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Discussion in 'Europe' started by Axiom142, Dec 13, 2008.

  1. solo

    solo Patron with Honors

    Yes, shame indeed.
  2. Axiom142

    Axiom142 Gold Meritorious Patron

    As I recall - and I hope someone will correct me here if this isn’t right – Angela was married to Jean-Francois Paris. He came over from Switzerland (I think) with his children and met and married Angela at St Hill. In any case, they were both at St Hill when I was there in ’86 – ’87.

    J-F was a talented artist, he worked in the reg office at AOSH but was often co-opted into doing artwork for the various events. He had a car (an Opel Monza coupe) on the bonnet of which he had painted a mural of a woman. It was very impressive and all the rage at the time.

    I’m 95% certain Cathy is in OSA. She was at some of the events ‘observing’ us (although she quickly walked away when confronted). I’ve also seen her at EG train station, with a camera, ‘spotting’ for Anons / critics.

  3. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Paula was always dopey and robotic IMO and John was kind of vacant and usually seemed bewildered (to me) but he was certainly softer.

    I agree, they would have been the same wherever they were and scientology (SO) just made it easier to be an appalling parent.

    I haven't stopped thinking about this either, some of the sad confused little faces haunt me to this day and I can't think about them without blubbing.

    please, catch this ...


  4. Crashed Alien

    Crashed Alien Patron with Honors


    You are right, Cameron Frost did leave the SO and then died.

    He was my friend... A very good friend.

    Kailani behaved very badly at that time... "In Sickness and in Health" seemed to have passed her by... I shouldn't really say such things and judge so harshly - I suppose we all deal with adversity in different ways.

    However, it is at these times that we find out who our friends really are!

    I have tried to have as little to do with Kailani as possible since then.

    I loved Cameron dearly...

  5. Crashed Alien

    Crashed Alien Patron with Honors


    Maria and Steve Lake are not together any more.

    Last I heard, it was a case of childhood sweethearts getting together later in life: I heard Maria is now with Peter Ford in USA...

    Might have just been a rumour, but that was what I made of it.

  6. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    The "Scientific scrutiny of OT3" Peter Forde? I remember him from Dissem at SH.

  7. Gwydion

    Gwydion Patron

    When I was there in 95' I used to love taking a swim in that pool. It was lovely.
  8. Gwydion

    Gwydion Patron

    I chipped in with the rennos on the stables and the goundwork when I was attempting to route out to save myself from boredom. 95ish, Helping to put a new concrete floor in the basement and working on the wooden stair cases that were up the side at the back with a hilarious Austrian chap. There were lots of other odd jobs done too, mostly snagging and cleaning as the Stables Rennos was almost finished.

    That Fugees verson of killing me softy was on the radio constantly I remember which whenever I hear now beings me right back there.

    They had all this fancy china with the Sea Org logo printed all over it. On the first opening when it was all finished with a group of specially flown in Italians to do the cooking. After working for weeks we got to eat slops in the old mess and were brought left over unfinished deserts by Spike to celebrate.

    sheesh. That pissed me off lol
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  9. still here

    still here Patron with Honors

    Dear all

    Today I had guests for dinner and was cleaning this afternoon.

    I have always been very finickety about cleanliness....I think this may have come from my white glove experiences!! (or maybe they just fitted with me)

    Years later (after SCN and SO) in my professional job one of my staff said when I arrived to take on a new office and asked that they "sort" some meeting rooms " We have heard you are a bit neurotic from your current office...," They were right!

    Today though I had to sit down and laugh out loud at my memory - I thought it may amuse you....

    In Folo UK about 1977, I worked in the South lodge (the gatehouse) I was Management Aide and worked with the FFR (flag, flag Rep, and the head of Div 6 the CO UK, and about 3 others. I will not name them, but the were awesome...
    It was a very small building (3.5 rooms) and the rest of Folo were in various caravans and sheds about the place.

    The 6 of us got on very well and loved our work...we were all competent and although I was the "New girl" we got on well and had fun, we did work very hard!

    One day a flag mission arrived (not that common then) and their first order was that the whole of SH was to be white gloved. THe whole place got cleaning.....including us six.

