Steve Hall's post on closed Indy Facebook group

[Jquepublic]

Just keep it simple and make it a black eye & maybe a broken nose. You don't need the legal trouble but punching someone on your own property... shoot the gun in the air and make'em shit their pants it might feel good too
But no need to buy another lawyer a new car.. Legal trouble ain't worth it

LOL you caught it before my edit. I changed body bag to ambulance because I know I'd lose my cool but I don't think I'm capable of murder.

But yeah, I'd inflict damage. I figure if I ever hit someone on the other side of this "war" we wage, I'm going to jail so I'd better make it hurt.

 

[Smilla]

This whole thing pisses me off. I want nothing but the best for each INDIVIDUAL but I cannot say the same holds true of any group. In light of Steve's outburst, Marty's message to OSA staff takes on a far more sinister tone than I thought initially.

Just to be perfectly clear, the first self-appointed ethics officer who shows up on my doorstep intent of "putting my ethics in" is going home in an ambulance.
Believe it.

They are both still in the Sea Org as far as I know.

All they've done is withdraw from Miscavige a bit.

Everything else is still in place.

 

[Jquepublic]

They are both still in the Sea Org as far as I know.

All they've done is withdraw from Miscavige a bit.

Everything else is still in place.

Yes, I think you're right. Rathbun is still wearing his "IG Ethics" hat and now it's escalated to the point where he feels perfectly justified in speaking to and covertly threatening OSA staff as if they were still his juniors. Since he cannot possibly guarantee legal immunity, the only thing he can be talking about is Scientological immunity...and if he's still assuming the authority, he's prepared to dole out punishment.

Crazy cult is crazy. Period, end of, all she wrote.

 

[Dulloldfart]

and if he's still assuming the authority, he's prepared to dole out punishment.

Those trained attack-BTs again?

Paul

 

[Jquepublic]

Those trained attack-BTs again?

Paul

I do love that image! I imagine them to look like the adipose from the Whoverse, only with fangs and pitchforks.

 

[Smilla]

Here's something to think about:

One of our regular Scientology Apologist/Defender/Protectors, knows what nasty stuff was said about Emma on the Facebook Freakout page, is quite unperturbed by it, and passes little comment on it - instead going into cult defence mode.

The Cult Defender seems disinterested apart from that.

But when the circumstances of Mike Hobson's departure from here is discussed - accurately (and with a chuckle, it must be said) she goes into self-righteous indignation mode, and defends him from us 'bad' people.

What does that tell you?

I'm very clear in my own mind what it means to me.

All credibility gone.

 

[Goodbye]

But if you were to help that guy get into a better state, where would you aim if not on the painful incidents?

I have to admit I have serious difficulties considering helping those who chop up people under false pretenses. I think this thread may be a good wake-up call. I have no agenda to stop anyone from doing Scientology, but many Ex-S.O.s still have other fish to fry they think everybody needs to be involved in, and guess who would in charge? They got the obnoxious 25-year headfuck at CO$ and it's still being played out.

 

[Fancy]

So did my mom.

Barb

My folks died a while back. Before they passed, they did know that I'd left CofS. That was a good thing.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I do love that image! I imagine them to look like the adipose from the Whoverse, only with fangs and pitchforks.

Maybe



(just trying out a free iPad drawing app).

Paul

 

[MissWog]

They are both still in the Sea Org as far as I know.

All they've done is withdraw from Miscavige a bit.

Everything else is still in place.

Someone should re shoop this and replace Dave's head with Steve.. Add in Mike instead of Wilhere... The Religious [STRIKE]Technology[/STRIKE] Marty Center.
(on my iPad enjoying my MEST view and pool so I can't right now)

 

[loose cannon]

I have to admit I have serious difficulties considering helping those who chop up people under false pretenses. I think this thread may be a good wake-up call. I have no agenda to stop anyone from doing Scientology, but many Ex-S.O.s still have other fish to fry they think everybody needs to be involved in, and guess who would in charge? They got the obnoxious 25-year headfuck at CO$ and it's still being played out.

