Survey #2
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Quite so. The term "memory bank" was used as an analogy. In fact no such "banks" of data or of perceptions exist.
On the other hand anything that has ever been brought into existence in this universe and which is (or was at some stage) capable of being perceived and known by any thetan can be so perceived and known by any thetan today.
This is axiomatic.
Vin the statement is nothing more than one way of looking at it. Are there other ways of looking at it? Yes.
Is there such a thing as a memory bank? Probably not. If you want to use the label memory banks for the purpose of discussing your POV then that's fine. If you want to state that memory banks are an irrefutable fact, your names probably Ron Hubbard.
As time would have been one of the perceptions recorded, it stands to reason that they could be recalled by time. But are they filed by time & cross referenced? I doubt it.
Does the mind on occasion think in similarities? It would appear so.
Pete
Is there such a thing as a memory bank? Probably not. If you want to use the label memory banks for the purpose of discussing your POV then that's fine. If you want to state that memory banks are an irrefutable fact, your names probably Ron Hubbard.
As time would have been one of the perceptions recorded, it stands to reason that they could be recalled by time. But are they filed by time & cross referenced? I doubt it.
Does the mind on occasion think in similarities? It would appear so.
Pete
The Oracle
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If a person has mocked up a memory bank. If a person mocks up memories.
If a person has A=A going on.
T.I.
Royal Prince Xenu
Trust the Psi Corps.
With enough time and work, any memory can be dug up. Where it is stored, I am not willing to speculate.
beyond_horizons
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All dis-memberings and re-memberings, past , present and future are already stored and accessible in and amongst the various members of the multiverse.
It all depends on who, what, where and a when one chooses to image-in or image-out through one's imagination.
It all depends on who, what, where and a when one chooses to image-in or image-out through one's imagination.
Little Bear Victor
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If I don't get stuck on the significance of "memory bank" but simply consider whatever the mechanism that people remember by is in its stead, I have to say that it is definitely amazing with what detail one can recall the most trivial things. I even sometimes remember my dreams of more than 25 years ago like as if I just saw them. I'm pretty sure everything gets recorded. Where or how I don't know, nor whether it is ALL retrievable, but once something has happened, it can't be made to be "unhappened" -- which is a rather fundamental disagreement I have with certain axioms that state the contrary.
However, I also suspect that memory gets 'revised' in light of new facts and experience; sometimes rightly; sometimes wrongly. There are any number of things I experienced decades ago that suddenly lept into actual comprehension in light of new knowledge, but, I suspect that also, one 'revises' a memory to better fit into 'current perception'.
It's a two-edged and not 'absolute' sword.
Zinj
Little Bear Victor
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That, yes, and another thing: Enormous amounts of experience seems to get discarded as trivial or "repetitive". Sort of like there was a "memory space compressor" at work, for example, if you do the same thing over and over again it finally barely registers as it is not a new experience. For example, I cannot recall what I ate for dinner three days ago with any ease although you would think that would be one of the easiest thing in the universe to recall. But you eat all the time and it is not a new experience, so barely seems to register. But when I think of how did I first meet someone, it may be very easy even if it was 10, 20 or 30 years ago: it was a new experience.
Also, when I read a datum I have heard before, it seems to attach as a modifier to the already experienced or learned datum and doesn't really file as a datum of it's own; rather as a conclusion. So, in my mind "bananas are yellow" is a datum, not a collection of 74657 instances of observing it is so. At least that's how it works to me. It would be impossible for me to describe experience # 35786 of observing that bananas are yellow, and I dare assume it would be so for anyone else, too.
Royal Prince Xenu
Trust the Psi Corps.
In a qualified manner, I agree with Zinj and Victor. In day to day life, repetitive memories get compressed, but I believe with the right tools they can be uncompressed and broken down into individual items.
As for revisionist memories, I think that depends on the type of memory involved. If it is 'absolute', e.g., something that has been knowingly and intently committed to memory (like phone number) is unlikely to vary or be lost.
I do have an excellent example of a revised memory. The Mercans among you may not get this.
In the episode of The Goodies: Knutters Knoll, Graeme Garden makes an appearance as a very early badly constructed Cyberman. All the equipment he is wearing is supposed to help him in his new hobby of UFO-spotting, and he was talking in a not-quite falsetto voice.
T: "Why are you talking in that voice?"
G: "The normal voice frequencies can interfere with the equipment. You'll find all UFO-spotters talk like this."
T: "Really? Oh, yes, they do, don't they?"
Years later, I saw a News intereview with a long time train-spotter--and he was speaking in exactly the same way!
My parents never did understand why I spent five minutes rolling around on the floor laughing with tears streaming out my eyes. The original joke had been funny, but with the source exposed, all I could see was Graeme with his outrageous costume and giant headlight looking for UFOs.
As for revisionist memories, I think that depends on the type of memory involved. If it is 'absolute', e.g., something that has been knowingly and intently committed to memory (like phone number) is unlikely to vary or be lost.
I do have an excellent example of a revised memory. The Mercans among you may not get this.
In the episode of The Goodies: Knutters Knoll, Graeme Garden makes an appearance as a very early badly constructed Cyberman. All the equipment he is wearing is supposed to help him in his new hobby of UFO-spotting, and he was talking in a not-quite falsetto voice.
T: "Why are you talking in that voice?"
G: "The normal voice frequencies can interfere with the equipment. You'll find all UFO-spotters talk like this."
T: "Really? Oh, yes, they do, don't they?"
Years later, I saw a News intereview with a long time train-spotter--and he was speaking in exactly the same way!
My parents never did understand why I spent five minutes rolling around on the floor laughing with tears streaming out my eyes. The original joke had been funny, but with the source exposed, all I could see was Graeme with his outrageous costume and giant headlight looking for UFOs.
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