Steve and Ariel Spargo Declare Independence

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
This was a massive thing for Steve to do.

He's a good guy and I for one don't care that he still thinks of himself as a Scientologist. He's out of the Matrix and will find his own way from here.

ESMB is not the place for exes that don't immediately & 100% swing away from Scientology. It used to be. It isn't now. No judgement implied. It's just the way it is.

Edit:

I created this board for people just like Steve. Right now if I was in Steve's position I wouldn't post here.
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
Oh, I don't think it's that bad. :)

I'm not "ripping" Steve, quite the contrary. Many others aren't "ripping" him either.

If, after he's been out of the CofS for a while, he came here and attempted to do a PR "handling," with "ARC" and schmoozing, and Propaganda tech, then that would be a different matter.

Even then, I'd just add some information for the benefit of others; it won't involve any "ripping," although, if he's still a Scientologist, he'll likely regard the simple adding of information as an "attack."

That would be unfortunate, but I doubt Steve will become a Marty-ite on a mission to "handle" ESMB.

People who newly leave the CofS deserve a grace period - a few months at least.

I think most understand that. :kiss:

I'm talking about the immediate reception or discussion of people as they first leave.

I've started a thread here rather than derail this thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...argo-Declare-Independence&p=726558#post726558
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Which is better - to go to Marty's, and hear ever more extreme deification of Hubbard, based on lies, or to come here and hear the truth in all it's sordid and sometimes upsetting detail?

Which is better depends on who you talk to and where they are in their process.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Yes, it is an excellent report. That information will create an impact on still-in scientologists and that is a VERY good thing in my view. :thumbsup:
 

Happy Days

Silver Meritorious Patron
Good on Steve and Ariel Spargo. :thumbsup:

I know Steve and he's a dedicated Scientologist so not surprised he found his way to the Indie Camp and that's fine cause we all have to find our way out of this labyrith and it's not an easy journey.

Just love the mention of my ex, Snr CS Wayne Peachey, for his out tek and programming, looks like Wayne is violating his integrity, the auditor's code, and being bullied by RTC. My advise to Peachey is to grow a pair and join Steve in the Indie Camp. :biggrin:
 

Daisy

Patron with Honors
When I got out, I still believed in Hubbard for about 6 months. I read ocmb and just lurked for a year. There was some things written, that I couldn't get behind and I would be pissed if someone revealed OT 3 material. But after reading on my own everything I could , I got over all things Hubbard.

If marty's site had been there, I would have hung out on his site. Those on marty's site will start reading all sorts of things on the net. Some will break out sooner then others. They are adults, if they are uncomfortable with posting, I could understand. But they are reading.
 

Karen#1

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: People newly out of scientology & ESMB

I just received this from Steve Spargo.

I asked his permission to post on ESMB and he said "Sure ~~ go right ahead.

So this is posted with his full permission.
"



Karen:

A Change of Heart​
I have had time to settle down a bit and think through the Church issues and have come to a more reasonable and final position. I can give you the key outline here:

In the first case, the Church by way of unnecessary, technical arbitraries denied delivery to Ariel and I at a time when we were still willing to invest the required 50 years and $400,000+ (not counting IAS, Ideal Org, Super Power, CCHR, ABLE and materials).

Now we are outside the Church they will again deny us Scientology with their usual infiltrations and legal attacks to prevent us from starting a Scientology activity. This reveals the Church’s true position on Religious Freedom.

In the second case, I was talking to a woman whose family and children have not spoken to her for many years. The Church disconnected her for speaking out about some justice abuses. This is the Church’s version of Freedom of Speech and Right To Have A Family.

As I looked into her eyes and saw the suppressed tears as she talked about this, I felt so angry at the knowledge that in all the Church of Scientology there wasn’t a single Scientologist that would lift a finger to help this girl. Not even her own children.



Yes, now I know the monster my Church has become. In our selfish desires for immortality we have closed our eyes to the abuses and abandoned all the decent impulses we pretended we were serving.

So I withdraw any and every assurance I gave to people that I would not attack this Church. Part of my life’s work from now on will be shining the light on the human rights travesty that calls itself the Church of Scientology. It must be drastically reformed so all people can benefit from Scientology without interference from some para-military, thought-controlling management.



 
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LA SCN

NOT drinking the kool-aid
GAT 2 removes the final barrier to OT.

I'll see you on the other side of the Bridge, down the track, up the line and over the hill (10).

Oh, fantastic!!

GAT II then, is the light at the end of the tunnel!! :drool::whistling:

Wait - what's that sound? (train whistle)

Holy shit!! It's a locomotive!! Run for your lives!! :omg::shock:

Get ready for a lot more exes coming aboard!! :biggrin:
 

Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
Each time I come to this board I wonder if there is going to be another defection. I am disappointed very few times.

OMG! I thought you wrote defecation, not defection! Well, come to think of it, pretty much the same thing!

You say defection, I say defecation.....as the song goes. (actually, I don't think Gershwin wrote the lyrics quite like that)
 

LA SCN

NOT drinking the kool-aid
Re: People newly out of scientology & ESMB

I just received this from Steve Spargo.

I asked his permission to post on ESMB and he said "Sure ~~ go right ahead.

So this is posted with his full permission.
"
...

I am glad you are in comm with him.

Please, and with all due respect to him, ask him:

'Who wrote the materials, HCOB/HCOPL 's, on disconnection?'

'Who wrote the materials, HCOB/HCOPL 's, on Fair Game?'

'When were they written?'

Thank you.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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These are pretty typical statements, from Steve, for someone just out of the "Church." Time will tell whether he is simply passing through MartyWorld, or if he has taken up residence there.

Agreed.

The tech of that is fully covered on OT levels, in Ron's HCOB "PARTIAL BLOWS".
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Kookaburra

Gold Meritorious Patron
I know it was linked in the OP, but the real meat, and there is a LOT of it, is at the blog:

Spargo Story

http://spargostory.wordpress.com/

VERY well worth reading in its entirety.

Yes, I would say so. I just read page 1 and from what he says there, I see that the tech in Australia is way past being in the toilet, it's whoosh down the sewer pipe and is currently so far out to sea it will never be seen again.

Bye bye, CoS. :wave:

Congratulations and welcome to the real world, Steve and Ariel. :hifive:
 
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