Stably exterior with full perception

[Alanzo]

Fascinating story, Alan.

Maybe they weren't bald-faced lies.

 

[Alanzo]

In the 1950's there was a doomsday cult in America where the leader had been preaching to his followers for years the exact date and time of the end of the world. They all believed it, and they all prepared for the day when the world would end.

When the exact date and time came and went, and the world was still here, none of the followers questioned the leader. Instead, they thought up reasons why the end of the world did not happen at that exact date and time, and why the leader was still right all along.

They changed the world to fit their existing beliefs.

 

[Veda]

I'd go more for the penchant for comedy and showmanship. And he picked the one night he'd get it wrong?

No one told him he got it wrong? Not saying I would have had the balls to do so.

Its an interesting illustration of his personal charisma etc.

And maybe our collective failure.

He was the fucking Commodore on HIS ship, he was the LAW, he was the savior of the universe, on a super ego trip - and it wasn't about "comedy." (Or TI's silly explanation, about his anchor points being somewhere else, around the right ship.)

Hubbard is your Guru, and TI's too. You both suckle at his divine teet, and hide that (yuck) detail behind a cloak of PR about "Thinking for yourself."

You'll never be able to sort out the "good stuff" from the "trap," because you are like children.

And if you weren't doing harm to good people with your bad advice and toxic silliness, I wouldn't even mention it.

You, and the other L. Ron-worshipping Freezoners, are not taking the subject forward, you are standing still in a puddle of Hubbard's drool, watching the needle float on your e-meters, and going "Wheee."

Thank goodness, not everyone who wishes to salvage the good bits and pieces of the subject is on the "short bus" to "total Wheedom."

 

[programmer_guy]

Later on only Fred Fairchild, Nev Chamberlin and I dare speak about it.

Okay... I'll bite. What did you all say to each other after that?

 

[lionheart]

My much more indirect experience of LRH than Alan's, confirms that LRH probably believed he was seeing the ferry and was showing off to his obedient Hubbardologists.

You certainly wouldn't have openly questioned him about his mistaken perception. I can just imagine the solidity descending on the poopers while they saw evidence of Hubbards dub-in sail past the window!

Like Alan said it would be an enormous withold. Question him and you would be betrayed, punished, S&Ded, sec checked or thrown over the ship.

It is amazing how these accounts of LRH's delusion and psychosis will slowly fade from living consciousness and how the Church will continue to elevate him to god-like superhuman.

I'm afraid some of the immediate responses on here to Alan's post are rather indicative of this trend.

Yes LRH had a mischevious sense of humour, but he was a liar, a bragger, a viscious man. All the evidence shows this. The Cof S and Hubbardites will contine to try to suppress this data. And eventually I expect they will succeed as personal co-workers of Ron's leave the scene.

A hundred years from now, I see a respectable CofS founded by a wonder-worker called Ron. Their founder will have been a perfect incarnation who walked this earth as did other great spiritual leaders like Jesus and Buddha. Gone will be any idea of dub-in, psychotic punishment and control. The founder will be "remembered" as uncompromising in his defeat of the world's enemies. But a wonderful, OT who was the kindest person the world has ever known.

The only way this will be prevented is if those of us here on the internet continue to calmly tell their true stories of the man and his deeds.

 

[Dulloldfart]

..."total Wheedom."

That's clever, Veda.

Paul

 

[Terril park]

I doubt if anyone can really grasp how utterly dangerous and psychotic the environment was during the 1968-69 period........the Original Class VIII course was right smack in the middle of that time.

I lived in London during the "blitz" - it was no where near as dangerous as those times......the force, charge, betrayal and psychic violence was horrendous.

LRH was screaming at people day in day out, your friends were betraying you, people you trusted became your enemy. People were being thrown overboard for the slightest infraction.

It was a brutal course delivered in the mood level of fury.....it set the standard for today.

That course broke so many, many people.

It violated ALL Codes.

It set Domination and Subjugation in place.

It made the darkside right.

It empowered the darkside.

Now that was some great PT force, charge and mass to confront!!!

Great 3rd dynamic bull-baiting.

Also a great course on how to survive with thousands of wrong items and wrong answers.

Through it all -the motto was: "Thou shalt not be a victim!"

Just pull out your correction lists and start locating and indicating.

Alan

I have never seen this portrayed as such a desparate time before. Don't think I've heard an eyewitness account in fact. Of course I heard of the overboardings.

It comes across as a sort of very tough boot camp.

You have posted years ago elsewhere that a high proportion of class VIIIs
came through your missions, and with what seemed well deserved pride.

As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, the great missions were built up largely by the people on this course. You yourself were instrumental in
that great movement, until the time of the takeover around 14 years after this course.

