Hmmm disagree
That really strikes me as unfair, Billy.
You'd know as well as anyone that your father wouldn't be permitted to come out of the AO by his Seniors and the Powers-that-be. The fact that it's being "asked" of him by Anons and Genny in the middle of an anti-scn protest makes it even less likely that he'd be able to respond in any way. He's trapped by the SO/CofS system.
I think that what Gen did at the protest was brave and confronting but it put your old man in an untenable position and will undoubtedly cause him much grief and heartache.
I don't claim to know all there is to know about the history between you and your Dad but one thing I do know; I've seen him in tears over it on more than one occassion.
I know it's not my place to butt in on your family affairs but now that you've brought it into a public forum, I'm sorry but I can't see how this approach is going to do any of you any good at all.
Hi Panda
I can see your point of veiw, but I don't agree. I feel that we achieved a huge amount by doing this. It PROVED to the Anons in Sydney that disconnection DOES happen. It proved to the Anons that scientology IS a cold heartless organisation. Of course we thought he wouldn't be allowed to come out even if he wanted to, but we did have a tiny thread of hope that he might!
As far as doing it with Anons, I needed to feel safe! The Anons gave me the strength and the numbers to do this - I could have gone on my own, but I'm a known cyber-terrorist! My daughter could have gone on her own too, but I don't know if I would ever see her again if she did this! (As well you know). It's important for the Anons to see that what is written on the forums and in people's stories does actually happen. It's the Anons who drive this anti-scn thing, and for them to stay motivated and keep things going along, they need to feel that it's worthwhile or they'll drop off and go and chase other more exciting things. This fired them up and made them determined to keep protesting as they saw and experienced the sad family scene first hand.
Of course my daughter wanted to meet her grandfather for the first time. It would have been exciting for her, and would have put a face to someone she's connected to by blood but has never seen. He has been quite abusive to Billy recently - obviously he's under pressure to recover past scns, and his son would have been his first port of call.
Yes, he's trapped in the scn prison. Yes, he thinks he's doing the right thing, but I felt that we may have been able to get him out that day. If he's ever had tears about his family as you say, then there's still a heart there and it may have given him the chance to feel strong enough to leave. I think it would have been different if we had stood outside and abused him, but we told him that he was loved both as a grandfather and as a scientologist.
This is very raw indeed. It affects us all now that it is public as you say. Ok, I agree with you about it probably causing grief to Bill snr, and that's inevitable. He has caused grief to his own family by leaving in the beginning. I had given birth to our first two children, the younger one was about 18 months and their Grandad said, 'Well, I'm not hanging around playing the grandfather game, I've got better things to do'. And he left for the SO.
THat was the end of it. Subsequently there have been more grandchildren born, none of whom he has met. He had a choice in this matter, and if you've seen his tears about the situation, then that's news to me. Not a card or a letter to the children ever.
THere will be many different opinions about the whys and wherefores about this, and some will agree and some won't. I think I did a good thing, and I still do.
He even implied the "church" would forgive me for what I posted, and asked me to go in there (after 10 years). Other friends have been called into OSA, and have received lengthy briefs on how bad we all are.
I've still got to upload your other speech, and you and alex. Sorry for the long wait once again.
How bizzare, but then again anyone capable of "handling" would have compassion, understanding, a care factor and at least be able to communicate in some sort of real terms. They obviously couldn't use anyone who had those qualities, 'cause doing that job, they'd be "out" in a flash.
(when we were discussing EA).
