Still lots of mail?

[strativarius]

Apart from having to sit down and write 25, (or however many it was) letters to book buyers, another huge pain was the stuffing parties, (no, they weren't half as much fun as they sound) where thousands of leaflets saying: GOOD NEWS!!! Ron has made yet another huge breakthrough blah blah blah... or some such garbage, would have to be mailed out.

And so it was all hands on deck until the wee small hours and the boxes full of flyers had all been put into envelopes and franked and those of us who were lucky enough to have homes to go to could leave. I don't know what was worse, that, or standing out in the freezing cold outside Victoria station at 8.00 am handing out Freedom broadsheets. What a pain that was too!

 

[Operating DB]

Isn't there a way you can send it back so they pay for the postage? Return to sender?

No quicker way to grab attention than something that is costing them money.

That was my M.O. and it worked.

This was way back in the mid 80's. I was already persona non grata with the local Org so they had already stopped sending their fecal matter to me. But I did tend to get a lot of crap from AOLA and I think Flag and ASHO. If there was a postage paid business reply envelop I would send that back with variable messages saying I'm not interested and to stop sending me promo forever. If there wasn't a postage paid envelop I would write on it "Refused. Return to sender" along with maybe another "friendly" note written elsewhere on the promo. So, I gave them a dose of scio medicine and TR3-ed them to death until finally the mailings stopped for good. That is until the big promo push on GAT just a couple of years ago.

I received one of those DVD's but was able to catch the Fed Ex guy before he left and told him I refused the package and to return to sender. I think he was a little taken back because I was showing some rage. lol. I think I got a follow up letter too but that ended up in the circular file.

They know I'm not worth their time and that's fine by me.

 

[Enthetan]

I have tried this with limited success. About every other week still get a letter from a Letter Registrar w/ a BRE included. I return the BRE with note enclosed, asking to be taken off their mailing list, etc. A few weeks later, another letter arrives from a different Letter Reg who seems oblivious to the previous letter. Letter Registrars come & go frequently, but lately they only seem to last a few weeks!

What letter reges? You really think they post people as Letter Reg?

They just tell staff to write letters. They have expeditors write letters. They tell public to write letters. As of thirty years ago, they just handed out sheets with names and addresses and told people to write letters to them, without even a glance at the Central Files folder for the person (just as well, the filing would be years backlogged). I can only assume it's gotten worse.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

<snip> The files were stuffed so hard into the drawers it was almost impossible to remove them, on top of the cabinets were cardboard boxes tied with string with their edges bursting with files and mouse droppings. Then there would be a few files fat as a cow compulsive communicators, often in a shocking state but who loved to write back. Letter reges loved them, they were good for letters in stats. Vast backlogs piled up because you needed the strength of Hercules to file one sheet of paper in a file.

Following a letter writing 'party' all the thin book buyer files had to be unshuffled back into alphabetical order and forced back into the cabinets. The whole activity was insane, the incompetent letters, the dataless files, the books sold to people who only bought them to get out, the overstuffed cabinets and the mouse farm they were filed in, and the enormous unconfrontable backlog of filing, addunking and deadfiling. <snip>

One of the requirements prior to an ideal org opening is the clean up of all the old files. Every last one needs to be sorted, put in order .. a specific order, and refiled in a brand spanking new (no doubt wildly expensive) new folder. I knew people who worked for years on the file project before the idle org here opened.

 

[Dean Blair]

​I think that anyone who received a letter from me and there were a few, should have saved the letter because now I would be willing to buy that letter back for up to maybe a $100. I would frame it for posterity and hang it in a special place in my home.

 

[Knows]

There is a "hat" write up somewhere on the internet as to how to get off the mailing list and it works.

1. Send the promo piece back after making a copy of the page where your address is and writing next to it LOOK AT XENUTV.NET in big black letters.

Make sure they can see your address.

That will work very quickly.

They don't want Mr. Xenu's name mentioned in the Orgs because they will get sick and die - implanted suggestions into the subconscious mind are powerful.
They can't afford to lose any more members so you will get removed from the mailing list.

If you are under the radar - write to the addresso and tell them you are temporarily moving (for a work related project) and then give your new address - the same address of your local Org or another Org in another City - as to where to send the shit until further notice.
Then - never give further notice.

Tell the Addresso Chap "this is a really good address to send stuff for a while".

