Sydney Anon - A perspective from the "inside" on your protests.

Carmel

Crusader
Hello Pyro, Supafreak, and our Anon Syd legends,

We now have "betrayed" on ESMB - She was in the SO on AOSH ANZO crew, till six months ago. She was inside when you protested outside at Greek St. Tonight on "chat", I asked her how you guys were perceived. Here's some info that I copied from "chat" tonight (I edited it to put in sequence, and omitted some of my dribble):

Q - Hey betrayed, i'm dying to know what was happening within the org, when the anon protests were going on outside?

A - Oh security thought it was pointless. No one was aloud to walk between the lobby... Also children believe it or not were hidden so that the camera could not see them

Q - And did you crew talk amongst yourselves about what was going on?

A - No I thought that it was amuzing and when they stating facts that I believed where true... well it did hit home... realy hard and did make me want to come out... the majority of the time

Q - Did ya think the anon were suppressive, or no?

A - The org thought they were...

Q - Do ya mind if I post this on their message board?

A - no go for it.....I want the message out

A - If you want to let them know that the facts that really hit home are: 1. Not seeing family 2. Not having time off. 3. Not having enough sleep. 4. Schedule fucked. 5. Splitting up marriages.

A - Oh and tell them that security laugh at them when they are dancing... so does Cyrus Brooks

A - and Alex Kutosov... PPRO she thinks she makes an impact on them

A - the org thinks that these guys are a bunch of recruited teenagers that have no idea on what they are protesting on

A - Yeah OSA and etc think that they have control.... but they so don't

A - but tell them Carmel those points because security make it an entertainment show... additionally get ppl to film on the inside.... ie ppl from OSA or CLO going in a disguise within the protest and filming and recording them

A - Also Cyrus gets security to get footage on anyone who takes their mask off

Q - Are these guys (the scios who pretend to be Anons) crew or public?

A - No they change regularly so that Anon can't keep track

A - Both.... one of the public was... Kim Parsons. Luke Graham

Q - Does Luke have blonde hair?

A - Um yeah he is about 6 foot 3 or something long blondish hair... carries a camera his bro works for the church Sydney org called tim graham

A - Carmel they also have the Police on the churches side... someone who isn't anon needs to expose the church to the police so that the police leave them to protest not just escort them away

A - Yeah I know for a fact thou that the CHief of Poicy Glebe is on the church's side cause he has come in personally and stated to Security that Anon are a waste of time and should leave a good church

Q - have you heard him say this, or have you been told this?

A - I heard something along the lines of this when I was sitting at reception

A - But they also need to know that the Church blast music so that the noise doesn't get in the org

Q - do they blast it on the inside?

A - Yep

Q - so the crew can't hear the loud speaker?

A - Yeah and the public get kept clear of the lobby

A - Oh yeah they change the break time if they are protesting around 3:30ish to 4:15 so that the public don't hear them


Betrayed is happy to let ya know anything she knows or help ya with whatever, so feel free to ask her.

Needless to say, goodonya Sydney Anon! :thumbsup:
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Excellent data!

There is a lot of inside information coming out now because the cult can not maintain the loyalty of Scientologists. With all its lying and abuse, the cult does not deserve the loyalty of earnest Scientologists who would never abuse anyone.

We need more and more inside info like this, until all the "inside" info - is outside!

Thank you, Betrayed.

I'm sure your information will be put to good use!
 

anon2487

Patron with Honors
Thanks. It's invaluable to finally hear an "inside take."

Betrayed is happy to let ya know anything she knows or help ya with whatever, so feel free to ask her.
Cool beans.

Hi Betrayed, I'm pleased that you're out and able to hear all sides of the story now. Hopefully things will work out well for you. :happydance:

Thanks for the info, yours is the first true "fly on the wall" account of the protests that most of us have had.

Okey dokey, here goes...

Q - Hey betrayed, i'm dying to know what was happening within the org, when the anon protests were going on outside?

A - Oh security thought it was pointless...
I'm assuming you mean "pointless" in the sense of "What do they think they're gonna achieve?...they're just prancing around making fools of them self" etc. [Please could you correct this if I've misunderstood you.]

