Sydney Protest Pre-Report. 16/1/10- Anons Assaulted!

[TheBellMare]

Not how I see it

While I appreciate what Anons are doing and what Aaron is doing, I do not see the same things on this video that are described in this message board.

Speaking as a total wog, newbie and an impartial outsider to this situation, I see a group of guys in funny masks chasing after a guy in a blue t-shirt who seems to be walking quite calmly. The blue t shirt guy does seem to lose it for a minute, grabs the guy in his path and kisses him -- (Now that is pretty weird and not the actions of a reasonable man, and OK I see the assault charge there) -- but to me as a total outsider, I see the guys in funny masks are really acting unreasonably and trying to goad, chase, catch, and pressure the blue Tshirt guy.

My reaction to this is WTF is going on here?

I am just remembering different assault issues/trials that I have known about, and the question comes back to, are these the actions of reasonable people? BlueTshirt guy Mr Hanna's can make the case "Oh, they provoked me to anger, I apologize for the kiss/assault" (no statement at all needs to be made about his mental condition, you can speculate all you want but it makes no difference).

Get the CO$ on simple fraud charges. Get the CO$ on human rights issues. Get the CO$ on human trafficking issues. Protest and publicize so that people inside the church start to question.

BUT -- IMHO this kind of stuff portrayed in your video is counterproductive.

Sorry that I don't see your evidence the same way you see it. Remember that wogs like me are your potential jury pool.

 

[scooter]

While I appreciate what Anons are doing and what Aaron is doing, I do not see the same things on this video that are described in this message board.

Speaking as a total wog, newbie and an impartial outsider to this situation, I see a group of guys in funny masks chasing after a guy in a blue t-shirt who seems to be walking quite calmly. The blue t shirt guy does seem to lose it for a minute, grabs the guy in his path and kisses him -- (Now that is pretty weird and not the actions of a reasonable man, and OK I see the assault charge there) -- but to me as a total outsider, I see the guys in funny masks are really acting unreasonably and trying to goad, chase, catch, and pressure the blue Tshirt guy.

My reaction to this is WTF is going on here?

I am just remembering different assault issues/trials that I have known about, and the question comes back to, are these the actions of reasonable people? BlueTshirt guy Mr Hanna's can make the case "Oh, they provoked me to anger, I apologize for the kiss/assault" (no statement at all needs to be made about his mental condition, you can speculate all you want but it makes no difference).

Get the CO$ on simple fraud charges. Get the CO$ on human rights issues. Get the CO$ on human trafficking issues. Protest and publicize so that people inside the church start to question.

BUT -- IMHO this kind of stuff portrayed in your video is counterproductive.

Sorry that I don't see your evidence the same way you see it. Remember that wogs like me are your potential jury pool.

What you're missing is the lead-up to all of this. There are several vidoes from different angles plus the fact the Hanna was looking for Aaron (who can be seen walking down the street towards him in the video) and that Aaron has had an AVO taken out against him apparently and that Hanna's actions could easily be shown to be an attempt to provoke Aaron into some sort of assault.

Also, Hanna was the head of OSA for this area of scientology for many years, was the public face for the cult until he left, is STILL registered as a scilon minister and, as a trained lawyer, would know that the acts he committed are illegal and that there was no provable provocation - Malcolm certainly did nothing to provoke being kissed now did he?

Should this go to court, the media resulting from testimony would be damning for the cult and I doubt that any jury presented with all the facts would have any trouble convicting Hanna of assault etc.. I'd say the cult will try to bury this by distancing themselves from Hanna and getting him to distance himself from the cult. Not that that will work too well these days.

One video doesn't show what happened before nor does it show the whole story of what happened then.

 

[tamphex]

Get the CO$ on simple fraud charges. Get the CO$ on human rights issues. Get the CO$ on human trafficking issues. Protest and publicize so that people inside the church start to question.

BUT -- IMHO this kind of stuff portrayed in your video is counterproductive.

Until the day you have your boots on the street rather then your fingers on the keyboard, you don't get to say what we should or shouldn't be doing.

 

[outtech]

A couple of screencaps cross-posted for posterity, you can also read a summary of events here.