The Org or addresso won't figure it out.

Due to the STAT driven life - they are driven by stats only and won't even notice or care - as long as they have a stat!


:wink2:

 

[Knows]

One of the requirements prior to an ideal org opening is the clean up of all the old files. Every last one needs to be sorted, put in order .. a specific order, and refiled in a brand spanking new (no doubt wildly expensive) new folder. I knew people who worked for years on the file project before the idle org here opened.

Central Files Project can lose members too. When they see all the folders of people that started Scientology and never came back - they will put 2+2 = BLOW

If Scientology worked - what happened to all those people? Are they ALL SP's???

Central Files are the mind of the Org according to David Miscavige.

Each Central Files that I worked on were Type III.

They should be discarded without sorrow.

 

[lotus]

Yes writting anything like:

Moved to XENUTV.net
Moved to google.thehole.scientology
Moved to ex-scientology message board.net
Moved to Mark Rathbun blog

Will certainly END quielty, terminally, any entheta on your lines.

I've used that for phone calls, a huge load of entheta - I have been disposed of quietly, without any sorrow.

 

[Enthetan]

One of the requirements prior to an ideal org opening is the clean up of all the old files. Every last one needs to be sorted, put in order .. a specific order, and refiled in a brand spanking new (no doubt wildly expensive) new folder. I knew people who worked for years on the file project before the idle org here opened.

One would think they would have taken the occasion as an excuse to just have the folder contents scanned and digitized. The files could thus be backed up, actual correspondence FROM the public tagged, and be able to cross reference with other data as to when he bought services and completed them.

But no, this is Scientology.

ADDING: At one point I spent a few weeks letter-regging. The bulk of CF (I would say 95% or more) consisted of people who bought a Dianetics book some years prior, and were never heard from again. Most files contained a book receipt, and a bunch of carbon copies of letters written TO the person without response.

 

[strativarius]

One would think they would have taken the occasion as an excuse to just have the folder contents scanned and digitized. The files could thus be backed up, actual correspondence FROM the public tagged, and be able to cross reference with other data as to when he bought services and completed them.

But no, this is Scientology.

ADDING: At one point I spent a few weeks letter-regging. The bulk of CF (I would say 95% or more) consisted of people who bought a Dianetics book some years prior, and were never heard from again. Most files contained a book receipt, and a bunch of carbon copies of letters written TO the person without response.

So what is so different about Scientology from other corporate structures around the world? It's the same old story, a few at the top reaping huge rewards from the sweat of many at the bottom of the pile struggling to make ends meet.

Your idea of digitising the folders might work within an organisation that was relatively stable and remunerated its employees enough to keep them on post maintaining such a system. That is never going to happen in Scientology with its unskilled underpaid labour force and rapid turnover of staff. Whatever system is in place soon becomes backlogged under those circumstances.

As you so rightly say, this is Scientology.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

One would think they would have taken the occasion as an excuse to just have the folder contents scanned and digitized. The files could thus be backed up, actual correspondence FROM the public tagged, and be able to cross reference with other data as to when he bought services and completed them.

But no, this is Scientology.

<snip>

Yeah. I suggested the same suppressive, heretical, idea to a woman I know who was one of the dedicated file project workers. "We don't do that," was all she had to say.

 

[Lermanet_com]

So what is so different about Scientology from other corporate structures around the world? It's the same old story, a few at the top reaping huge rewards from the sweat of many at the bottom of the pile struggling to make ends meet.

Your idea of digitising the folders might work within an organisation that was relatively stable and remunerated its employees enough to keep them on post maintaining such a system. That is never going to happen in Scientology with its unskilled underpaid labour force and rapid turnover of staff. Whatever system is in place soon becomes backlogged under those circumstances.

As you so rightly say, this is Scientology.

Enthetan is on to something:

It is my understanding that all personal family connections data, what your HOT buttons are, what your crimes are, - all the data needed to CONTROL you should you begin to awaken from Hubbard's trance... are stored in the INCOMM computers.