  • Assuming that the above is accurate, is there any sense of Scientology being under siege at the moment? [Since the protests started, the "church" has suffered a sustained onslaught of bad publicity.]

  • Is it common knowledge that the protests are global?

A - Oh and tell them that security laugh at them when they are dancing... so does Cyrus Brooks
  • "Funny haha" or "funny :no: "?

A - and Alex Kutosov... PPRO she thinks she makes an impact on them
  • Do you know of any specific things she's done that make her think this?

A - but tell them Carmel those points because security make it an entertainment show...
  • When you say "entertainment show," what do you mean? I don't really understand.

A - But they also need to know that the Church blast music so that the noise doesn't get in the org

Q - do they blast it on the inside?

A - Yep

Q - so the crew can't hear the loud speaker?

A - Yeah and the public get kept clear of the lobby
  • What is the atmosphere like inside when a protest is going on? Tense/ normal/fake "tone 40"/genuinely fun (with all the music inside, and so on [maybe this was what you meant by entertainment])?
We have 2 types of protests: "main" monthly ones that CoS knows about in advance, and small "flash" protests, the date and time of which people try to keep fairly secret.
  • On a scale of 1 to 10, how much disruption does a protest cause, and does it make a big difference which of the 2 protest types it is?

A - If you want to let them know that the facts that really hit home are: 1. Not seeing family 2. Not having time off. 3. Not having enough sleep. 4. Schedule fucked. 5. Splitting up marriages.
This is interesting. Whilst we've been very effective in showing that the "Church's" fearsome reputation's no longer warranted (this stopped SO much media coverage from happening in the past it's untrue) - as far as we can tell - we've not been very effective in directly causing people to leave.

  • Would you agree/disagree with this last statement?

Thanks in advance.:thumbsup:
 

DCAnon

Silver Meritorious Patron
This is actually exactly what I expected they'd do. XD I'm sure our org did something similar with the "infiltrations" and laughing at us dance, though we do know for a fact that our metro police aren't on their side. Cool beans!
 

supafreak

Patron Meritorious
Thank you for posting this, Carmel. This is great!

I've not seen Alex making an impact on anyone. They probably sent her out because she's blonde and attractive, to try and sway the male Anons.

Haven't noticed an infiltrator for a while...we used to have a fat guy in a black Spiderman mask, who used to film people. Infiltrators are easy to spot.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Yes, I confess...

I used to look at Anons/Protesters and think, "what a bunch of idiots!"

Nowadays I look back on how I was, I look back at the unhappy people inside the CofS,
I look at so many of my dearest friends still-in and think, "what a bunch of idiots!"
 

Betrayed

New Member
Your answers to Anon2487

Your answers are in Bold between u'r questions

Thanks. It's invaluable to finally hear an "inside take."


Cool beans.

Hi Betrayed, I'm pleased that you're out and able to hear all sides of the story now. Hopefully things will work out well for you. :happydance:

Thanks for the info, yours is the first true "fly on the wall" account of the protests that most of us have had.

Okey dokey, here goes...

I'm assuming you mean "pointless" in the sense of "What do they think they're gonna achieve?...they're just prancing around making fools of them self" etc. [Please could you correct this if I've misunderstood you.]

Yes they think it is pointless..... and what they think they are gonna achieve..... basically all of what you said is what they think...

  • Assuming that the above is accurate, is there any sense of Scientology being under siege at the moment? [Since the protests started, the "church" has suffered a sustained onslaught of bad publicity.]

Well it goes like this... Cyrus and Alex go out there with Scio booklets thinking that ppl that are watching them will have questions about scientology.... therefor they will walk in.... but anyway that is their view pointn. My vp is that if their messages go out and they started to get me to look when they stated things like ppls family getting split up I was like that is true... no SO member or Scientologist can turn away from that one fact... neither can the public

  • Is it common knowledge that the protests are global?

Not that I know of... but from talking on the phone to ppl that were at FLAG or AOLA yeah they have a simular viewpoint....
  • "Funny haha" or "funny :no: "?

Funny haha...

  • Do you know of any specific things she's done that make her think this?

