in Scn. (Ignosis, it´s called in another thread).

Last time my head and my gut "disociated" I woke up at an Implant Station :dieslaughing:

Hey, that was a good one for a wog :D

And to quote myself from a similar thread:

This way please ---> A good place for speculation
 

paul.spiritualquest

Patron with Honors
Back on Track in the Thread

The government has been doing this for years. See Frank Church Committee
Its a common practice for FBI,CIA, AFT etc to infiltrate groups which pose
a perceived threat with agent provocateurs.While on staff there were two
church members who worked for US intelligent agencies. One was caught by interview the other sent a letter to the mission to appoligies for his spying.
Once a foot hold is established the agents will work with intelligent agencies and carry out their directives.
The biggest out point is if you were to apply for staff and had a family menber who was employed by police deptment, IRS, CIA, FBI ect. you would not be allowed to join staff. Then why did the cos put an IRS agent on its
board of directives.

Surely. But there is a big difference here in my opinion. One thing is to infiltrate and a completely different one is to take over. Again, I´m not affirming 100% there is a take over, but:

1. Creating a new corporate structure above was part of the coup, till there, everything clear, but why would the top level Board of Directors, be people completely from a different milieu, and one of the Founders of CST, a top executive in the IRS, who was precisely in the legal department in the highest moment of attacks and infiltration by CoS on the IRS?

2. Another big outpoint is that the Estate goes finally to CST, AFTER the tax exempt recognition. If you check the chronology that is another fishy aspect of the chronology. Why would it take from 1986 till 1993 to complete that step? So much added time...

I can only see that there is either a hidden interest (could be money, power) or the intention to silence and stop the infiltrations in the future.

I want to add here, that LRH´s data series, are an excellent tool to find illogics and track back things. There is plenty of tools on logic, and so on, but some aspects of the data series are truly unique and very valuable.
 

paul.spiritualquest

Patron with Honors
What a shame you can't spell his name then,

I missed a "u"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#The_Archaeology_of_Knowledge

"Depending on whether or not it complies with these rules of meaning, a grammatically correct sentence may still lack meaning and, inversely, a grammatically incorrect sentence may still be meaningful. Statements depend on the conditions in which they emerge and exist within a field of discourse; the meaning of a statement is reliant on the succession of statements that precede and follow it. ....
Foucault reiterates that the analysis he is outlining is only one possible procedure, and that he is not seeking to displace other ways of analysing discourse or render them as invalid.
" excerpt from Wikipedia

just to make my former point clear, very French, but I like it :eyeroll: So the "discoursive" is more important regarding validity, than "truth".

I like post-modernism. :eyeroll:

Besides there was a logical connection in my argumentation, for whomever took the time and care to check the links provided, and connect the dots, and not blindly attack because of the A=A=A of LRH=conspiracy theory=aliens, but is able to have an own judgement and not pre-conceptualized and pre-conceived closed system of analysis.
 

justaguy

Patron Meritorious
I want to add here, that LRH´s data series, are an excellent tool to find illogics and track back things. There is plenty of tools on logic, and so on, but some aspects of the data series are truly unique and very valuable.

Logic is also an excellent way to find illogics.
 

rhill

Patron with Honors
I want to add here, that LRH's data series, are an excellent tool to find illogics and track back things. There is plenty of tools on logic, and so on, but some aspects of the data series are truly unique and very valuable.

Can LRH's "data series" be used to find fallacies in LRH writings/Scientology?
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Can LRH's "data series" be used to find fallacies in LRH writings/Scientology?

Surprisingly, despite the inherently fallacious nature, yes.

A Scientologist using the 'data series' will inevitably recognize the hollow core of Scientology.

Zinj
 
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