If you could do it all over again would you miss this out?

Were the people who were broken fixed up?

 

[Terril park]

You'll never be able to sort out the "good stuff" from the "trap," because you are like children.

And if you weren't doing harm to good people with your bad advice and toxic silliness, I wouldn't even mention it.

You, and the other L. Ron-worshipping Freezoners, are not taking the subject forward, you are standing still in a puddle of Hubbard's drool, watching the needle float on your e-meters, and going "Wheee."

Thank goodness, not everyone who wishes to salvage the good bits and pieces of the subject is on the "short bus" to "total Wheedom."

Your mewlings and whinings far better deserve the label " toxic silliness".

There is an organisation that smashed the might of the mission Network.
That rang rings around the intelligence agencies of the US and other countries for quite some time. It has used its legal financial and intelligence
and public relations arms to attack the Freezone for very many years. It is deeply funded. Happy to spend 10 years in legal battles to stop David Mayo expanding the Freezone, as one example. It has struck fear into the hearts of people world wide with its activities over decades.

Here is an example of its public relations efforts.

http://www.freezonesurvivors.to/

This has the grand total of fifteen people alledgedly not happy with their services in the freezone. The first listed had his human rights violated by not being given a receipt for a book bought!

"There was selling of books, materials, courses without any documents or receipts – the money was just put in the pockets. This also means that there no taxes were paid on this money. Just imagine the condition of the person who bit by bit collects money from his “student salary” and, as a result, he has no confirmation at all that he gave the money and nobody is responsible for this. In other words, because of this money these people destroyed his human rights."

This is all that the might of the COS can dig up. This too is " Toxic Silliness".

 

[beyond_horizons]

LRH does not turn his head but stares straight us and proceeds to give us how he is exterior with full perceptics - and describes the ferry, etc. He was really puffed up with his ability to demonstrate his exterior with full perceptics.

The only problem was that night a tug boat towing a garbage scow was went past the windows.

We all witnessed it - the emperor was naked!!!

You gotta love the internet in this 1st century. The Bloopers don't lie!

I believe Mayo tried to do and say the right things for the right reasons. Notice that he's not part of that 'Freezone' as in "Ron's org" movement today no matter how Terril would try to spin it with his conspiracy projections! It would appear that Terril needs to project hubbard's identity in order to exist and feel important as a halfway house 'Greeter and Welcomer' for the exodus!

But this confirms allot of what I've felt and observed over the years about the effects of standard tech and TR's. If the guy's tech produced to the extent that he tried to hype it back in the days of communications by 'Snail Mail' and 'Morris code', the Braille Institute would have picked up on various aspects of that standard tech and today be paving the pathway for hubbo's tech into mainstream.

In this case we have the internet and 'Emma' to thank for providing the means and a platform to contrast and for all to really see went and tries to go on in a box that hubbard built called scientology.

Alan as I said before, you do the right thing for the right reasons and the intricacies and nuances of the whole affair gets clearer and clearer every day.

I'd send you a check just for posting here but unlike Terril's 'Freezone' I suspect you’re not in it for donations!

 

[beyond_horizons]

No one told him he got it wrong? Not saying I would have had the balls to do so.

Its an interesting illustration of his personal charisma etc.

And maybe our collective failure.

You need to run out being the effect of charisma!

 

[OHTEEATE]

For Alan

Alan, This is publicly asked so it can be of historical value. You were there, and I have seen that you tell accounts accurately. A source told me some events relayed to her by Peaches Arave, later Pook, Ron Pook, Allen Kapuler, and Virginia Kapuler(former Virginia Arave), Rex Arave, their daughter Deanna Arave. They were all on the Apollo during the original Class VIII course period, all in the SO. Can you detail what was the scene with overboarding, the chain locker, and was there in fact any keel hauling? I'd like to clear up the keelhauling bit, as it was raised on XSO and is now up to the survivors to straighten out. Allen Kapuler was in the SO a short time and then back to Missions. Did you know he and Virginia well? Mike

 

[beyond_horizons]

You need to run out being the effect of charisma!

To help you out with this, first answer the following question before you attempt to run the process;

Where does this "charisma" manifest on your hubbo tone scale?

 

[Dulloldfart]

Where does this "charisma" manifest on your hubbo tone scale?

It doesn't. I remember reading something by the man saying charisma was simply the rare quality of having all your attention right there in present time.

Hubbard was famous for it, with people who met him saying he made them feel like they were the only person in the whole world, giving them his undivided attention, etc.

Paul

 

[RolandRB]

It doesn't. I remember reading something by the man saying charisma was simply the rare quality of having all your attention right there in present time.

Hubbard was famous for it, with people who met him saying he made them feel like they were the only person in the whole world, giving them his undivided attention, etc.