Well when she went out there she used to think that just by talking to the other ppl that are protesting she would be getting ppl to see that Scio is not was Anon is making it out to be... She would come in laughing or smiling stating that they are just kids.... and get public to hand out books to the Anon Protestors and see if they have any questions

  • When you say "entertainment show," what do you mean? I don't really understand.

Meaning that security had to stop public and staff looking at Anon... some ppl thought that they were entertaining... so did security they thought that they looked funny by doing dancing or whatever. Cyrus used to say that they need dance lessons... I think just because they pull alot of attention... it does become a problem so OSA degrade it saying it is an entertainment show.... Also the music that was played by Anon... definately not the entertainment from the inside... Honestly I think it is a degrading noise from the church to lessen Anon Ethics Presence as to say in terms that I only know how to say it

  • What is the atmosphere like inside when a protest is going on? Tense/ normal/fake "tone 40"/genuinely fun (with all the music inside, and so on [maybe this was what you meant by entertainment])?

Well the staff get told to say productive....but their tone is fake... it is more curiousity then anything else... Its Tense from Security and OSA wise... fake with the staff... Normal with the public

We have 2 types of protests: "main" monthly ones that CoS knows about in advance, and small "flash" protests, the date and time of which people try to keep fairly secret.
  • On a scale of 1 to 10, how much disruption does a protest cause, and does it make a big difference which of the 2 protest types it is?

7-9 on the unstable SO members
2 on ppl that are really indoctrinated in Scio
8-10 on unstable public as Scios

U got to understand that your message impinges on the unstable ppl... in that case was like myself unstable on Scio and SO... so your messages made me look.... I even got accused of joining Anon when I was fighting my way to the door to get out.

So the scaling is very high... keep them going.... in no way do I think that they are pointless... I think the message gets out and impinges on ppl that are not stable...




This is interesting. Whilst we've been very effective in showing that the "Church's" fearsome reputation's no longer warranted (this stopped SO much media coverage from happening in the past it's untrue) - as far as we can tell - we've not been very effective in directly causing people to leave.

  • Would you agree/disagree with this last statement?

Disagree I think u have caused an effect because whatever u communicate that is real to Scio and SO members such as breaking up familys etc.... u do cause ppl to have a look I am a shear product of that

I really hope this hopes..... Please let me know when u have more questions. And I hope I duplicated them correctly... let me know pls
Thanks in advance.:thumbsup:
 
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Feral

Rogue male
G'day Betrayed,

How many crew are left at AOSH ANZO and what were the most crew they had?

Are crew defecting like the public?

Is it hard to get the GI stats these days?
 
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Betrayed

New Member
U'r answers

G'day Betrayed,

How many crew are let at AOSH ANZO and what were the mot crew they had?

Are crew defecting like the public?

Is it hard to get the GI stats these days?

When I was there 157

Not really sure...

GI stats average 120000 to 250000 sometimes lower a week...
 

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
<snip> A - Oh and tell them that security laugh at them when they are dancing... so does Cyrus Brooks <snip>
Who cares if they laugh? - Firstly it's supposed to be funny, secondly the show is for the unsuspecting public more than the scilons... Get's on TV and Anonymous mentioned for 'makin protesting sexy again!'.. I tell you.. PR does not get better than that!

:yes:
 

Feral

Rogue male
When I was there 157

Not really sure...

GI stats average 120000 to 250000 sometimes lower a week...

WOW, That's a cool half to a whole million a month, plenty of room for that to go down!

I can't recall what the most number of staff was when they went 'saint hill size'. I think it was more than 200 though.

Thanks Betrayed.
 

Carmel

Crusader
WOW, That's a cool half to a whole million a month, plenty of room for that to go down!

I can't recall what the most number of staff was when they went 'saint hill size'. I think it was more than 200 though.

Thanks Betrayed.
I think Betrayed left around six months ago, and per reports both the number on crew and the GI have decreased markedly in that time.
 

anon2487

Patron with Honors
Your answers are in Bold between u'r questions
Thanks Betrayed.

That was quite a list of questions :ohmy:, so really appreciate you taking the time. It's incredibly useful hearing your answers.
And I hope I duplicated them correctly... let me know pls
(yep, you duplicated them all correctly!)

