Susan Meister - Death and Cover-up On The High Seas

[Freeminds]

Some reports I've read say there were no powder burns on the body... which means Susan was shot from considerably more than arm's length. (Or perhaps, through a pillow.) If true, that rules out a self-inflicted wound entirely.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Thank you Grey Wolf for lighting another candle in Susan's memory. I remember well the day I was reading through 'Why Are They Dead' (mirrored HERE thank Xenu as the original site expired) and came across Ms. Meister's tragic story, then watched the CW hearings where her dad testified, it brought me to tears of rage and sorrow (being a dad myself and mostly human). LRon and crew were absolutely despicable, the cult is rotten to the core (as many realise, but too many don't) right from the git-go, so many deaths, so many cover-ups, appalling, sickening, disgusting and so much more.
I do not recall reading the 'Concerned Citizen' letter before, its left me a tad speechless, I knew there was massive fuckery involved and it just confirms into what depths of insanity and depravity the cult of Ron can lead a person.
I hope that one day, and its a stretch given the years that have passed, that the murderer is exposed, and those still alive who were complicit and in on the cover-up get caught in the headlights too.
My own initial thoughts were that she was murdered by someone whose advances were spurned, or rape/murder type of thing. Because of the cult messing with things I don't believe there was a check for other DNA or anything along those lines, the 'investigation' was a sham.
The multitude of those who've died as a result of associating with Scientology, oh man~so many, none should be forgotten, and the die-hard sippers of LRon's poison should be reminded, often, that the insanity began with Hubbard and has never ended.
The CoS has bloody hands and as far as I am concerned there is no washing it off no matter how the remaining members wish to paint the pig.
Sorry GW, didn't mean for this to become a rant, thanks again for your writings and great heart/soul.

@Freeminds, you did not maybe read all of the article GW posted?

From the reports, there was no trace of gunpowder residue on her forehead and no stippling around the wound. (Later forensic analysis would show that from the size and shape of the wound, the shot would have had to come from at least 16 feet away.)

 

[Sharone Stainforth]

How much money was spent in covering up Susan Meister's death? How much?

This is one of many deaths that niggles me repeatedly. It niggles me because it wasn't that long after I left the Apollo and i know how things were.

It is very similar to Lisa McPherson's death, because one minute we are on a high, and the next minute we are at death's door. Dead! You cannot go from one extreme to the other in a matter of days, without there being some thing that totally takes you over the edge. No way, no how.

In Ireland earlier on this year I met someone who claimed to be a nephew of Amos and Nate Jessop, he told me I had things the wrong way around - Amos was still in and Nate had left, that is totally contrary to everything written on the internet and guess what "Amos's nephew" - I don't believe it.

The funny thing about the whole event was I kept thinking he looked familiar, but I couldn't place him. After his story I thought heck, yeah I see it in his eyes. Wrong. If he was anybody's son, it would be Nate's, long time scientologist. How sad, that it should come to this. You did not fool me, maybe briefly, but you people have been playing this game of scientology for a long while and you do not fool everybody all of the time.

Get well soon, Jason.

Sorry, it was late and I was tired. That last line should read *Get well soon, Justin.*

Greywolf, you are correct, if this was a suicide, why the cover up. Why say there was a cholera out break when there was not, why try to pay George Meister off? Why did Marysue Hubbard remove all Susan's things from the cabin? Why? ,Why?, Why? There are far too many Whys.

 

[GreyWolf]

And you are doing a stellar job of shining the light on it.


I read the story and watched the video,few years ago (on Arnie's site) and it is so sad.


Opter

Thank you. And bless Arnie for keeping the data safe and available.

 

[GreyWolf]

I was on the ship at the time. Heard the gun go off.


At the time I was fairly new and just stayed obedient and believed as I was told.

Wow! I am glad you are out now.

 

[GreyWolf]

Thank-you for posting this, GreyWolf. The Susan Meister story should not be forgotten. Perhaps one day we will even flush out her killer.

Thank you. It will not be forgotten as long as I am alive.

 

[GreyWolf]

Susan Meister's death was tragic, but not entirely unforeseeable. You have a boat-load of people experimenting with altering their mental processes (with the best of intentions, or at least for personal reasons) led by a charismatic, mentally ill hypnotist and criminal. All of them are kept in close proximity, and shut away from the real, outside world. Their leader distils into them his own paranoia, and they believe him. Into this toxic atmosphere of distrust, and away from the rule of law (Hubbard really loved the sense of power that came from being captain of a ship in international waters)... complete with regular overboardings, the chain locker, and a brutal RPF... add an uncontrolled firearm.