Paul

And THEN he ordered them to be overboarded.

Praise be to Source

 

[Alan]

Alan, This is publicly asked so it can be of historical value. You were there, and I have seen that you tell accounts accurately. A source told me some events relayed to her by Peaches Arave, later Pook, Ron Pook, Allen Kapuler, and Virginia Kapuler(former Virginia Arave), Rex Arave, their daughter Deanna Arave. They were all on the Apollo during the original Class VIII course period, all in the SO.

Can you detail what was the scene with overboarding, the chain locker, and was there in fact any keel hauling?

I'd like to clear up the keelhauling bit, as it was raised on XSO and is now up to the survivors to straighten out.

There was no keel Hauling. (Ever.)

The chain locker incidents occured outside the Class VIII course.

The scene with overboarding on the Original Class VIII Course was if an auditor did not get an F/N on their pc at examiner - they were thrown overboard.

We would line up on the well-deck in the morning at 8.00 am - LRH would look down from the deck above and announce who would be thrown overboard.

He was surrounded by his Aides. Also he was recording all of this on camera.....the psychos were laughing at the spectacle.

I remember looking up at them - I was staring into the face of shear madness and evil.

Usually 8 to 10 people were thrown overboard each morning.

It was about a 30 foot drop into a filthy feces laden water from the other ships and the Apollo directly releasing their sewage into the channel.

Allen Kapuler was in the SO a short time and then back to Missions. Did you know he and Virginia well?

Mike

Yes.

They were both in bad shape while they were in the SO........they saw too much truth and tried to deny it.

I don't believe they ever could face up to what they truly witnessed.

It was demonic.....LRH was demonic and the whole scene was demonic.

This was October 1968.

Alan

 

[Emma]

Fascinating stuff Alan!

There was deathly silence in the room - the room went very solid. No one looked at another.

I can imagine how it must have been. I've witnessed similar types of silences when a new OTV or similar comes back to the local Org just to have a car accident or get sick something very "un OT". Or when someone gives an incredulous success story, painting a picture of wondrous abilities that, if you knew the person, you knew to be pure BS.

People just go silent. I know I did. I think it's your mind trying to perform the mental gymnastics required to "fix" the obvious contradictions between what you "know" and what you are actually seeing.

Enough of these "silences" and people (some) eventually wake up.

 

[Alan]

It doesn't. I remember reading something by the man saying charisma was simply the rare quality of having all your attention right there in present time.

Hubbard was famous for it, with people who met him saying he made them feel like they were the only person in the whole world, giving them his undivided attention, etc.

Paul

There are two types of Charisma.

One is a beautiful powerful psychic ability: It is used to free the beings attention spiritually, mentally and physically.

The other is a destructive psychic weapon: It is used to fixate attention and blanket the being, spiritually, mentally and physically.

They are of course almost exactly the same only if used positively - your mood level soars, you action level responds without reservation....you focus totally on your own interest lines and own goals.

The negative weaponary produces the exact opposite....you lose your focus, interest and own goals and will begin to dramatize the interests and goals of the trance maker.

Alan

 

[The Oracle]

Good god - that's depressing!

It was meant to depress you.

 

[programmer_guy]

Alan,

Just outta curiousity, was Mary Corydon ever overboarded? (Or were you not there when she was there?)

 

[Alan]

I have never seen this portrayed as such a desparate time before. Don't think I've heard an eyewitness account in fact. Of course I heard of the overboardings.

It comes across as a sort of very tough boot camp.

You have posted years ago elsewhere that a high proportion of class VIIIs
came through your missions, and with what seemed well deserved pride.

About 68% of all Class VIIIs up to 1977 came through my Missions.

There have been very few made since - so the percentage would still be quite high.

As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, the great missions were built up largely by the people on this course. You yourself were instrumental in
that great movement, until the time of the takeover around 14 years after this course.

True - but much evolution has occured since then.

Also the darkside was exposed by the FBI raid and the indictments then the subsequent imprisonments.

Once the crack occured - more and more criminality came to view.

The internet has allowed people to piece many areas of harm that had been continuously withheld.

If you could do it all over again would you miss this out?

Not really, I would not have missed it - it triggered so much to confront - so much case - so much charge, force and mass - I had to find the correct answers and items to.

You do not often get to witness the rise and fall of an empire.

Hoards of demonics do not bother me any more.

Great lessons learned.

Were the people who were broken fixed up?

No, most were broken and went into hiding.

Too charged to even make any contact with the area.

A lot to be responsible for.

The loss of ones dreams and reach is a huge loss and many solve that by never daring to dream and reach out again.

The XSO list and this list has been a tremendous help to me as many areas I had questions in - I got the answers to.

Alan