Example: If they need to influence a Judge, they find who the judge plays golf with, then find someone who is in their trance (a member) who has a friend, connection, brother in law, family member etc who knows that person...and off they go.. peddling undue influence under religious cloaking.


http://www.lermanet.com/chuck_beatty/

"84-89 TNT (written programs tracked, nudged and tallied by the computer.)
Computerization of the routing forms.
Message system for all of Int and middle mangement.
Stat evolution totally on computer for Int and middle mgmt.
Personnel data base for Int and middle mgmt.
SP data base (list of all SPs and ex-SO) (used by Snr HCO and OSA and RTC.)
Org Flag Officer system totally on computer now.
Computerized Data Files system (scanned paper items, and text messages.)
LRH Copyrights system (now located at ASI, where the Copyrights Officer is now posted, her name is Alison Fine.)
Specialized Data Base systems for various units to replace virtually all paper file systems, and indexing systems."

Above was in 1989, imagine whats up today?

MORE on INCOMM and dated later than Chuck's info by Dan Garvin

http://www.lermanet.com/dangarvin/

Excerpt: "Now, I'll move on to the main reason for this message. A few years
ago, I was on an RTC mission to input staff member information into a
computer data base. With this data base you can type in any staff
member's name and pull up their information instantly.

First we went through every person's Personnel file and typed in their
entire Life History write up, their recent test scores, and any other
pertinent info required in the data base.

We then had to go through every ethics file and for each report enter
in what the report was about, who it was from and a summary of what
the report was about i.e. "Knowledge Report from Staff Member A:
Reports that Joe Blow was not doing his job and instead was smoking a
cigarette during post time, being idle." We also had to type in every
O/W write up - at least the "important" things from each write up.
Things like "I should have taken a shower today but didn't" were left
out of course. So, you can imagine how much information from the
ethics files were entered.

Now here's the killer, all the PC folders were gone through in the
same manner! It was mainly the confessionals and sec checks that were
inspected, but it was done and you can only imagine how "off policy"
and "out tech" that is."

Suggested Google search words Scientology INCOMM Plus CHUG TARGETS PROGRAM COMPLIANCE

The type of information about "SPs" that would be in INCOMM would be outlined by OPERATIONS OFFICER


"All covert ops have as a common denominator,
the factor of being designed and disguised
as being something other than what they really are"LINK

 

[Smurf]

What are your experiences with snail mail from the COS? Are you still desperatly trying to escape them? Or can you confirm that you get less than in the past? Or even: has it become easier to get them to scratch your address? Thoughts please?

A decade after being declared a "high criminal" by some nutty IJC & an enemy of the cult, I continue to get email. I simply toss it like I do all the other ads I get. Simple as that. Why get all emotionally upset over trash mail? Scientology is very dysfunctional.

The more you claim & demand they remove you from their mailing lists, the more mail they are going to send you.

 

[Smurf]

Isn't there a way you can send it back so they pay for the postage? Return to sender? No quicker way to grab attention than something that is costing them money.

It's not costing them any money. Anything not mailed to you in a sealed envelope & personally addressed to you (ads, promotions, pamphlets, newspapers) are considered 4th class mail & tossed in a bin. Once that bin of Scientology mail fills up (the USPS is well aware of the organizations sending mass mailings), they call the cult to come & pick it up within 1 week or it gets tossed in the trash.

I spoke to a supervisor at the Hollywood-Wilcox post office about it years ago. She confirmed this. She also said that the cult very rarely picks up returns.

 

[renegade]

Ron said that you should look over the file and ask the person any question that comes to your mind. Well London files had very little information in them, reges wouldn't write up interviews in case the opposition (day or foundation) reged the victim too. Anyway I found a carbon copy of a letter that actually asked the bookbuyer "are you a tit or bum man?"

The files were full of stupid letters one line long at most and almost never got any response. Many of them were students when they'd been in London 20 years earlier and had moved five times since or returned to exotic lands without ever having read a word. The files were stuffed so hard into the drawers it was almost impossible to remove them, on top of the cabinets were cardboard boxes tied with string with their edges bursting with files and mouse droppings. Then there would be a few files fat as a cow compulsive communicators, often in a shocking state but who loved to write back. Letter reges loved them, they were good for letters in stats. Vast backlogs piled up because you needed the strength of Hercules to file one sheet of paper in a file.