The really despicable part, though, the Scientological part: what happened after Susan Meister died (or, was killed). Scientology was inherently bad long before the Lisa McPherson manslaughter.

Right. I hate what they did to George Meister.

 

[GreyWolf]

Thank you Grey Wolf for lighting another candle in Susan's memory. I remember well the day I was reading through 'Why Are They Dead' (mirrored HERE thank Xenu as the original site expired) and came across Ms. Meister's tragic story, then watched the CW hearings where her dad testified, it brought me to tears of rage and sorrow (being a dad myself and mostly human). LRon and crew were absolutely despicable, the cult is rotten to the core (as many realise, but too many don't) right from the git-go, so many deaths, so many cover-ups, appalling, sickening, disgusting and so much more.
I do not recall reading the 'Concerned Citizen' letter before, its left me a tad speechless, I knew there was massive fuckery involved and it just confirms into what depths of insanity and depravity the cult of Ron can lead a person.
I hope that one day, and its a stretch given the years that have passed, that the murderer is exposed, and those still alive who were complicit and in on the cover-up get caught in the headlights too.
My own initial thoughts were that she was murdered by someone whose advances were spurned, or rape/murder type of thing. Because of the cult messing with things I don't believe there was a check for other DNA or anything along those lines, the 'investigation' was a sham.
The multitude of those who've died as a result of associating with Scientology, oh man~so many, none should be forgotten, and the die-hard sippers of LRon's poison should be reminded, often, that the insanity began with Hubbard and has never ended.
The CoS has bloody hands and as far as I am concerned there is no washing it off no matter how the remaining members wish to paint the pig.
Sorry GW, didn't mean for this to become a rant, thanks again for your writings and great heart/soul.

@Freeminds, you did not maybe read all of the article GW posted?

Thanks for the rant. You should have seen me cussing and yelling while I was writing the story.

 

[GreyWolf]

Sorry, it was late and I was tired. That last line should read *Get well soon, Justin.*

Greywolf, you are correct, if this was a suicide, why the cover up. Why say there was a cholera out break when there was not, why try to pay George Meister off? Why did Marysue Hubbard remove all Susan's things from the cabin? Why? ,Why?, Why? There are far too many Whys.

You are so right my dear. There are far too many why's.

 

[AnonyMary]

It was suicide. Why was it "obviously not" ? Ken Urqhart gave all of the background in a post of his on this subject a few years ago.

And no, the love affair had not "gone wrong" AFAIK.

Could you provide a link to Ken's writing on this? I never read it and can't easily find it.

I did find this
IVy on the Wall
by Ken Urquhart, USA
Visibility: Poor
Chapter Eight in a Consideration of 'A Piece of Blue Sky' by Jon Atack

I was involved unknowingly in Susan Meister's situation. A week or so before her death, she had written to LRH asking his permission for her to leave the ship and return home. At that time, his policy on such was to refuse (it varied). I composed a reply to this effect and included it in his mail for signature. He signed it. He was considerably put out when I reminded him of this - he had signed the reply without reading it or its original request (and this was not unusual practice for him - I should have known better). From then on, I put a warning note on any similar reply composed for him to sign.

Further, on Susan Meister: Jon quotes some letters she wrote home in high enthusiasm about Scientology and what she took to be the mission of the Sea Org. He quotes them as examples of how gullible SO members were. We had a number of people on the ship who came without a great deal of education but with at least some experience of street drugs (I don't know if Susan had a drug history or not; she was certainly not well educated). Finding themselves on the ship, and sometimes with menial jobs and very unattractive berthing, some of them let their imaginations run wild, and their false enthusiasms flap. Many of them graduated through that phase to some maturity and, in some cases, great ability. I believe that Susan Meister was unable to face the growth that staying on the ship challenged her to encompass; I will always deeply regret that her cry came through me, and I chose to adhere to the current policy rather than to hear her, listen to her, and help her in compassion and good sense.

http://www.freezoneamerica.org/ivy/bluesky/part8.htm

 

[Veda]

Could you provide a link to Ken's writing on this? I never read it and can't easily find it.

I did find this
IVy on the Wall
by Ken Urquhart, USA
Visibility: Poor
Chapter Eight in a Consideration of 'A Piece of Blue Sky' by Jon Atack


http://www.freezoneamerica.org/ivy/bluesky/part8.htm

Jeez. What a creep Ken U. was when he wrote the above.