I understand that and I knew that people who had experienced a lot of pain because of Co$ would not like what I was about to write. But I think that one should be free enough to imagine whatever and if anybody can't, well there's something to improve. Condemning Co$ or it's people won't help much in that direction, however justified that grudge may be.

 

[Emma]

That's not exactly true. He wrote her and said he wanted to leave the forum and be unsubscribed. But he did start to delete his posts, yes. At some point in the past year, the settings have been changed so that people can't go back and delete old old posts. Admins can, of course, but members cannot.

Still, the fact remains that Mike made the decision to leave the forum first. He was not kicked out. Whether or not it's ok for him to subsequently delete his post content is between him and the forum owners, admins, etc. Too bad that his departure was announced.

Mike is a good guy. A bit of a brittle prickly pear, but that's just, you know, personality. He never claimed to be perfect and he wasn't perfect. I do not agree with him on everything and never will but I am not comfortable with the incorrect statements being made about him here.

I'm not sure what "incorrect" statement you've read, but I'd like to give you my "version".

Mike sent me a PM very early one morning (my time) demanding I remove his membership. I was asleep at the time. Then I woke & went to work without checking ESMB. I do that sometimes.

By the time I read his PM it was maybe 18 - 24 hours later and I thought "Oh dear, I better have a look at what's going on". I also made a conscious decision NOT to act on Mike's request then & there because 99% of the requests I've had to "delete my profile" get reversed. So while I was going through the threads to determine what had gone on I was informed that Hobson was deleting the content of all of his posts.

I had a look back through his posts, and sure enough they were being deleted, 1000s of them.

So I decided I would delete him. Not ban him because he wasn't "banned" but delete his profile completely as he was going to try to erase his history.

Then I was left with no choice BUT to announce this because how would it have looked if people started to notice that not only were his posts all gone, the content replaced with a short comment, but now he was no longer a member. Someone who posted as often as Hobson was going to be missed.

So yes, he *says* he wanted to leave quietly but he forced my hand. If he truly wanted to leave without a fuss why not just STOP POSTING. It's pretty easy to understand. If you don't want to be here DON'T READ and DON'T POST. Don't make me responsible for your decision to join & post for 4 years. You did that, not me. People without any self discipline tend to make me responsible and continue to post when they've decided they don't want to be here anymore and end up forcing a ban so it becomes my fault. Hobson was unusual in that he didn't force a ban, he forced a deletion and an announcement.

That gets old I tell ya.

 

[Smilla]

Someone should re shoop this and replace Dave's head with Steve.. Add in Mike instead of Wilhere... The Religious [STRIKE]Technology[/STRIKE] Marty Center.
(on my iPad enjoying my MEST view and pool so I can't right now)

Here are the fabulous choices currently on offer from Scientology.

1. Cof$, a mind-bending Cult led by a thug.
2. InDependents, a mind-bending Cult led by a thug.
3. FreeZone, a mind-bending Cult telepathically led by Elron Elray, who is currently occupying a doll body on the Galactic Patrol M-Ship.

Damn - it's so hard to choose. They all seem pretty cool.

 

[Goodbye]

They can't even see the base of the problem besides a crazed leader.

And that's the item used for manipulation, same type of panic drivel so characteristic of the IAS.

I doubt it makes any difference which jerk-off(s) run the church. Nothing to with me here and now.

I'm all for kicking DM's/Co$'s butt, but a delusion is being peddled that if he were removed from power this will somehow save the world. Same Koolaid really.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Let's have no leaders. (though we should enjoy the thoughts others share with us.)

