Still lots of mail?

[TrevAnon]

NoName posted in a thread that people in still get lots of mail:

I'll also say that onlines dyed in the wool kool aid drinkers tend to get multiple pieces of mail daily.

In an answer to that "Intentionally Blank" posted:

Not to derail..... but this is changing. We used to get 4 ...5 ....6..... pieces of cultcrap daily. Now we probably don't get that much in a week. It's been steadily decreasing over the last couple of years.

If others can confirm this, it looks to me like a good sign. COS maybe has less money at hand to send out all kinds of rubbish to their mailing list, may have decided that it's not worth the trouble anymore, or that they better use e-mail, or whatever.

What are your experiences with snail mail from the COS? Are you still desperatly trying to escape them? Or can you confirm that you get less than in the past? Or even: has it become easier to get them to scratch your address?

Thoughts please?

 

[WhatWall]

I receive several pieces a week from various sources, such as IAS, Flag, Freewinds, CLO WUS, AOLA, LA Org, New York Org, Atlanta Org, Nashville Org, ASHOUK, Super Power Building Project (can't remember its new name) and Planetary Dissemination Project.

However, I only get a few pieces each week from several, but not all, of the aforementioned. Overall, the volume has been going down over the past couple of years.

Afterthought: In terms of paper and print quality, the quality of the pieces has increased. I guess their state-of-the-art print facilities are kept busy with this stuff. The IAS magazine is especially glossy & glitzy now.

 

[hummingbird]

Maybe it's when we left, but my ex and I moved shortly after we left in '83 (just 20 miles away) and have never gotten anything ever.

Of course, the goldenrod came out on us really quickly. We were consorting with "known enemies." Plus they dug up some O/W's I wrote up during an amnesty that were filed in my "confessional" folder and which I was told were confidential, and peppered my declare with those things.

It would majorly creep me out way big time to get some cultcrap now!

PS: Not a day goes by that I don't relish the fact that I don't have to look IN any more.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

What are your experiences with snail mail from the COS? Are you still desperatly trying to escape them? Or can you confirm that you get less than in the past? Or even: has it become easier to get them to scratch your address?

Thoughts please?

Shall I stat it and report by Thursday....at 2 ....?

 

[Teanntás]

NoName posted in a thread that people in still get lots of mail:



In an answer to that "Intentionally Blank" posted:


If others can confirm this, it looks to me like a good sign. COS maybe has less money at hand to send out all kinds of rubbish to their mailing list, may have decided that it's not worth the trouble anymore, or that they better use e-mail, or whatever.

What are your experiences with snail mail from the COS? Are you still desperatly trying to escape them? Or can you confirm that you get less than in the past? Or even: has it become easier to get them to scratch your address?

Thoughts please?

I've noticed a big decrease in the past few months and more significantly a precipitous drop in phone calls.

 

[Lone Star]

NoName posted in a thread that people in still get lots of mail:



In an answer to that "Intentionally Blank" posted:


If others can confirm this, it looks to me like a good sign. COS maybe has less money at hand to send out all kinds of rubbish to their mailing list, may have decided that it's not worth the trouble anymore, or that they better use e-mail, or whatever.

What are your experiences with snail mail from the COS? Are you still desperatly trying to escape them? Or can you confirm that you get less than in the past? Or even: has it become easier to get them to scratch your address?

Thoughts please?

My situation is rare in that I successfully got my name removed from all lists even though I was never declared. And no, I wasn't "secretly declared" either. Believe me, I would know.

I was just firm with them in my resolve to get them to stop the mail. I made it very clear that I didn't appreciate it, and that I will never do any services regardless of how much they try to bury me with promo. I had several fairly long phone conversations with various SO staffers. At first I took the explosive route with lots of profanity. LOL... That doesn't phase them at all because they're so used to it in their daily routine being in the SO. LOL...