Camera grab

 

[Gottabrain]

WHAT A GREAT RAID!!

Hi! I was there. My first raid. What a wonderful raid it was, too.

Yes, three assaults. First the idiot grappled a phone & camera away from an Anon (I witnessed that). The Anon got it back, though. The police were reluctant to arrest him just then. Their mistake. So next he grappled with Aaron, then he tried to kiss the other Anon. You only got the last bit of the video footage. There's a lot more camera coverage and photos than what you've seen so far. Not everyone has posted yet.

The idiot lawyer was rigidly furious. His hands really were flailing and he had a look in his eyes like he was completely zoned out. Just completely gone from the planet. Nuts! And Aaron and I had just turned the corner after having a bite to eat. Geez, Aaron wasn't even speaking at the time, just casually walking up the street. Talk about innocent! The Anons were waving Aaron to go back as this guy was coming forward, thinking he was going to serve him some papers or something, but that wasn't the case. He just wanted to get violent. I guess he didn't recognize Aaron straight away; he was only 5 feet from us when he grabbed the Anon's camera & phone. D-uh!

The Anons were so friendly, so much fun. We had SO much local support! The parking structure was loaded with shoppers looking down at us. A dozen or so came out to give us signatures on the petition. We were lined up all along the street, about 50 of us. The org was completely dead - there were less than 25 people going in & out during the entire 4 hours, and that included staff. Just dismal. They ought to shut their doors.

When we were walking down the street, lots of cars were honking that they wanted an investigation into Scilo. Sometimes there were lines of people, 6-7 at a time, signing the petition. The public support was incredible.

This was my first raid!! What a success!!

And the Church was of course, blaring their bad taste music in reception and out the front, but Aaron's megaphone was louder. Sometimes staff looked out through the windows. The few public coming in & out looked ashamed and embarassed to be there at all. As they should be!

You guys have GOT to come along to the other raids! There were very few exscn there, and they are doing this for us, you guys! Plus, it's just heaps of fun.

 

[the-ghostwhowalks]

Hi - Would anyone know ..

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[Kookaburra]

While I appreciate what Anons are doing and what Aaron is doing, I do not see the same things on this video that are described in this message board.

Speaking as a total wog, newbie and an impartial outsider to this situation, I see a group of guys in funny masks chasing after a guy in a blue t-shirt who seems to be walking quite calmly. The blue t shirt guy does seem to lose it for a minute, grabs the guy in his path and kisses him -- (Now that is pretty weird and not the actions of a reasonable man, and OK I see the assault charge there) -- but to me as a total outsider, I see the guys in funny masks are really acting unreasonably and trying to goad, chase, catch, and pressure the blue Tshirt guy.

My reaction to this is WTF is going on here?

I am just remembering different assault issues/trials that I have known about, and the question comes back to, are these the actions of reasonable people? BlueTshirt guy Mr Hanna's can make the case "Oh, they provoked me to anger, I apologize for the kiss/assault" (no statement at all needs to be made about his mental condition, you can speculate all you want but it makes no difference).

Get the CO$ on simple fraud charges. Get the CO$ on human rights issues. Get the CO$ on human trafficking issues. Protest and publicize so that people inside the church start to question.

BUT -- IMHO this kind of stuff portrayed in your video is counterproductive.

Sorry that I don't see your evidence the same way you see it. Remember that wogs like me are your potential jury pool.

That guy was anything but calm. The cameras are after him because he is looking for the very person who is being fair gamed by OSA and who they are already attempting to frame. How is it irrational to film someone who is there with intent to cause trouble and is very agitated?

My earlier post:

I just got home from the protest. Wow! What a night! I'm just buzzing!

We had talked on the PA at the AOSH for about an hour and a half. Caught them at dinner time so there were some public around. Then Aaron went off to have something to eat.

This guy walks through the crowd and comes up to me and asks where Aaron Saxton is. He sounded angry and aggressive. Then he took out his wallet and got out a business card. He had trouble getting it out as his hands were shaking a lot and his knuckles were white. Then "Tell Aaron Saxton I'm looking for him and want to talk to him personally" and slaps the card into my hand. The look on his face was bizarre. He turns and strides off very quickly. I look at the card. Mark Hanna Lawyer. Someone else looks too, then call for "Cameras". All hell breaks loose. The camera anons start running. Most of the demonstrators also run...about 25 of them. And the police run.

