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Staff pay.

Discussion in 'Staff "War Stories"' started by Outethicsofficer, Jun 9, 2009.

  1. Outethicsofficer

    Outethicsofficer Silver Meritorious Patron

    This is inside skinny!

    How do they afford to cover costs such as food for the staff, AOSH ANZO, well when there is not enough $GI generated during the week, staff pay would go toward paying for food for the crew, staff allowance, as meager as it is, is not paid to the staff, too bad if you needed personal items that week.:itstrue:
    Yet David Miscavige dines in style, rides with Tom C and parties on the Freewinds. Go f**king figure!:wtf:

    All in the name of "Saving The Planet" they can't even save themselves for christ sake!
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2009
  2. Sir Facer

    Sir Facer Patron with Honors

    Go figure

    Yes, this is an interesting post, especially when in the SO you are rarely paid and you are one lucky SO member if you have a stash no one knows about.

    As long as anything that creates good PR is paid for, such as lavish events, beautiful buildings etc well then thats okay isn't it.

    I laugh at the fact that if you want something lavish for yourself, well then of course you would be PTS to the middle class, Go Figure that one too!
  3. DCAnon

    DCAnon Silver Meritorious Patron

    Living Wages for Sea Org and Staff!
  4. FinallyFree

    FinallyFree Gold Meritorious Patron

    david miscavige lives a life of luxury even the public scientologists aren't aware of. He also has luxury cars, a motor cycle (or more?) this is a man who is living high on the hog while condemning those who work for him. Those that work at Gold are treated horribly. I don’t know how someone could live the life that dwarf lives while surrounded by all those S.O. members he is basically torturing and holding as either prisoners or hostages (think BFG’s sister, or the dwarf’s wife). He is a CRIMINAL. THAT IS NOT YOUR MONEY david miscavige. YOU ARE AN EMBEZZLER. YOU ARE A THIEF. YOU ARE A CRIMINAL. AND YOUR TIME IS COMING.
  5. Telepathetic

    Telepathetic Gold Meritorious Patron

    This makes me feel sick. :ohmy:

  6. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I spent 7.5 years on staff, and I was very aware that I would not make money doing it - at first. But

    I always thought that I could make it go right and be able to afford my own modest little apartment, my own used car, and enough money to feed myself and even have a family - as long as the wife worked a wog job.

    I chose that willingly because I wanted to live a life that mattered more than one that only made money.

    And to me at the time, living a life that mattered meant being on staff, fighting the good fight, whether it made me money or not.

    What I did not know, because I was constantly being lied to about it, was that NO ONE EVER MADE MONEY WHILE ON STAFF. No one ever made enough money to support a modest apartment and a used car. All around the world, no one ever made a living wage as a staff member for the Church of Scientology.

    Sure, maybe one week you got a few hundred dollars - that would be all you heard about, because to say anything else was "enemy line" and "out-ethics". So you kept your mouth shut about your own staff pay and you lied to new recruits in order to get them to join staff. Maybe then, after they joined, you would have a staff big enough to make it go right so that everyone got paid a living wage.

    Whenever I was in a position of authority, enough to decide where the expenses went, I always ensured that staff were paid. And I got in lots of fights over it. If the staff sum for that week said that each staff made 53 cents, then I wrote each check out for 53 cents and passed them around.

    What was most important to me in the first half of my life was living a life that mattered.

    Making money was junior to that.

    Here in the second half of my life, I have re-affirmed that living a life that matters is still the most important thing.

    But now that I'm an ex-Scientologist, it means that I can finally live a life that matters, and make money, too!

    To all staff members - I know why you did it.

    You did it for all the right reasons.

    You tried your best to make it go right. But it was never going to happen. The game was rigged to trick you into giving up years of your life so that you would work for free.

    So what.

    Live a life that matters anyway.
  7. FinallyFree

    FinallyFree Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you Alanzo. :hug:

    So true. :sadsigh:

    I thinkt he most I made in a period of a year in ym 7 years on staff was $7,000 I can check but I believe that was the most. $7,000 - in a year. :nervous:
  8. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    And you worked at LA Org, right?

    "The Continental Org"

    I think the most I ever made in a year's time was around $3500.

    That's less than $300 per month. And that was the best year ever.

    I would say that was just about above average mission pay. I don't know about Stevens Creek and San Fransisco and some of the "bigger" missions at the time.

    Can anyone else verify what they made?
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2009
  9. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    The main problem with Scientology staff was the false choice you were given:

    Making Money


    Living a life that was "on-purpose"

    It's not one or the other.

    You can live a life that is on purpose and make money, too.

    Just not while you are a Scientologist in good standing with the Church of Scientology.
  10. FinallyFree

    FinallyFree Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yeppers. The “Premiere, Show Piece Class V Model Org” that went “St. Hill Size”! :puke2: :bs:

    Yeah right. After we went St. Hill size, with out any book commissions, the most I made was a little over $100 – and I was a Div Head!
  11. FinallyFree

    FinallyFree Gold Meritorious Patron

    Which makes me want to ask: Do you ALL know that LA Day NEVER actually went St. Hill Size???? I don't know which was the bigger missed with hold - the one we had from "Int Mangmt" or the one we had on the public. But LA Day NEVER made St. Hill size :no: - it's all a lie.
  12. Wisened One

    Wisened One Crusader

    Yeah, it's really sickening...isn't it? :storm:
  13. justaguy

    justaguy Patron Meritorious

    This is the one thing that, back in the day, convinced me that Scientology was, in fact, a cult.