But when I respectfully and kindly outlined by wish to be removed from the mailing lists they ended up complying. So I'll give 'em that anyway.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Someone's crashing the stats!

It could be that someone's handled the address unknown backlog, internationally, centralised addresso but somehow I doubt it, if you updated the mailing list including removing all the SPs it would have shrunk considerably.

If data on 'parishioners' is being kept out of the EU they'd better watch their step, there are very strict rules.

 

[Reasonable]

I seem to get just as much mail as ever from multiple sources. I also get lots of phone calls especially around events and releases.

 

[Lermanet_com]

I seem to get just as much mail as ever from multiple sources. I also get lots of phone calls especially around events and releases.

When you feel up to ending them, tell them Arnie Lerma said that if there was just ONE OT in $cientology, you would't have to be making these telephone calls.

 

[prosecco]

Isn't there a way you can send it back so they pay for the postage? Return to sender?

No quicker way to grab attention than something that is costing them money.

 

[Enthetan]

There was a long period where I was getting nothing. Now I occasionally get a mag or a flier. Nothing like how things were a few years back, when I would get several items every DAY from various orgs (including Saint Hill in UK!)

 

[renegade]

Isn't there a way you can send it back so they pay for the postage? Return to sender?

No quicker way to grab attention than something that is costing them money.

YES!!! If you send in the postage pre-paid reply card, it will cost them quite a bit more than normal postage.

To have this service, the Cos has to pay for a permit annually. The post office collects and hangs onto the BRE (Business Reply Envelope) and notifies the church it has mail to pick-up. The Cos has a time limit to pick up AND pay for each reply. The cost was over 1.60 back in the 90's (not sure what it is today).

Sending in the BREs, has been the fastest, best way to get off the mailing lists, by my experience. Sometimes within a month, I will no longer get mail from a specific org. Only problem is you have to send it in for each org and not all of them can afford this service.

Forgot to add: include a note that you want to be removed from all mailing and call-in lists.

 

[WhatWall]

YES!!! If you send in the postage pre-paid reply card, it will cost them quite a bit more than normal postage.

To have this service, the Cos has to pay for a permit annually. The post office collects and hangs onto the BRE (Business Reply Envelope) and notifies the church it has mail to pick-up. The Cos has a time limit to pick up AND pay for each reply. The cost was over 1.60 back in the 90's (not sure what it is today).

Sending in the BREs, has been the fastest, best way to get off the mailing lists, by my experience. Sometimes within a month, I will no longer get mail from a specific org. Only problem is you have to send it in for each org and not all of them can afford this service.

Forgot to add: include a note that you want to be removed from all mailing and call-in lists.

I have tried this with limited success. About every other week still get a letter from a Letter Registrar w/ a BRE included. I return the BRE with note enclosed, asking to be taken off their mailing list, etc. A few weeks later, another letter arrives from a different Letter Reg who seems oblivious to the previous letter. Letter Registrars come & go frequently, but lately they only seem to last a few weeks!

 

[strativarius]

About once a week I think it was, we staff had to sit down and write a set number of letters to book buyers, (or to others whose addresses we had) and a put a copy of the letter in that person's folder.

I'm sure that the folders weren't inspected too carefully as I would probably have ended up being reprimanded for the inane garbage that I used to write to these people, since I was always in a big hurry to get out of there. I probably deterred quite a few folks from ever having anything further to do with Scientology once they had read what was obviously a formulaic letter written with absolutely no sincerity whatsoever.

Auditing people I absolutely loved. Writing letters to 'em I just hated.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

About once a week I think it was, we staff had to sit down and write a set number of letters to book buyers, (or to others whose addresses we had) and a put a copy of the letter in that person's folder.

I'm sure that the folders weren't inspected too carefully as I would probably have ended up being comm-eved for the inane garbage that I used to write to these people, since I was always in a big hurry to get out of there. I probably deterred quite a few folks from ever having anything further to do with Scientology once they had read what was obviously a formulaic letter written with absolutely no sincerity whatsoever.

