Still lots of mail?

[Dean Blair]

Reading this post has given me a funny idea. What if you wrote a letter to an org routing it to the MAA reporting that (church members name) had secretly saved Debbie Cooks email and has forwarded this horrible enemy line to others. You could add more to it such as...He visits Marty Rathbun's website as well as that terrible editor Tony Ortega. He told me that he would never tell ethics about this and if they ever asked he would misdirect them. I think he might have other plans too but I don't know exactly what they are. It could be one of their "Things that shouldn't be reports" . Of course you would sign it with a fictitious name or anonymously.

The ethics officer/MAA would call the guy in and probably order him to be sec checked at his own expense as well as have him do lower conditions and threaten expulsion and the declaration that he was an SP. All of that and the guy would have been totally innocent of the crimes he was accused of.

I am not advocating this and I probably wouldn't do it myself but the scenario that played in my head was funny and in my imagination the parishioner was so upset for being wrongly accused by the MAA that he left Scientology and began looking it up on the internet.

 

[programmer_guy]

I haven't received any CofS junk snail mail for awhile (I don't remember... maybe 1 or 2 years). :confused2:
I used to receive the junk quite often and then it just stopped.
I have no idea why it stopped (not that I am complaining) .

 

[catarina]

I still received mail from various orgs for years after becoming active on a.r.s. under my own name, and making a few media appearances. Can't say I minded, it was fun to keep up with old names, and sometimes those magazines came in quite handy when explaining the CoS to never-ins, those pictures of Sea Org uniforms often gave people the creeps and led them to make certain associations. Ah, good old days.

 

[TrevAnon]

Lots of answers, thanks. Keep them coming!

 

[eldritch cuckoo]

Reading this post has given me a funny idea. What if you wrote a letter to an org routing it to the MAA reporting that (church members name) had secretly saved Debbie Cooks email and has forwarded this horrible enemy line to others. You could add more to it such as...He visits Marty Rathbun's website as well as that terrible editor Tony Ortega. He told me that he would never tell ethics about this and if they ever asked he would misdirect them. I think he might have other plans too but I don't know exactly what they are. It could be one of their "Things that shouldn't be reports" . Of course you would sign it with a fictitious name or anonymously.

The ethics officer/MAA would call the guy in and probably order him to be sec checked at his own expense as well as have him do lower conditions and threaten expulsion and the declaration that he was an SP. All of that and the guy would have been totally innocent of the crimes he was accused of.

I am not advocating this and I probably wouldn't do it myself but the scenario that played in my head was funny and in my imagination the parishioner was so upset for being wrongly accused by the MAA that he left Scientology and began looking it up on the internet.

That is twisted and evil, but just the thing the Co$ deserves. It turns their evil methods and erratic procedures against the organization without doing their sorry mental captives unjustice. Why? It doesn't matter whether they are, in normal auditing processes, in KRs, sec checks and whatnot, frequently accused of (or accusing themselves of) meaningless and unreal crimes and are getting "handled" ... or whether they are accused of meaningless and unreal crimes by some forged letter. To STAY in Co$ any longer despite their constant stress and suffering, and the suffering of their disconnected or "fair gamed" acquaintances, is the really bad thing for staff and public, just as it is a bad thing for everybody else who gets hurt because this organization still is around.

Abusive, aggressive behavior by "SPs", aka protesters, is one thing because that always goes with the risk to reinforce a Scientologist's mindset that the outside world is a hostile and abusive place, and that people who are protesting Scientology are especially hostile. To provoke more bad (and more or less scientological) behavior of Scientologists against Scientologists, is different, because it teaches them how abusive and hostile a place Scientology is, how much suffering the doctrine creates. The more "SP/PTS handling", annoying regging, and chaotic unjustice (even by Scientology definitions - see Debbie Cook's letter) the Co$ does to their own members, staff and public, the better, since often people are fleeing the organization for these reasons. Such a letter would only work as a catalyzer - to prompt Co$' immune system into action to damage it's own organs, so that they literally "stop working"... and stop being Scientologists.

