I got curious to know how M&M feel about Pat Broeker being the central interest of some reading this lawsuit, instead of it being the PIs.
Some comments of interest by M&M and Jim Logan:
Kevin Tighe |
September 22, 2012 at 11:16 am
Just read the lawsuit. Pretty much lays out what has been reported on for some time by Marty & Mike. I have forwarded to numerous friends still in. Hopefully they will have the courage to read it. My gut tells me these PIs are in this for more than the money. God how I hope Pat (or someone else) has ta handwritten copy of The SO & The Future Flag Order. If so, game over.
martyrathbun09 | September 22, 2012 at 11:40 am | Reply
There is no such item.
Kevin Tighe | September 22, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Perhaps LRH didn’t write it then. In any event I hope that these PIs are operating on a higher purpose than money and do not settle too quickly. That way some useful discovery can be done and gotten on the record. Seems the PIs developed a certain amount of ARC for Pat though I’m not holding my breath. It’s a shame that so much time and energy has been wasted these past 25 years.
mrinder | September 22, 2012 at 3:25 pm
These PIs have no dog in this fight other than their own livelihood. They could care less what happens except being made whole.
Kevin Tighe | September 22, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Mike, More than likely you are correct but there were a few lines in the lawsuit that give me a glimmer of hope that perhaps there may be more purpose to the lawsuit than just money though I’m money is surely the major purpose.
martyrathbun09 | September 22, 2012 at 11:44 pm
I wouldn’t bank on that.
deLizabeth | September 23, 2012 at 12:00 am
Good!
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More interesting exchanges...
BED MAN OKC |
September 22, 2012 at 10:47 am
As some of you may know. I spoke to Ray when the Debbie Cook thing was going on. I called him intending to leave a voice mail, encouraging him to “fight on” even though the cult will throw money and resources aimed at disrupting him and his practice. I can say that I was 100% wrong in my assumption, because there really IS something to those Texas Lawyers.
Ray kindly engaged me for 15 minutes, while driving down I 35 in NW OKC, asking me questions and explainging to me of all people some of the legal wrangling and strategy that they were incorporating. It was ZERO surprise that Cult Leader Miscaviage paid Cook a fortune to go away.
Ray Jeffries is a straight up MAN ! With real loyalties.
Something DM, will never get regardless of how many lobbyist he pays.
BMO
mrinder | September 22, 2012 at 1:30 pm
BMOC — wonderful comment.
Mr. Jeffrey is one of the most intelligent, gentlemanly people you could ever want to meet. And on top of that, he is a master street fighter.
As long as you are polite and treat him with respect, you can sleep well at night. Cross him, or his friends, and you have bought yourself not just a fight with pitbull, its a pitbull chained to your leg that hasn’t been fed for a month.
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MostlyLurker |
September 22, 2012 at 2:51 am
“Mr. Miscavige and his allies cancelled Mr. Hubbard’s Order promoting the Broekers by asserting that the Order was a forgery.”
Was it a forgery or it wasn’t?
What do you think Marty?
[..]( Marty's reply already posted here)[..]
Jim Logan |
September 22, 2012 at 10:21 am
It is important to note that “forgery” or not, the FO doesn’t assign them ADMINSTRATIVE functions, an actual POST on an org board. It is Rank, a Sea Org rank. Nothing else.
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In reply to a comment by Chuck Beatty:
Jim Logan |
September 22, 2012 at 2:06 pm
“…and the responsiblity that LRH may have wished to give Pat and Annie, as “Loyal Officers”, I myself, never took LRH’s intention to have them be the leaders of it all.”
I didn’t either Chuck and importantly Annie knew this “loyal officer” thing had zero to do with any actual POST, a FUNCTION on the org board.
What LRH DID do with her, was state she was to be posted as IG RTC. That was the post.
“Loyal officer” is a symbol, a rank, and nothing more. So she had no attention on this and it had no siginificance for her. In fact, the rank SHE wanted returned was Lt. Commander, as LRH unequivocably assigned that to her. DM “took it away”.
Again, “forgery” or not, this FO has nothing to do with the Organizational legacy, or intention, or board, or posts or duties or functions. Zip. Nada.
Stat | September 23, 2012 at 12:22 am
Jim, you said – “What LRH DID do with her, was state she was to be posted as IG RTC. That was the post”.
Was Annie ever posted as IG RTC?
Anymore background on that?
Jim Logan | September 23, 2012 at 8:12 am
No, she did not take that post. DM intervened. One of the issues she and I were dealing with.
Stat | September 23, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Thanks, Jim.