I'm the one who posted the video in the first place. What I find most incredible about your posts is that in your effort to start an "honest" discussion about the way the church is unfairly attacked, you have completely hijacked Greg Bashaw's thread, and helped us move from feeling genuine grief for the loss of this man's life to a intellectual conversation about culpability, completely removed from any empathy, with phrases like, "he died by his own hand." Of course he did, genius, that's what suicide is.
I read the letter that Greg Bashaw wrote to Debbie Cook in Nancy Many's book, and he was asking for help and was refused. What church just ex-communicates someone because they are mentally ill? What justification did they/you have for cutting him off like this? And don't say you didn't personally do it, because you are choosing to defend their actions.
I didn't know Mr. Bashaw, and I have never been a member of the church. But people like you terrify me and this is why I am an activist again the church. Not for political reasons or because I just need something to do with my free time, but because in terms of human evolution, totalitarianism and fascism is something that we must all stand up against, it effects us all, and it erodes the gains of democracy. Nazi Germany must teach us all. There were mother and fathers, sisters, brothers, uncles who turned on the gas chambers and killed their fellow men and women. Any of us can be desensitized to human pain and suffering the way you are inviting us to be with your posts. I do not accept your invitation.
I'm furious because while you may take issue with a name or two on that list, do you dismiss them all? I have another name for you, Birdsong: Lisa McPherson. What is your answer to what happened to her? Can you dismiss her as easily? That name is like holy water on the devil for active Scientologistss because Lisa never harmed anyone, she was an absolutely victim, and you can't "spin" her death.
Birdsong, (ironic name!), you are just another pathetic cog in the wheel, but I'm furious because even in death, and in a thread like this, which I consider a memorial, you Scientologists still come out, still try to control, still take a shit on someone grave, still try to "handle" the situation when the person can't defend themselves.
Well, you can't handle me, or my emotions. I think the death of this man is a tragedy, and whether or not Scientology pulled the trigger or not in these cases, it doesn't change the fact that there is genuine suffering going on all the time because of this church, and people like you keep blaming the victims.
So Commander Birdsong? Command yourself to get a fucking heart.
i do have a heart my friend. greg's death is a tragedy that touches it. i learned of his death from nancy many's book which i got from her personally at an anonymous protest in boston and that was a passage from the book that i especially recall. i wish i had known him personally as i might very well have been able to undo the debilitating psychological phenomenon he suffered. i am something more than appalled by the report that flag did not respond to his repeated requests
CoS is fucking up big time and i don't like it at all
thank you for punching in as the person who posted the video. that certainly marks you as someone better than gutless jackal who made it. i would like to indicate that since i am commenting on the video you posted that you might reconsider the allegation that i am hijacking the thread
i don't dismiss greg, lisa or anyone else. and you are new here apparently and do not know as many others do that if CoS were true to it's own policies my own bright beautiful brilliant son might be alive today instead of being dead more than twenty years
and this brings me around to the theme of my response to the video. you have not been inside the church and i have. i am trained and experienced as an auditor and as i have stated on several occaisions i deem auditing and auditor training to be very good things. however i would no more direct someone into CoS than i would send a horny dude to a cannibal to get a blowjob.
but i am quite certain the person who made the video is heartless and does not give two shits in hell about anyone's death except to get his rocks off. he has no interest whatsoever in seeing CoS clean up it's act and obey it's own policies. he is a craven ghoul who slavers over the thought of more deaths to feed his cold black dead sociopathic hatred and his desire to destroy what is actually when done well a very valuable and useful discipline