He takes a dig at Susan Meister - who wasn't well enough "educated" to benefit from the wonderful environment on the Apollo - and portrays Hubbard as having no blame, taking that on himself.

Wonder where that kind of thinking derives?


Excerpt from the 1967 'Bolivar' PL of 12 February 1967, formally titled HCO Policy Letter 'Admin Know-How, the Responsibility of Leaders' -a.k.a. The Bolivar Policy Letter - on the topic of how a subordinate should relate to his "power":

"[The power asks] 'What are those dead bodies doing at the door'. And if you [the subordinate] are clever, you never let it be known HE [the power] killed them - that weakens you and also hurts the power source. 'Well, boss about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn't like me'. 'Well', he'll say if he really is a power, 'Why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you did it. Where's my blue ink?...

"...always push power in the direction of anyone on whose power you depend. It may be more money for the power, or more ease, or a snarling defense of the power to the critic, or even the dull thud of one of his enemies in the dark, or the glorious blaze of a whole enemy camp as a birthday surprise...

"...Real powers are developed by tight conspiracies of this kind... and if they are right and also manage their man [the power] and keep him from collapsing from overwork, bad temper or bad data, a kind of juggernaut builds up."

 

[GreyWolf]

Jeez. What a creep Ken U. was when he wrote the above.

He takes a dig at Susan Meister - who wasn't well enough "educated" to benefit from the wonderful environment on the Apollo - and portrays Hubbard as having no blame, taking that on himself.

Wonder where that kind of thinking derives?


Excerpt from the 1967 'Bolivar' PL of 12 February 1967, formally titled HCO Policy Letter 'Admin Know-How, the Responsibility of Leaders' -a.k.a. The Bolivar Policy Letter - on the topic of how a subordinate should relate to his "power":

"[The power asks] 'What are those dead bodies doing at the door'. And if you [the subordinate] are clever, you never let it be known HE [the power] killed them - that weakens you and also hurts the power source. 'Well, boss about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn't like me'. 'Well', he'll say if he really is a power, 'Why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you did it. Where's my blue ink?...

"...always push power in the direction of anyone on whose power you depend. It may be more money for the power, or more ease, or a snarling defense of the power to the critic, or even the dull thud of one of his enemies in the dark, or the glorious blaze of a whole enemy camp as a birthday surprise...

"...Real powers are developed by tight conspiracies of this kind... and if they are right and also manage their man [the power] and keep him from collapsing from overwork, bad temper or bad data, a kind of juggernaut builds up."

Thanks Veda

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Jeez. What a creep Ken U. was when he wrote the above.

He takes a dig at Susan Meister - who wasn't well enough "educated" to benefit from the wonderful environment on the Apollo - and portrays Hubbard as having no blame, taking that on himself.

Wonder where that kind of thinking derives?


Excerpt from the 1967 'Bolivar' PL of 12 February 1967, formally titled HCO Policy Letter 'Admin Know-How, the Responsibility of Leaders' -a.k.a. The Bolivar Policy Letter - on the topic of how a subordinate should relate to his "power":

"[The power asks] 'What are those dead bodies doing at the door'. And if you [the subordinate] are clever, you never let it be known HE [the power] killed them - that weakens you and also hurts the power source. 'Well, boss about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn't like me'. 'Well', he'll say if he really is a power, 'Why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you did it. Where's my blue ink?...

"...always push power in the direction of anyone on whose power you depend. It may be more money for the power, or more ease, or a snarling defense of the power to the critic, or even the dull thud of one of his enemies in the dark, or the glorious blaze of a whole enemy camp as a birthday surprise...

"...Real powers are developed by tight conspiracies of this kind... and if they are right and also manage their man [the power] and keep him from collapsing from overwork, bad temper or bad data, a kind of juggernaut builds up."

Urq pretty much spent his entire time on the Apollo (with the exception of brief forays to the Flag Bureaux area and Course Room in the Lower Tween Decks and Holds) entirely in the comparatively comfy, roomy and posh confines of the Prom Deck, A Deck and B Deck with his own Cabin amd private Office.

As I have written here on ESMB, those Decks were the "World Apart" that the CommodeDoor, Mary Sue and the Children, and "Inner Circle" lived and worked in.