The video you saw starts just after that. He was looking for Aaron, but chooses to assault another Anon right in front of Aaron, then go right past him. The only thing I can figure from that was that he was trying to provoke Aaron into assaulting him. They have been trying to get Aaron on something. Aaron didn't bite. Thank goodness. The police have determined that Tamphex used reasonable force in restraining Mark. That is not assault because Mark was OUT OF CONTROL.

I will wait for footage for the rest. I saw total chaos.

Zhent was filming with my camera as his was out of battery. He got good footage of the assault. The cop was grinning ear to ear, took us to the police station to download it directly onto their computer. I have not seen that footage yet. Zhent said he'd upload it tonight.

 

[Smurf]

While I appreciate what Anons are doing and what Aaron is doing, I do not see the same things on this video that are described in this message board.

Speaking as a total wog, newbie and an impartial outsider to this situation, I see a group of guys in funny masks chasing after a guy in a blue t-shirt who seems to be walking quite calmly. The blue t shirt guy does seem to lose it for a minute, grabs the guy in his path and kisses him -- (Now that is pretty weird and not the actions of a reasonable man, and OK I see the assault charge there) -- but to me as a total outsider, I see the guys in funny masks are really acting unreasonably and trying to goad, chase, catch, and pressure the blue Tshirt guy.

My reaction to this is WTF is going on here?

I am just remembering different assault issues/trials that I have known about, and the question comes back to, are these the actions of reasonable people?

BUT -- IMHO this kind of stuff portrayed in your video is counterproductive.

It's cool. It's obvious you're totally in the dark about Scientology-OSA's long history of harassment & abuse towards critics, and endless covert & overt operations designed to set people up for arrests.

I wouldn't confuse the excitability of protesters with what they recognized (from past experience) to be an op by a Scientologist to cause trouble, particularly after the individual let his intent be known verbally and spitting on someone. Mark Hanna set out to provoke and cause upset among the protesters and it's obvious (having done this myself while working in OSA) that he had the OK of his peers in the org.

Scientologists live by the creed, "Never defend... always attack." A plan was set in motion to attack prior to Mark being chased down the street by anons with cameras.

A wog jury pool would be blown away by the insurmountable evidence collected over decades of Scientology's appreciation for threatening, provoking & absuing those that criticize them.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I for one do not have the nerve to go to a protest -I just couldn't do it.

Try it! You'll like it!

Seriously, I can't speak for ANZO, but the atmosphere around the protests here in LA is most often convivial and generally upbeat. As far as protests go, the anon protests are not exactly teeming over with violent confrontations and police brutality. The OSA tries to be intimidating, but frankly they aren't very good at it. Besides, you've got friends to back you up. If you go, I'm willing to bet you'll enjoy it!


Mark A. Baker

 

[Panda Termint]

Informed opinion = it was a simple Provocation Caper gone wrong.

One of OSA's vital targets is to get an Anon to assault a scn'ist.

Additional data = the Australia Street, Camperdown address has been a scientology house since the early 70s.

 

[AnonKat]

Before this gets out of hand, let's all wait for the rest of the footage, okay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI

 

[DavidM]

Eyewitness statements are notoriously unreliable, but with multiple witnesses and video evidence, you can get a good idea of what happened.

Regardless of how anons (or anyone else) in the video appear, the fact remains that there is enough evidence of an assault that the police are taking action towards laying criminal charges against Mr Hanna.

I'm not a lawyer but it looks like the incident meets the criteria for an indecent assault:

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cach...tions/benchbks/criminal/indecent_assault.html

 

[Panda Termint]

Yes, it's assault.
Forget about all this PTS/Scio-goes-crazy speculation; I just watched Zhents footage and that's a standard Provocation Caper.
Hannah ain't crazy unless you're thinking "crazy like a fox", that was an attempt to provoke an assault by Aaron/Anon.
It failed.

 

[scooter]

Yes, it's assault.
Forget about all this PTS/Scio-goes-crazy speculation; I just watched Zhents footage and that's a standard Provocation Caper.
Hannah ain't crazy unless you're thinking "crazy like a fox", that was an attempt to provoke an assault by Aaron/Anon.
It failed.

