Stably exterior with full perception

[pinkblain]

I have exteriorization too!

Hello all!

I want to share some details of thing that scientologits call "exteriorization".
When I was involved I have practiced some methodics of scientology to obtain this "higher state of mind". And I have obtained them several times...
Now can describe it like "distorted space and look" with almost all memory
"breaking". Thinking is very difficult and memory like isn't with me.
I was really breaked from mind whatt fucking happended with me? These states were several times.
After some time I have realized from other than "holy $" sources that it was like dissociation state. And what I can say that it happends sometimes even now. So? Operative? "Exteriorized"? Have you ever thought that it is just inly
thing that is well known in hypnotists environment? And it is dangerous.
Hubbard is genually perverted (as many other things as well) all hypnotic methodics. He said that his (HIS!!!) adepts must do methodics by THEMSELFES that dissociate them.
And what you get when you are dissociated? You aren't you! Real "soul" raw
meat. To form anything from it. And many ex-ers as I think suffer from symptoms of dissociation that happends occasionly of from reactivating thing.

Hubbard is genious of hypnosis! He discovered how to hide hypnosis methodics. How to use covert hiden hypnosis and dissociative state. So...
you don't need to have all feelings in dissociated state ... you need to be yourself. Not dissociated. And all shit of "clearing" and removing parts of
identity. Think for yourself. If you remove all parts of you who will be in your head? Of cause, mr. hubbard.
He used many clever tricks that was researched nearly 50s. And perverted them in way to control ppl. As much you "exteriorizes" (i.e. enters in TRANCE state in real) , get auditing and so on.... as much you begin easily hypnotized more and more.

 

[Alan]

Duh!

And the alternative is?
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[Zinjifar]

Duh!

And the alternative is?

Which one?

There are thousands, or, maybe more correctly, over 6.5 billion.

Zinj

 

[Romuva]

Pinkblane,it's sorting that out that is the hardest but I believe the
hypnosis in auditing idea is accurate.The euphoria people experience
afterwards was something I had questions about.


Keep posting and working this stuff out for yourself.

 

[Alan]

Its the easiest!

It is the lack of euphoria you should have questions about!

Granted euphoria usually turns on at the end of game phenomena.....but it is not incorrect or is it a trance state.

Alan
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[Romuva]

Alan both times I had auditing it wore off after 2 weeks..I felt almost
euphoric almost to the point that it was like being a manic..So what was
this? It could of been of hypnosis or a semi-trance state.but honestly
I have no idea what the hell it was..that is just my experience.




Why do other ex-scis talk about similar experiences.States not being
stable ,OT levels that really brought about nothing but there is always
a readily available explaination.Something a person didn't do.

It's not to say there is some stuff in Sci that some people find helpful.

I just never saw a permanent state in any scientologist I saw.Maybe some
short-term benefit but the claims Hubbard made didn't seem apparent in
the Scis I knew.and then I read here and other websites accounts that
confirm that..

Alot of it goes back to Hubbard and taking a look at certain facts about him.
One of which is he was a science fiction writer.It's alot of why people suspend their beliefs.Hubbard makes it convincing,he's a great persuader.

 

[Alan]

Alan both times I had auditing it wore off after 2 weeks..I felt almost
euphoric almost to the point that it was like being a manic..So what was
this? It could of been of hypnosis or a semi-trance state.but honestly
I have no idea what the hell it was..that is just my experience.

When you get free from something you were trapped in - you tend to zoom upscale. There is a sudden mood jump upward.

Why do other ex-scis talk about similar experiences.States not being
stable ,OT levels that really brought about nothing but there is always
a readily available explaination.Something a person didn't do.

It's not to say there is some stuff in Sci that some people find helpful.

I just never saw a permanent state in any scientologist I saw.Maybe some
short-term benefit but the claims Hubbard made didn't seem apparent in
the Scis I knew.and then I read here and other websites accounts that
confirm that..

Alot of it goes back to Hubbard and taking a look at certain facts about him.
One of which is he was a science fiction writer.It's alot of why people suspend their beliefs.Hubbard makes it convincing,he's a great persuader.

I really don't know what Hubbard has to say in an individuals session - a session is between you and the processor - true there are multiple outside influences. But the session either is going right or its not.

Outside session - either your life is going right or its not.

Again I repeat - almost all of you since 1966-67 have not run the processes to full End Product.

The 3rd step of the process sequence has been omitted.

1st Step........Not done in Scio. Usually a substitute for you is processed. It should be the true spiritual YOU that gets the processing and you then put order in your mind then body then the PT universe.

2nd Step - You put order and sequence in your mind.

3rd step - You go into your body and life and produce your intended effect. That can take how ever long it takes.

Life is ever changing and things move in and out.......thus you often do not produce your intended effect or result.

Go back to 1st step - repeat cycle until you can do all steps.

Alan
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[beyond_horizons]

When you get free from something you were trapped in - you tend to zoom upscale. There is a sudden mood jump upward.

There are 3 manifestations that are similar but different caused by different situations;

1. euphoria
2. exhilaration
3. the glee of insanity

These days I tend to be stably exhilarated with bursts of euphoria after freeing myself from that glee of insanity, aka scientology!