Not only did El Ron sign reams of stuff Hisself never looked at, Hisself invariably ignored the the information about and noticing the visually obvious deplorable conditions for a majority of the Crew. For a short while, I suppose one could fined it "challanging" and the frenetic and Spartan enviornment as a "Character Building" opportunity, but, after months and years of it it was withering and, to some, mind bending and "Soul cracking", IMHO.

Face

 

[Sautez]

Murder: From Rob's blog:


'Hands crossed over her chest with the Colt .22 caliber long barreled revolver lying on her chest underneath her hands. The police refused to give him copied of the reports, or even the picture. When they arrived at Safi, they went to the morgue. The attendant could not find the body. From the reports, there was no trace of gunpowder residue on her forehead and no stippling around the wound. (Later forensic analysis would show that from the size and shape of the wound, the shot would have had to come from at least 16 feet away.)'

How can you shoot yourself in the forehead from 16 feet away, lay down, cross your hands over the gun like a lover?

It's NOT going to happen.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

BTW, for all his gentlemanly manners and ways, Urq could be acutely acerbic.

I was never an SO cook or CommodeDoor’s Chef but I was a pretty darned good "Country Style"
cook…especially BBQ. There was a period in time when I would BBQ on Libs day for some of my “Inner Circle” friends and Mary Sue, being a rural Texas gal, often came by and had a plate and “let her hair down” with us for a while.

One week she asked me if I was BBQing this weekend and when I said, “Yes” she asked what it was going to be and I replied, “I dunno. What would you like?” She
thought a moment and said, “Can you do shish kabob?”

“You bet.” I replied, “Shish kabob it is.”

Mary Sue arrived at the BBQ accompanied by Urq. Mary Sue LOVED the vittles but Urq just picked at them, took a tentative nibble here and there, frowned, tossed his napkin on the table and stood up. “Pantomime,” he huffed and walked away.

We all started chuckling and busted a gut when Fred Hare, one of the regular BBQ gang quipped, “And, being a Limey, he for damn sure knows what good food is.”

I know this Thread is about a serious and tragic matter. This story is the best way I know how to say that I am not shocked that Urq took a swipe at Ms. Meister and that there is an aspect to his personality that, unless you knew him, you would not know about…as so for all of Us.

Face

 

[phenomanon]

Urq pretty much spent his entire time on the Apollo (with the exception of brief forays to the Flag Bureaux area and Course Room in the Lower Tween Decks and Holds) entirely in the comparatively comfy, roomy and posh confines of the Prom Deck, A Deck and B Deck with his own Cabin amd private Office.

As I have written here on ESMB, those Decks were the "World Apart" that the CommodeDoor, Mary Sue and the Children, and "Inner Circle" lived and worked in.

Not only did El Ron sign reams of stuff Hisself never looked at, Hisself invariably ignored the the information about and noticing the visually obvious deplorable conditions for a majority of the Crew. For a short while, I suppose one could fined it "challanging" and the frenetic and Spartan enviornment as a "Character Building" opportunity, but, after months and years of it it was withering and, to some, mind bending and "Soul cracking", IMHO.

Face

I got offa that hellhole as fast as I could.

 

[Freeminds]

Makes me wonder what kind of indignities and risks Scientology victims are facing on the MV Freewinds, right now. Because you can bet your bottom dollar that the same old Scientology is still producing the same results.

Look after your loved ones - and reach out again to the ones who were compelled to disconnect from you. Scientology needs to end.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Makes me wonder what kind of indignities and risks Scientology victims are facing on the MV Freewinds, right now. Because you can bet your bottom dollar that the same old Scientology is still producing the same results.

Look after your loved ones - and reach out again to the ones who were compelled to disconnect from you. Scientology needs to end.

The Apollo was an isolated "seperate reality"...physically, legally, functionally and perceptually.

My Heart goes out to those that are willingly and unwillingly "shackled" in that place.

It's so hard to describe in terms that others would ever fully understand just what it was like on the Apollo. I have never set foot on the Freewinds but have read enough about it, and contemporary Scn and the So, to know that I would NEVER want my children or loved one to set foot on it.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

I got offa that hellhole as fast as I could.

Some pigs are smarter than others. You were a smarter pig than I.

 

[Leon]

I have been in private comm with another person who was also on the Apollo at the time of Susan Meister's death and it appears that I may be mistaken in my belief that the gun belonged to Amos Jessup and that the death was by suicide.

Both of these points were told to me at the time on the ship and I accepted them at face value. It is not certain that I am wrong about them, but it may be.