Following a letter writing 'party' all the thin book buyer files had to be unshuffled back into alphabetical order and forced back into the cabinets. The whole activity was insane, the incompetent letters, the dataless files, the books sold to people who only bought them to get out, the overstuffed cabinets and the mouse farm they were filed in, and the enormous unconfrontable backlog of filing, addunking and deadfiling. Occasionally someone from the GO would come downstairs and demand that anything from a certain person must be taken away and they must never be written to again. I would insist that some marker should be put in the files or when a backlogged invoice came up a new file would be made, they never understood the point, it was imperative that the person was never written to again so nothing should stay in the drawer, and I would say yes so we must put something in the drawer saying that anything for Mr J Smith of 26 Brown street must be routed to the GO, but no everything bearing the person's name had to be removed. So of course a week later the person would have a new file and letters would be written.

Scn is staffed mainly by incompetent people who resent doing what they do because they really were tricked into doing it by tricks from Big League Sales etc. No one wanted to file those files or write those letters, and they were completely pointless. But letters out equal GI so it had to be done.

This post makes me want to fall down and go to sleep!!! I remember those days where we would sometimes get home at 4 AM, and have to go to work at our paying jobs at 7 AM.

 

[Lulu Belle]

My situation is rare in that I successfully got my name removed from all lists even though I was never declared. And no, I wasn't "secretly declared" either. Believe me, I would know.

I was just firm with them in my resolve to get them to stop the mail. I made it very clear that I didn't appreciate it, and that I will never do any services regardless of how much they try to bury me with promo. I had several fairly long phone conversations with various SO staffers. At first I took the explosive route with lots of profanity. LOL... That doesn't phase them at all because they're so used to it in their daily routine being in the SO. LOL...

But when I respectfully and kindly outlined by wish to be removed from the mailing lists they ended up complying. So I'll give 'em that anyway.

You may not be declared but it sounds like you're Deadfiled.

Two different things.

Used to be, anyway.

 

[degraded being]

If you join ESMB and write a few critical comments, go to Marty Rathbun's or Mike Rinder's website and write a few nasty comments, or comment on Tony Ortega's web site and OSA finds out then you won't get any more mail or phone calls. Anti-Scientology web sites are like Kryptonite to the cult.

Do you think it's a good idea to send in SCREEN SHOTS of critical comments made on the internet. "If it's not written it's not true" -and if there is a screen shot it's extra true.

 

[Enthetan]

Enthetan is on to something:

It is my understanding that all personal family connections data, what your HOT buttons are, what your crimes are, - all the data needed to CONTROL you should you begin to awaken from Hubbard's trance... are stored in the INCOMM computers.

Example: If they need to influence a Judge, they find who the judge plays golf with, then find someone who is in their trance (a member) who has a friend, connection, brother in law, family member etc who knows that person...and off they go.. peddling undue influence under religious cloaking.

Intelligence agencies and news agencies have long used databases of people's connections.

The NSA has a big database on people and connections.

One publicly-available database, NNDB, is interesting. Here's David Miscavige's entry.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

Enthetan is on to something:

It is my understanding that all personal family connections data, what your HOT buttons are, what your crimes are, - all the data needed to CONTROL you should you begin to awaken from Hubbard's trance... are stored in the INCOMM computers.

Why oh why can't the Cryptolocker folks hit the cos?

 

[WhatWall]

What letter reges? You really think they post people as Letter Reg?

They just tell staff to write letters. They have expeditors write letters. They tell public to write letters. As of thirty years ago, they just handed out sheets with names and addresses and told people to write letters to them, without even a glance at the Central Files folder for the person (just as well, the filing would be years backlogged). I can only assume it's gotten worse.

Good point. The letters I'm getting are laser printed (perhaps ink jet) on letterhead, with the writer's name printed & signed in the closing and "Letter Registrar" printed below the name. So it looks like they're using word processor software, which makes it easy to portray any staff member as a letter reg. According to these letters, I am either Clear, on NED, a Student Hat Completion, on Grades, on OT levels, on auditing courses, or on correspondence courses (none of which are true). (If they could just get their CF cleaned up, I'm sure they could recover me. )

I can't imagine that these letter writers actually look at my CF folder's contents. When I wrote such letters, there was no one present to "hat" me so I devised my own method, which began with reading through the folder content. Using what I learned from the folder, I would try to write something with a personal touch, show some genuine interest, and end off with a warm invitation to respond. Silly me. Now I know why no one ever responded: My letter recipients had disconnected from Scientology. They knew more about Scientology than I did.