    I love cleaning and the gatehouse was very small, so we scrubbed it....One member decided he needed to clean the ceiling - we all he started on a ladder with bleach...sadly it got worse and worse and the poor guy was up that ladder scrubbing, and re-scrubbing with bleach for about 48 we kept saying, do it again!

    The rest of us tackled everything else. As the deadline approached we found we had lots of very old office equipment, old typewriters, adding machines, you name it! Thick with grease and impossible to clean??? We got together and then our ceiling man said - I know put them all in the cupboard, an old rotting door and cubby hole... we shoved everything uncleanable into this cupboard, (there was hardly any equipment left in the office!!) What, said one of our very bright colleagues, if they look inside? Our ceiling man said - (maybe he had had enough...) "Simple"! and removed the door knob...Which we threw away.

    The inspection the next day - we passed with flying colours and yes, they did, check the ceiling!!!!

    The rest of SH was still cleaning and re-cleaning a week later....more honest I think!!

    It made me laugh, but it reminded me that we were a team, we solved problems and pulled together and won....and the place was VERY clean anyway....

    fond memories....

    I hope you enjoyed!! :happydance:
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  10. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Yes. I remember that. I think it was about 3 days. It was our first experience of a "proper" white glove. After that they got easier (not less strict) because the backlog of dirt and grime had been removed and it was more of a touch-up, if somewhat extreme.

  11. still here

    still here Patron with Honors

    You are so right Paul, and of course we got so good at it!

    I also remember Jane Kember ordering the gardening project....
    I was hauled into her office when she pointed out a scar on the manor lawn, made by staff taking a quick route.

    I think it was Sunday mornings when all the GOWW staff were out gardening, and as I walked to work from Stables past all the huge rhodedenrons, there seemed to be hundreds of people in the bushes, all silent, and all working - it was quite surreal...lots of goblins in the bushes!

    (I am not calling you a goblin of course)

    Do you think that all that equipment is still in that cupboard with no handle in the South Lodge? I hope so.
  12. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Oh yes, I remember all those GOWW peeps in the gardens over the weekend when they normally moonlighted, so they probably got quite pissed off. The grounds looked nice, though.

    Goblin? I've been called worse. :)

    Handle? It's easy enough to take another handle off and stick the square axle through the hole and undo the door, assuming it's one of that type. I doubt if they had to break the door down. And no, I don't think it's still as you left it!

  13. still here

    still here Patron with Honors

    Dear Paul

    I am sure you are right, our poor missionaires never worked out how to open the door.. but I am sure eventually someone did!

    Apologies to anyone who failed a whiteglove when that cupboard was opened...and to anyone who had to clean all that garbage!

  14. RolandRB

    RolandRB Rest in Peace

    You are not allowed to build a fortified building in the UK without permission from the Crown Estate.

    And there would not have been the ruins of a castle there because the history of it would have been known. It would have been in the Doomsday Book for a start.
  15. Axiom142

    Axiom142 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Which I believe I said. :)

  16. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    As I recall there are no planning rules against building a castle. IIRC
    they copied Hever ? castle in Kent.
  17. HAPInoose

    HAPInoose Patron

    Came across this photo today which roughly correlates with the time period being discussed. So many faces I'd forgotten about... Seeing Ken Warren's big head alone is enough to make me smile...

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  18. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Well, well. For quite some time I've been trying to think of the name of the person who audited me at Saint Hill in the 1990s and it just wouldn't come to mind. Then today, completely out of the blue, I got a name - Liz Cotton.

    I did a google search on "scientology liz cotton" and this thread came up!

    Apart from being relieved that I came up with her name I've also enjoyed reading this thread so I thought I'd give it a bump.
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  19. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    I remember the day she arrived to start her "career" in the SO.
  20. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    After I'd gone back to my local org she sent me a nice letter asking how I was doing. I wrote back to her as a friend would tell another friend what was going on in their life. Then I got a letter from a reg saying she had passed my letter to him and he wanted me to contact him to discuss my next action!

    I still remember the feeling of betrayal but now I'm out I can understand why she did it. I hope she woke up eventually and got out but I doubt it.