My thought too - Mark's too well trained to be doing something like that without reason.

Done to provoke Aaron into some sort of contrived assault.

 

[Carmel]

Yes, it's assault.
Forget about all this PTS/Scio-goes-crazy speculation; I just watched Zhents footage and that's a standard Provocation Caper.
Hannah ain't crazy unless you're thinking "crazy like a fox", that was an attempt to provoke an assault by Aaron/Anon.
It failed.

Agreed Panda, and yep, seems like he's still the slick bastard that he always was.

 

[Feral]

Yes, it's assault.
Forget about all this PTS/Scio-goes-crazy speculation; I just watched Zhents footage and that's a standard Provocation Caper.
Hannah ain't crazy unless you're thinking "crazy like a fox", that was an attempt to provoke an assault by Aaron/Anon.
It failed.

The Panda has it right.

All of the signs that were read by Anons as Hanna being crazy were theater to put the protesters off balance.

To the credit of the Anons they kept the majority of their balance and Hana's little game backfired.

It's clear that he was looking for Aaron, but when he found him his only communication was a strange assault of Malcolm right in front of him before walking within striking distance. I think what he was fishing for was that assault.

Aaron did well not to take the bait.

Here is the real story and it tells far more about Cof$ tactics than the church would like it too.

 

[Lohan2008]

Mark Hanna

Scientology on psychiatry:
20 February 2008

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2167008.htm

 

[degraded being]

I just got home from the protest. Wow! What a night! I'm just buzzing!

We had talked on the PA at the AOSH for about an hour and a half. Caught them at dinner time so there were some public around. Then Aaron went off to have something to eat.

This guy walks through the crowd and comes up to me and asks where Aaron Saxton is. He sounded angry and aggressive. Then he took out his wallet and got out a business card. He had trouble getting it out as his hands were shaking a lot and his knuckles were white. Then "Tell Aaron Saxton I'm looking for him and want to talk to him personally" and slaps the card into my hand. The look on his face was bizarre. He turns and strides off very quickly. I look at the card. Mark Hanna Lawyer. Someone else looks too, then call for "Cameras". All hell breaks loose. The camera anons start running. Most of the demonstrators also run...about 25 of them. And the police run.

The video you saw starts just after that. He was looking for Aaron, but chooses to assault another Anon right in front of Aaron, then go right past him. The only thing I can figure from that was that he was trying to provoke Aaron into assaulting him. They have been trying to get Aaron on something. Aaron didn't bite. Thank goodness. The police have determined that Tamphex used reasonable force in restraining Mark. That is not assault because Mark was OUT OF CONTROL.

I will wait for footage for the rest. I saw total chaos.

Zhent was filming with my camera as his was out of battery. He got good footage of the assault. The cop was grinning ear to ear, took us to the police station to download it directly onto their computer. I have not seen that footage yet. Zhent said he'd upload it tonight.

^^^^^^ Very likely!!!

 

[scooter]

OSA will baw a lot abut this but the game they have been playing is very plain to see from the footage gotten.

Not much chance they can get anything good out of this particular episode now that it's been exposed for what it is - a shabby attempt to set up a known and vocal critic.

Hint for OSAspawn: take doc.s and run.

You are increasingly being exposed for what you really are.

You have not much time left before the collapse of your regime fully occurs.

Make the most of it and run now.

 

[fnx3]

I just got a couple of calls from Kooka and Aaron.
...

Then a very strange thing happened, Mark Hanna, Vicky Dunstan's first husband and the Presisdent of the Cof$ ANZO up until recently came out and handed his card to Kooka, which read; Mark Hanna, Lawyer. She said he was shaking.:confused2:

He then went up the street and spat on one Anon, tried to kiss another and snatched the I-phone from a third before he was restrained by the lawful Anons. ...



The Cof$ not so much.....


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Ha ha ... that's so funnee to read - ummmm ... after 4 hours of bull (horn) baiting I think he FLUNKED big time!

did any Anons advise him of that i.e. "FLUNK!"


Must watch out for it on the news tonight

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