 

[OHTEEATE]

OT

Alan is correct. The proof of the pudding, the real ability gained, has to be something you can do, every day, from here on out, in or out of your body. It takes practice. It is NOT done after releases or OT levels. It is "on to the next" pre-OT level to get more GI and VSD for the ORG(value of service delivered is one of the key stats of the org and determines the Financial planning for the week). The idea is, you cannot go OT with your pre-OT case intact so rush through to OT 7 completion so YOU can be made into an OT. See "The Nature of a Being" bulletin for the non-confidential explanation of this. After spending over $100,000 AFTER OT 8 completion, to get back onto OT 7 Expanded, (10 years later)and getting almost back on THREE times, I rejoined the Sea Org. 4 months later, my wife and I were completely out of Scientology. Talk about exiting on a loss! But it got really turned around when we realized what a blessing in disguise exiting was.
I'm interested to see what OT 8 Expandeds, when they do Super Power and OT 9 and 10, will DO with it. Having the abilities is meaningless. Using them correctly is everything.

 

[Tanstaafl]

I'm interested to see what OT 8 Expandeds, when they do Super Power and OT 9 and 10, will DO with it. Having the abilities is meaningless. Using them correctly is everything.

Don't hold your breath. An LRH quote was put into some promo a few years back where LRH claimed his folders for OTIX alone were greater than for the rest of the Bridge beneath it.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Don't hold your breath. An LRH quote was put into some promo a few years back where LRH claimed his folders for OTIX alone were greater than for the rest of the Bridge beneath it.

LRH quotes in promo don't always precisely match reality.

Paul

 

[Tanstaafl]

LRH quotes in promo and reality don't always precisely match.

Paul

I doubt there is any way of verifying this one. I mentioned this particular "quote" as it struck me as curious. Would all those who spent 10 years plus on Solo NOTS get highly motivated by the prospect that they had at least as much to do again for just the next level?

I wouldn't give too much credence to anything "new" that wasn't released in LRH's handwriting.

 

[Vinaire]

Correct sequence

Again I repeat - almost all of you since 1966-67 have not run the processes to full End Product.

The 3rd step of the process sequence has been omitted.

1st Step........Not done in Scio. Usually a substitute for you is processed. It should be the true spiritual YOU that gets the processing and you then put order in your mind then body then the PT universe.

2nd Step - You put order and sequence in your mind.

3rd step - You go into your body and life and produce your intended effect. That can take how ever long it takes.

Life is ever changing and things move in and out.......thus you often do not produce your intended effect or result.

Go back to 1st step - repeat cycle until you can do all steps.

Alan

That makes sense to me.

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[Vinaire]

A thetan does not have a location.

Then what does being exterior mean?

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[Alan]

A thetan does not have a location.

Theta has no location.

Thetan is an LRH substitute Identity for a Spiritual Being and is located.

Then what does being exterior mean?

Well if your viewpoint of you is in the inside of your head......then being bigger or outside your head is exterior.

But if you are bigger than the physical universe.....then going into the physical universe is interiorizing.

Alan
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[Vinaire]

I remember a time when i was feeling wonderful and at the top of the world. I asked myself, "Where am I?"

I didn't find myself holding the consideration that I was inside my head.

"Oh! so I am exterior," I thought. That was well and good. But the next moment this thought occured to me, "Then, where am I considering myself to be now?"

"In the MEST universe," the answer came.

Boy! did that as-is something!!!

I could not control my laughter.

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[TheSneakster]

not important

 

[Veda]

Sure he does. He is a viewpoint of dimension, solely because he considers that he *IS*.

Then he extends points to view, which are at whatever distance he decides they are from himself and with whatever properties he decides, thus creating the space in which he considers himself to be located.

When he starts moving these dimension points around, but also considers that they have present and past locations, he gets *time*.

The Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures of 1952 covered this whole idea very well starting with The Factors and expanding upon them in several other lectures.

Theta with no location at all and with no consideration of BEING, is not a "thetan", my friend. At least not in very basic and fundamental Scientology theory.

The Sneakster

Some background re. 'The Factors', and the 'Philadelphia Doctorate Course':

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/yoga/8yoga6.html

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=9327&postcount=22

 

[Vinaire]

Location is by consideration only.

I like Crowley's materials. I read his "8 lectures on Yoga" sometime back. I may review them again.

Here is a part of my website dedicated to Crowley:

http://www.geocities.com/vinaire/Religion/Crowley/Cindex.htm

About the thetan having a location, it is only by consideration. He CONSIDERS to have a location, so he has a location. If he recognizes that consideration, then he as-ises that location, and probably moves back to some earlier consideration of location.

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[Alan]

About the thetan having a location, it is only by consideration. He CONSIDERS to have a location, so he has a location. If he recognizes that consideration, then he as-ises that location, and probably moves back to some earlier consideration of location.

Spirita 101.

Spirit or Spirita the pure essence of spirit which is a formless substance - which was alter-ised by LRH to create a substitute subject called Scientology to "theta."

This next text is converted to Hubbardese to elucidate to those who only know Hubbardese as a language!

Theta to become a Thetan is a creation - a creation can be brought into being by a consideration - or postulate - which is a type of consideration - at which point you have space, time, energy and a smidgen of mass.

Alan
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