At this point, and thanks to the people who have already spoken out, written books, written blogs, Scientology can't get new members. So the mission is to make them lose the members (and assets) they have. To bleed Co$ dry of money is an important (and multi-faceted) long-term goal too, because as long as they have money, at last DM hisself can order "SP handling" of critics and buy PIs and attorneys if he loses his shit over something. However, what the organization also needs badly to stay operable and to keep open their orgs and front groups, are at last some members.

Visiting some internet site or forwarding a private email is only a crime for the Co$, and accusing somebody wrongly of doing so, is, if I get that right, some form of libel as its utmost, and quite not the same than accusing somebody wrongly (in the presence of others, or for others to read) of doing a real crime.

I would like to see more such ideas of deliberately prompting irrational reactions, using Co$' self-destructive mechanisms derived from Hubbard's faulty instructions, against the organization.

Oh well I think I'm going to re-watch "Fight Club" now.

 

[Lermanet_com]

Reading this post has given me a funny idea. What if you wrote a letter to an org routing it to the MAA reporting that (church members name) had secretly saved Debbie Cooks email and has forwarded this horrible enemy line to others. You could add more to it such as...He visits Marty Rathbun's website as well as that terrible editor Tony Ortega. He told me that he would never tell ethics about this and if they ever asked he would misdirect them. I think he might have other plans too but I don't know exactly what they are. It could be one of their "Things that shouldn't be reports" . Of course you would sign it with a fictitious name or anonymously.

The ethics officer/MAA would call the guy in and probably order him to be sec checked at his own expense as well as have him do lower conditions and threaten expulsion and the declaration that he was an SP. All of that and the guy would have been totally innocent of the crimes he was accused of.

I am not advocating this and I probably wouldn't do it myself but the scenario that played in my head was funny and in my imagination the parishioner was so upset for being wrongly accused by the MAA that he left Scientology and began looking it up on the internet.

Sending letters addressed to 'terminals' on the $cientology 'org board' WORKS

The letters get routed to the guy, the guy reads it, the ethics officer reads it, and then that guys auditor hears about it in they suckers next 'session'.

It is a GIFT that keeps on giving.

It also - for the price of stamp, gives the sender a little satisfaction that they DID something rather than sit about grousing about how bad $cientology is...

That satisfaction made me feel better and stronger, i recommend this to everyone who wants to end $cientology abuses.

Imagine if they got as much mail with true data and helpful hints for recovering from covert hypnosis as they mail out trying to induce and re-reinforce that same hypnosis?

Arnie Lerma

That is twisted and evil, but just the thing the Co$ deserves. It turns their evil methods and erratic procedures against the organization without doing their sorry mental captives unjustice. Why? It doesn't matter whether they are, in normal auditing processes, in KRs, sec checks and whatnot, frequently accused of (or accusing themselves of) meaningless and unreal crimes and are getting "handled" ... or whether they are accused of meaningless and unreal crimes by some forged letter. To STAY in Co$ any longer despite their constant stress and suffering, and the suffering of their disconnected or "fair gamed" acquaintances, is the really bad thing for staff and public, just as it is a bad thing for everybody else who gets hurt because this organization still is around.

Abusive, aggressive behavior by "SPs", aka protesters, is one thing because that always goes with the risk to reinforce a Scientologist's mindset that the outside world is a hostile and abusive place, and that people who are protesting Scientology are especially hostile. To provoke more bad (and more or less scientological) behavior of Scientologists against Scientologists, is different, because it teaches them how abusive and hostile a place Scientology is, how much suffering the doctrine creates. The more "SP/PTS handling", annoying regging, and chaotic unjustice (even by Scientology definitions - see Debbie Cook's letter) the Co$ does to their own members, staff and public, the better, since often people are fleeing the organization for these reasons. Such a letter would only work as a catalyzer - to prompt Co$' immune system into action to damage it's own organs, so that they literally "stop working"... and stop being Scientologists.