Auditing people I absolutely loved. Writing letters to 'em I just hated.

Fewer staff = fewer letters

Might account for some of the drop in mail at our house. I've read some of them. You aren't the only one who wrote inane garbage

 

[TrevAnon]

Shall I stat it and report by Thursday....at 2 ....?

Yup!

 

[Intentionally Blank]

Yup!

Let me just fire up my Management by Statistics. If you don't hear from me you can mark a count of "1" in the optional "crashed system" box.

 

[renegade]

I have tried this with limited success. About every other week still get a letter from a Letter Registrar w/ a BRE included. I return the BRE with note enclosed, asking to be taken off their mailing list, etc. A few weeks later, another letter arrives from a different Letter Reg who seems oblivious to the previous letter. Letter Registrars come & go frequently, but lately they only seem to last a few weeks!

True. It is a little different with the letter reg who gets a stat for every response (Stat push! to count "ask offs," IMO).

I have had to write several "Remove from mailing lists" to some very hard-headed, rude, bully, letter reg. But if you continue, it will stop eventually. It is a big no-no, to waste org resources and income, and you can get comm-ev'd for it.

 

[Dean Blair]

If you join ESMB and write a few critical comments, go to Marty Rathbun's or Mike Rinder's website and write a few nasty comments, or comment on Tony Ortega's web site and OSA finds out then you won't get any more mail or phone calls. Anti-Scientology web sites are like Kryptonite to the cult.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

About once a week I think it was, we staff had to sit down and write a set number of letters to book buyers, (or to others whose addresses we had) and a put a copy of the letter in that person's folder.

I'm sure that the folders weren't inspected too carefully as I would probably have ended up being reprimanded for the inane garbage that I used to write to these people, since I was always in a big hurry to get out of there. I probably deterred quite a few folks from ever having anything further to do with Scientology once they had read what was obviously a formulaic letter written with absolutely no sincerity whatsoever.

Auditing people I absolutely loved. Writing letters to 'em I just hated.

Ron said that you should look over the file and ask the person any question that comes to your mind. Well London files had very little information in them, reges wouldn't write up interviews in case the opposition (day or foundation) reged the victim too. Anyway I found a carbon copy of a letter that actually asked the bookbuyer "are you a tit or bum man?"

The files were full of stupid letters one line long at most and almost never got any response. Many of them were students when they'd been in London 20 years earlier and had moved five times since or returned to exotic lands without ever having read a word. The files were stuffed so hard into the drawers it was almost impossible to remove them, on top of the cabinets were cardboard boxes tied with string with their edges bursting with files and mouse droppings. Then there would be a few files fat as a cow compulsive communicators, often in a shocking state but who loved to write back. Letter reges loved them, they were good for letters in stats. Vast backlogs piled up because you needed the strength of Hercules to file one sheet of paper in a file.

Following a letter writing 'party' all the thin book buyer files had to be unshuffled back into alphabetical order and forced back into the cabinets. The whole activity was insane, the incompetent letters, the dataless files, the books sold to people who only bought them to get out, the overstuffed cabinets and the mouse farm they were filed in, and the enormous unconfrontable backlog of filing, addunking and deadfiling. Occasionally someone from the GO would come downstairs and demand that anything from a certain person must be taken away and they must never be written to again. I would insist that some marker should be put in the files or when a backlogged invoice came up a new file would be made, they never understood the point, it was imperative that the person was never written to again so nothing should stay in the drawer, and I would say yes so we must put something in the drawer saying that anything for Mr J Smith of 26 Brown street must be routed to the GO, but no everything bearing the person's name had to be removed. So of course a week later the person would have a new file and letters would be written.

Scn is staffed mainly by incompetent people who resent doing what they do because they really were tricked into doing it by tricks from Big League Sales etc. No one wanted to file those files or write those letters, and they were completely pointless. But letters out equal GI so it had to be done.