 

[omnom]

So yes, he *says* he wanted to leave quietly but he forced my hand. If he truly wanted to leave without a fuss why not just STOP POSTING. It's pretty easy to understand. If you don't want to be here DON'T READ and DON'T POST. Don't make me responsible for your decision to join & post for 4 years. You did that, not me. People without any self discipline tend to make me responsible and continue to post when they've decided they don't want to be here anymore and end up forcing a ban so it becomes my fault. Hobson was unusual in that he didn't force a ban, he forced a deletion and an announcement.

I had some limited experience in a couple of venues reading his posts. Whenever I see his avatar, I still instinctively glance to the upper left to see if he tagged his post with a frowny-face or a thumbs-down image. It was typically one of the two.

To be perfectly honest, if that is the result of Scn, I don't want it. Constant upset, attention-seeking behavior, and inability to have rational discussion really turned me off. This is only my take after reading what he published to the world.

I'm sure he's a decent guy. For shit-sake, I've heard the same about Marty from someone who knows him. I would have zero issue sitting down and talking about anything or nothing over a beer - out here, we're individuals, and allowed to speak with people with whom we disagree. Yet another reason the ARC triangle is nonsense (I'd be down to discuss that too )

Crybaby antics and rage-quit is OK. Blaming someone else for it, in my opinion, is not.

 

[MissWog]

Let's just take away the tax status in the states and see how far both these groups get as tax paying corporations. Open up the books, make their financials public record and stop giving tax breaks for [STRIKE]services & training[/STRIKE] donations
I worry Marty wants to steal the pot o'gold from the little leprechaun.. Would saving the planet be so attractive to them with out the bank accounts too? I don't care.. I pay my taxes and so should Dave and the self help group that is not a church.

 

[omnom]

Let's have no leaders.

Wait - if I follow your lead, doesn't that create a paradox in that I'm following your lead? Therefore, I should not *not* have a leader, but I'm still being influenced by your statement, meaning I'm following your lead, and then...

Shit, my brain just broke.

 

[Anonycat]

Let's just take away the tax status in the states and see how far both these groups get as tax paying corporations. Open up the books, make their financials public record and stop giving tax breaks for [STRIKE]services & training[/STRIKE] donations
I worry Marty wants to steal the pot o'gold from the little leprechaun.. Would saving the planet be so attractive to them with out the bank accounts too? I don't care.. I pay my taxes and so should Dave and the self help group that is not a church.

I like this perspective.

ONE thing I've been waiting for, is for Marty to say: I've trained a ton of auditors, and they are just as capable as I am. That's the point of training auditors and expanding. Quit trying to counter growth by hounding me! So go find someone closer to where you live, and enjoy yourself!

 

[Smilla]

Wait - if I follow your lead, doesn't that create a paradox in that I'm following your lead? Therefore, I should not *not* have a leader, but I'm still being influenced by your statement, meaning I'm following your lead, and then...

Shit, my brain just broke.

Your brain is fine - it was just a thought stopping cliche, in the form of a Platitude.

"In George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, the fictional constructed language Newspeak is designed to reduce language entirely to a set of thought-terminating clichés. Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World society uses thought-terminating clichés in a more conventional manner, most notably in regard to the drug soma as well as modified versions of real-life platitudes, such as, “A doctor a day keeps the jim-jams away.” Hannah Arendt, in her 1963 book Eichmann in Jerusalem, describes Adolf Eichmann as an intelligent man using many of these thought-terminating clichés to justify his actions and the role he played in the Holocaust. For her, these phrases are symptomatic of an absence of thought."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

A platitude is a trite, meaningless, biased, or prosaic statement, often presented as if it were significant and original. The word derives from plat, the French word for "flat." Whether any given statement is considered to have meaning is highly subjective, so platitude is often—but not always—used as a pejorative term to describe seemingly profound statements that a certain person views as unoriginal or shallow. Examples of statements which could be considered platitudes could be "The power of friendship", "Go with the flow", "Everything happens for a reason", "It is what it is!", "If it's meant to be, it's meant to be", and "We need to do what we can do."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platitude