At this point, and thanks to the people who have already spoken out, written books, written blogs, Scientology can't get new members. So the mission is to make them lose the members (and assets) they have. To bleed Co$ dry of money is an important (and multi-faceted) long-term goal too, because as long as they have money, at last DM hisself can order "SP handling" of critics and buy PIs and attorneys if he loses his shit over something. However, what the organization also needs badly to stay operable and to keep open their orgs and front groups, are at last some members.

Visiting some internet site or forwarding a private email is only a crime for the Co$, and accusing somebody wrongly of doing so, is, if I get that right, some form of libel as its utmost, and quite not the same than accusing somebody wrongly (in the presence of others, or for others to read) of doing a real crime.

I would like to see more such ideas of deliberately prompting irrational reactions, using Co$' self-destructive mechanisms derived from Hubbard's faulty instructions, against the organization.

Oh well I think I'm going to re-watch "Fight Club" now.

I think this should be a campaign....

The US Postal Authorities already know what they are dealing with, having visited me for mailing stuff to $cientology, which I continued doing. Just make it caring , polite, but hard hitting..

One mailing I did was to all the orgs and missions IN THE WORLD, and all the WISE names, was of the entire 26 pages of Michael Tilse's DOUBT formula, the one where he actually had the umitigated nerve after being told all the data on the net are lies, (Having seen the coroners report on Hubbard) went to the coroners office in San Luis Obispo, and pulled THE SAME documents, reported in his doubt formula that the only difference between what he got and what we had webbed on the evil net, was that his documents were easier to read.

Please do this. It will make a difference. And if they complain tell them Arnie Lerma said that if there were just ONE OT in $cientology there wouldn't be such
problems...

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And as desperate as Herr Dwarf, AKA His Oiliness is for statistics that are going up, what a laugh we all would have, when at the next event , he brags that LETTERS IN is Highest Ever!

Arnie Lerma

 

[renegade]

A reverse promo campaign, I like it!

 

[Mugsy2015]

I continued to still get mail over 30 years after leaving. I tried many tactics such as as simply and nicely asking to be removed from the mailing list. When that didn't work I tried ripping up the letters and mailing them back. Got some relief when moved a few times but they managed to find me again and the letters continued. I tried scathing curse worded derogatory responses which I don't think the idiot letter writers even bothered to read. I got two letters in one week from the same girl.

finally threatened to write to the Clearwater newspaper that I would expose illegal activities performed by executives in the Detroit Org with names of those still involved and dates. That I would go on-line with the same info and get it spread all over or sell it to one of the many people writing exposes. I was dead serious and have first hand knowledge. Guess what it worked finally and I have not received any more mail. Only took 20 fucking years lol.

 

[ThetanExterior]

Anyone receiving a LOT of mail from the CofS could keep it all for a period of say 6 months or a year then take a picture of it all piled up and send it to a local newspaper with a comment about how damaging this is to the environment.

If it's an impressive pile in relation to the time period then the newspaper might just print the story.

I saw someone do this once in my local newspaper. It wasn't scientology junk mail but the newspaper article certainly made an impact.

 

[TrevAnon]

finally threatened to write to the Clearwater newspaper that I would expose illegal activities performed by executives in the Detroit Org with names of those still involved and dates. That I would go on-line with the same info and get it spread all over or sell it to one of the many people writing exposes. I was dead serious and have first hand knowledge. Guess what it worked finally and I have not received any more mail. Only took 20 fucking years lol.

Just a question. Even without the junk mail, have you considered going to the police to report these crimes? Or is a statute of limitations applicable by now? (I don't know about US law, I am Dutch.)

 

[Gizmo]

It is stunning how incompetent that bunch really is.

What each of wants to happen is to get " Dead Filed " in every branch that sends out mail.

While getting off ASHO mail list is good dear old Saint Hill keeps mailing away - as does all the other places.