    With very few exceptions, one of the definining characteristics of a cult is that the members put themselves in poverty so that the leader can get rich.

    It's sick.
  14. clamicide

    clamicide Gold Meritorious Patron

    But they had shiny promo that said things like "Where Your Donations Go"! And Ron got rich selling his fiction books....NOT from the cult. Oh my. Delusion was grand. :keelover:
  15. Ted

    Ted Gold Meritorious Patron

    Right on, Alanzo!

    Summation in bold, above. :thumbsup:
  16. FinallyFree

    FinallyFree Gold Meritorious Patron

    The only reason I was able to be on staff was that I was financially supported by my Mom. I personally know of a staff member who got to the point that he was going to Wendy’s burgers, stealing the saltine crackers and ketchup packets for his only meal. This person’s entire family was “up-lines” and Int S.O. members – so high profile that us staff members weren’t allowed to know who his parents were. I used to feed that staff member – well technically my Mom did . He later got an inheritance from his grandmother and left staff. I truly hope he is doing better than when I knew him.
  17. Ted

    Ted Gold Meritorious Patron

    I don't get it.

    That's nearly $10 per day.

    What are you complaining about? :roflmao:
  18. uncle sam

    uncle sam Silver Meritorious Patron

    for a while

    I used to eat -left over restaurant food scraps - for my meals when - I was in HCO-as an org staff member. Then I became a reg and ate all my meals at restaurants---funny how that works.
  19. Axiom142

    Axiom142 Gold Meritorious Patron

    I’m afraid I’ll have to disagree with you on that one Alanzo old chap (actually I’m rather relieved to be disagreeing, as I’ve agreed with him on a couple of other points and I was getting worried that I might have slipped into his valence).

    Some people did make a good living out of Scientology. Well obviously there was Elron himself and a few of his immediate cronies and of course there is li’l Davey who by all accounts lives a life of unparalleled luxury, in the Sea Org at least.

    But, I have know of a few who have managed to rake in a fair amount of cash while ‘doing the greatest good’. I remember one cold, miserable night around Nov ’86, sitting in a dimly lit and pokey office in CLO at St Hill, while trying to decide where our meagre resources should be allocated, along with the other members of the FP (Financial Planning) committee. It was quite obvious that we would be lucky to get £5 each staff pay for that week (again) and then the son of one of the Tours Org reges, who had been listening in, piped up with the rather depressing boast that his dad (David Beal) regularly made £500 a week from book commissions. This was more than I had made in the last 6 months, so you can imagine how that made us feel.

    Later, I learnt that David Beal had been ‘cooking the books’ and had left the SO under a cloud, which didn’t surprise me at all.

    There have also been a few other staff members who were very good at finding the right public and getting them to buy various things, usually ‘materials’ which gave them a 10% commission. Most of these seem to have left the CoS under dubious circumstances as well. Hmmm – there’s a bit of a pattern emerging here!

    But, the fact that I can only think of a handful out of several hundred, does rather back up Alanzo’s post (damn!) in that if you want to work as a Scientology staff member, you had better be prepared to give up any hope of financial reward and in many cases, consign yourself to a life of poverty.

    When I was in the SO, the minimum wage was set at £23 per week. On top of this, we were supposed to get all our food and accommodation, clothes, laundry and any other necessities and have the chance of earning bonuses if we ‘produced’.

    In reality, the average was between £5 and £10 and out of this, we had to buy our own clothes (and pay to clean them at the launderette) and buy any ‘treats’, toiletries or any other things that made life more bearable. Unless you had another source of income, this just wasn’t enough to survive on and after less than a year, I’d had enough.

  20. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I guess I'm just nattering again.

    I probably didn't even deserve $10 per day, even on my best days, I was so downstat and so out-ethics all the time.

    See, I really believed that the reason my pay was so low was because of ME. It was some out-ethics situation I was involved in, or some overt that I'd committed. At the most charitable times, my poverty could be explained by "lack of hatting".

    But at no time did anyone ever tell me, "Look Alanzo. You are never going to be able to have an apartment and your own car, even if you have roomates and even if you buy a 15 year old AMC Pacer. You will never make enough money to live on as a staff member. Nobody does."

    Instead, it was "Well what is your out-ethics situation that is keeping you from making enough money to live on? My God! Everyone else is living it up on the pay they make! Staff members EVERYWHERE are making good pay, really good. Just read what LRH has to say about it!"

    And then they'd set down this pack of lies from LRH that is designed to give you the inexorable Scientology "cognition" that it is ALL YOU, and nobody else.

    "Nobody ELSE is poverty-stricken on staff!"

    So yeah. ten bucks per day for 7.5 years. That's $27,375!!! For 7.5 years worth of work, yes. But it's still $27,375 from staff pay!

    But that was the best year of staff pay.

    The rest were probably less than $2500 per year.

    I know. I'm nattering again.

    It's me.

    I did it.

    It's all my fault.

    I take full responsibility for it.

    I'm just a natterer. Need to find my overts and missed wittholds...keep going on my 8 year old FPRD...Do Repair of Past Ethics Conditions for the 50th time...Go to the Ship for an "OT Debug".....Do my OT Levels....Do my L's....Get trained as an Auditor....Do the Data Series Evaluator's Course....Do the Ethics Specialist Course....Get Fully Hatted....

    Hey! Have you ever noticed that the solution to me making more money as a staff member is ALWAYS PAYING MORE MONEY TO SCIENTOLOGY????