Sun Myung Moon dead at 92

[NoName]

This article is a bit deferential to the creep, but gives relevant info about his death.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...founder-of-unification-church-dies-at-92?lite

 

[Smurf]

During my OSA days, I cultivated a business relationship with leaders & attorneys of the Unification Church (Moonies) after OSA created an "interfaith coalition" of religious groups that were being targeted by the National Cult Awareness Network (CAN) as being destructive cults & groups practicing mind control. CAN labelled the COS as the No. 1 most destructive cult in the world, followed by the Unification Church as No. 2.

A former Moonie & cult deprogramer went onto become a well-known attorney representing victims of cults, including Scientology. OSA assigned me to handle Ford Greene.

In 1981, a motion picture, "Ticket to Heaven", was released and it was docudrama based on a young man that joined the Moonies and was later kidnapped and deprogrammed. The deprogramer in the film is based on attorney Ford Greene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Greene

It was a good movie, for it's time (1981), in depicting the various ruses that are used by cults to target & entrap new members.

[video=youtube;UoavV7D74BU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavV7D74BU[/video]

The same year, Kristy McNichol & her brother, Jimmy, co-starred in a TV version, titled, 'Blinded by the Light', of a kid joining a cult, and being kidnapped & deprogrammed.

[video=youtube;D0I18QKYIhY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0I18QKYIhY[/video]

 

[NoName]

Interesting stuff, Smurf. I honestly didn't know much about them til I read Hassan's books (as a result of my brush with the CO$).

 

[Smurf]

This is a very good article about the True Parents & the True Children, who lived in opulence, and ate of plates lined in gold, while lower level Moonies avoid food & sleep to sell trinkets on city streets. It was written by Rev. Moon's daughter-in-law who fled the family..

http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif148.html

Moonies were drilled to believe that feeling tired (lack of sleep) was due to "sleepy spirits". I knew a family that had lost touch with their Moonie daughter, and only became privy to her whereabouts when a van full of Moonies ran off the road & overturned. The driver was killed. (He had fallen asleep at the wheel). Police found letters & other documents belonging to the family's daughter.

There are many horror stories attributed to the UC.

 

[Operating DB]

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to initiate a post about Sun Myung Moon's death seeing that it's been all over the news all day. I thought of starting one but figured someone would beat me to the punch but then I thought maybe no one seems to be that interested in it.

My post title would have been "Another cult leader bites the dust".

I wonder how scientology would have fared if hubbard lived to be 92?!

 

[SweetnessandLight]

I can honestly say that a very large part of my early inoculation against all things Scientology came from my experience in the 70's with rescuing and deprogramming a very dear childhood friend who got waylaid from college and brainwashed by the Moonies. He was in and working for them for free for years, totally disconnected from his family, and was married (following orders) to a near total stranger in one of those mass wedding ceremonies.

A small group of very close friends of ours moved heaven and earth to get him away from the Cult long enough to attend his sister's wedding, and then persuaded and prevented him from returning to the Cult, while we worked on "deprogramming" him. We were successful, he and his wife both left the Cult, and went on to build a successful and happy life.

Many years later I had to go and stay with him in his house for several days while I helped him to handle his PTSD panic attack issues following the Heaven's Gate Cult mass suicide, which happened fairly near to where he lived.

It shook him to his core.

"There was a time", he said, "When I so would have done that!"...

"I know", I said. "I was there. I remember how terrified you were that you were going to Hell for leaving the Moonies...."

"Did I even say 'thank you' back then," he asked? "You guys saved me!"

I saw that film, "Ticket to Heaven", when it first came out. It made me feel utterly sick to my stomach, as it was very intensely too close to home for me, after my experience with my good friend. I recommend that ALL here watch it!

God bless Ford Greene and his sister, and their family. I wish them all the best.

 

[Stat]

I remember Moon's people tried to recruit me and I was kind of laughing to myself and thinking that I will never get fooled by a cult.

About 4 months later, I was doing Dianetics Seminar. The rest is a history.

 

[Freeminds]

It will be interesting to see what happens next. The death of the founder is a very difficult time for a cult. The new leader will never quite be able to summon up the same level of authority and legitimacy, even in his most loyal supporters, while many will always think that some different leader would be doing a better job. In later life, Moon basically set up the leadership of his cult to be dynastic in nature, with his sons taking over. (Yay, patriarchy...) Sons plural... which would seem to increase the likelihood of fragmentation. Also, a dynasty might be seen as less likely to produce successful cult leaders and administrators than a meritocratic approach.

Scientology survived the transitional phase (unless you're a cheapzoner, and feel that what Miscavige delivers isn't Scientology), but a lot of cults fail when the leader dies. Will anybody remember the Moonies a generation from now? We'll see. There are certainly a lot of them -- it's orders of magnitude bigger than the number of people who remain in Scientology. Still, I expect it will begin to fragment and fade now.

The Moonies appear to have been more conventionally religious than the Scientology business. I wonder if that will make a difference?

 

[Smilla]

This article is a bit deferential to the creep, but gives relevant info about his death.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...founder-of-unification-church-dies-at-92?lite

Nothing of value was lost. Good riddance.

 

[Smurf]

God bless Ford Greene and his sister, and their family. I wish them all the best.

Alot has changed over the years, and Ford is no longer disconnected from his Moonie sister, Catherine. She, her husband & kids are all on his Facebook page. Evidence that time heals wounds.

 

[GoNuclear]

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to initiate a post about Sun Myung Moon's death seeing that it's been all over the news all day. I thought of starting one but figured someone would beat me to the punch but then I thought maybe no one seems to be that interested in it.

My post title would have been "Another cult leader bites the dust".

I wonder how scientology would have fared if hubbard lived to be 92?!

It may very well have gone like this ... an auto accident or airplane crash would have been arranged for Mary Sue and the HubTurd's remaining three children. DM and Pat Broeker would have sequestered the HubTurd, and there would have been a special service for the HubTurd family. It may very well have been held at the Holywood Bowl. But it would have started out with grief and ended with a great deal of anger, as DM would have pointed out all of the strange coincidences around the crash and then gone on to point his finger at the CIA, Interpol, and psychiatry. Once the clams were whipped into a frenzy, the plate would have been passed to raise a warchest to go after Scientology's enemies.

Sequestered and without his family, the HubTurd could have been kept alive indefinitely, especially if tricked into supplying audio tapes for years to come as well as signatures, fingerprints, etc. At some point, probably by the early 1990's, programming somebody's voice via their voice prints would have been possible on a higher end computer, like one of those Silicon Graphic's workstations that were going for 80k back then but are a low end consumer computer today. Keeping the HubTurd alive indefinitely would have been a better strategy than "gone off to audit the higher bands of oatee without a body."

Really, all that would have been needed for this scenario is for the HubTurd to have stayed alive a bit longer for DM to consolidate power, but MarySue and the HubTurd kids would have needed to have been disappeared.

Pete

 

[FOMResearch]

"During the time of the "Koreagate" scandal in 1976-1977, the Fraser Committee found that the National Intelligence Service of South Korea (KCIA), had, among other things, been using the Unification Church as a political tool in its various anti-communist activities. The KCIA's general goal was to influence the domestic and foreign politics and policies of the United States. Eighty-one pages of the 447-page Fraser Report (pages 311-392) deals specifically with the Moon organization. The term "KCIA" occurs sixty-eight times within those eighty-one pages." Source:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-hassan/why-the-reported-sale-of-_b_707744.html

Please also see:

http://freedomofmind.com/Info/infoDet.php?id=137&title=Moon_Organization__-_Resources

http://freedomofmind.com/Info/docs/fraserport.pdf