It takes patience as even with a broadly published declare it'll take at least a year to get most of the mail & phone calls ended.

Best bet on the phone is always an answering machine as almost non of 'em will leave a message on a machine that only says " leave a message " & doesn't identify whose phone it is.

Making the postage paid envelopes as heavy & thick as possible really ups the postage that must be paid. The PO box can NOT be claimed until postage due is paid.

But, rather than push back against them I just throw their trash in the trash can & don't give it another thought. They are paying very little for their bulk postage rate. " Donations" bought their Rolls Royce quality printing facility & slave labor does the work.
I find it best to just ignore the mail & let them waste some time sending it.

The letters are cringe worthy. Full of make wrong & ser facs in non-standard listing questions. So what ? I hope they getquickly promoted to handling more public - and running 'em off !

They are bust sinking their own ship - I'm all for letting them do that.

 

[Freeminds]

Letters sent out is a Thursday 2pm stat, right? Not letters sent to people that might actually be interested in the contents.

If there's some poor, cult-addled schmo getting verbal abuse because he's only sent out 2,500 junk mails this week, the last thing he's going to do is dig into the computer and reduce his list down to 2,499. 'People Helped' is not a Thursday 2pm stat.

Scientology victims at that level aren't actually evil: they're just too tired and too scared to think about the ridiculous jobs they're required to do. And it's their "eternity" at stake, after all.

Good news is, junk mail costs the Scientology UFO Cult money, hastening the end of the scam. Long may this daft state of affairs continue! Meanwhile, may I recommend a log-burning stove?

 

[Mugsy2015]

Just a question. Even without the junk mail, have you considered going to the police to report these crimes? Or is a statute of limitations applicable by now? (I don't know about US law, I am Dutch.)

Well I'm sure the statute of limitations are up as these happened over 30 years ago and would just be more embarrassing to them than anything else.

 

[renegade]

There is a policy about outflow = inflow, and you don't stop until the stats revert. So the more promo you get means the cult is really in dire need of some cash. On staff we actually believed that crap. So it's more like a desperate, survival, grabbing at straws, last ditch effort in the org.

Getting off the mailing lists is like fighting off a Terminator Bull Dog. It doesn't think or reason. It's simply programed to go thru the motions.

 

[Enthetan]

I continued to still get mail over 30 years after leaving. I tried many tactics such as as simply and nicely asking to be removed from the mailing list. When that didn't work I tried ripping up the letters and mailing them back. Got some relief when moved a few times but they managed to find me again and the letters continued. I tried scathing curse worded derogatory responses which I don't think the idiot letter writers even bothered to read. I got two letters in one week from the same girl.

finally threatened to write to the Clearwater newspaper that I would expose illegal activities performed by executives in the Detroit Org with names of those still involved and dates. That I would go on-line with the same info and get it spread all over or sell it to one of the many people writing exposes. I was dead serious and have first hand knowledge. Guess what it worked finally and I have not received any more mail. Only took 20 fucking years lol.

Twenty years ago, the org kept sending my Scientology mail to my parent's address, in addition to my current address. I tried in vain to get them to take my old address off.

The only thing that worked was to have a friend sneak into the Addresso room and yank the Addresso plate out of the drawer.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

Shall I stat it and report by Thursday....at 2 ....?

Yup!

Dangitt!! Reason 1,469, 378 why I could never be a scientologist. I would never been on time for Thurs stats!!!

Alrighty - here's what I got:

Thurs 1/8 1 GAK News / Bridge Publications
Fri 1/9 0
Sat 1/10 0
Sun 1/11 -
Mon 1/12 1 AOLA personal / typed "I understand you've completed blah blah. What is your target to complete blah blah" signed by the "Letter Registrar" (wouldn't that be consideredy bypassing the local course sup?) Includes a Letter Registrar Questionaire and some shiny sh** promo
Tues 1/13 0
Wed 1/14 0
Week total 2

Seriously down from even a couple years ago.

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