Thanks again, and good luck with everything!
 
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DCAnon

Silver Meritorious Patron
Who cares if they laugh? - Firstly it's supposed to be funny, secondly the show is for the unsuspecting public more than the scilons... Get's on TV and Anonymous mentioned for 'makin protesting sexy again!'.. I tell you.. PR does not get better than that!

:yes:

Can't convince people Anons are terrorists when they faildance. :3 Staff and management might try but if the Scios are actually laughing, they can see how ludicrous the lies are about the "violent, deadly enemies."

Plus, we have more fun then they do. :coolwink:
 

Wisened One

Crusader
Thank you Betrayal and Carmel!

Wonder what the Public are told...probably that they and their 'religion' are under attack by 'terrorists' :laugh:

BUT...I bet at least SOME of those Public are searching on the Net about all this after going home from course or auditing...and slowly realising some things.....:think:
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
That's quite true, WO, the CofS thrives on having a sufficiency of enemies.
When they don't have enough, they create or invent them.

It's all about keeping Staff and Public on a "war-footing".

Good people tend not to abandon allegience in the middle of a fight, hence the constant war-mongering and attention on enemies-of-CofS.

To lurking scientologists; "I just wanted to find out more about our enemies!" is a good Justification.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
That's quite true, WO, the CofS thrives on having a sufficiency of enemies.
When they don't have enough, they create or invent them.

It's all about keeping Staff and Public on a "war-footing".

Good people tend not to abandon allegience in the middle of a fight, hence the constant war-mongering and attention on enemies-of-CofS.

To lurking scientologists; "I just wanted to find out more about our enemies!" is a good Justification.

Exactly!!

:goodposting:
 

Outethicsofficer

Silver Meritorious Patron
A parent and a recent scio's view.

If it helps I'd like to share some data regarding the effect Anon has had, Betrayed is my daughter and when she was in and a dedicated SO member she would mention it each and every time there was an Anon protest, so we got to hear about it and we live in ACT. Sometimes I would mention it to a Scio down here,just in passing. So the news of protests always got spread, now our family would not be the only ones who got to know. I'd find it difficult to quantify the effect Anon had on our family and getting our girl out, but it had some I am sure.

Below are some points of penetration that would've communicated to me, maybe not obviously but they go in subtly, then work away at the person and boom they are out and posting on the ESMB, just like me. Of course I am unique so they couldn't be exactly like me, that would piss me off, there is only one of me.:eyeroll:

Breaking promises made. (This point I feel communicates to many on so many levels, to public it adds up to poor or no delivery of the promised results, to staff and SO members it adds up to not getting the post they wanted and were told they would get etc.):no:

Time to see family.:no:

Poor food.:yes:

Little or no money even for personal items. :yes: ( We supported our daughter with money weekly $30 to $50 throughout the time she was in.)

Lack of proper care when sick.:yes:

What the hell happens to the elderly SO member when they are not up to the job, become a "burden", they have no pension plan, no superannuation, no where to live and possibly no family to take care of them.:confused2: :ohmy:

Big simply made signs, something like "SO DEMANDS ABORTIONS" "DID YOU EAT A GOOD BREAKFAST?" "LEAVE THE SO" " GO HOME YOUR MUM IS WAITING FOR YOU" " MISSING YOUR LOVED ONES? LEAVE THE SO" and so on.

The number of staff in the SO who miss Xmas with family is high, in three years we had one Xmas day with our daughter. :angry:

Keep protesting Anon, when is the next one? I might join you but without a mask, that is if you don't mind my crashing your party.:whistling:

James
 
Yes, one way that cults maintain control is that the victims TRUST the cult leaders. People see that they are being lied to about things but it is their own internal secret because they have been trained not to share information about the lying. Then, when one or two or three followers Do share the info about lying it is no longer a persons internal secret. That snaps the person into an external view of the cult. A more object view.
The anon protesters provide the conditions for this to happen. It is those protests that allow the followers to all see the truth out there in the open, outside of their internalised lie-avoiding mechanisms.

That's how the TRUST (which has already gotten shaky) is allowed to snap.
Without that trust they can let go of the cult.
 
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