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the beginning of the end for careers of Cruise and Travolta?

MrNobody

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I recently got the impression that Cruise is no longer commands the box-office as he did in former times. Is this just generally due to aging or does the ongoing bad CoS publicity affect that?

A snippet from an old song coming true more and more every day:

Tom Cruise is always getting older
he knows he'll never be that young again

and when Tom Cruise looks back over his shoulder
he sees a thousand younger leading men

and he nows some day he'll have to play

an old, retarded grandpa,
while someone younger plays his sexy son
...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J9KRZ0PnAs

:yes: :coolwink:
 

Sindy

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I recently got the impression that Cruise is no longer commands the box-office as he did in former times. Is this just generally due to aging or does the ongoing bad CoS publicity affect that?

I think (wow, I feel so opinionated these days - lol - can't stop commenting) that people have been willing to separate out his personal life from his acting/films. Who knows if that will continue. I've seen tons of comments on articles recently where people are saying they will never contribute another dime to Cruise (or Travolta -- mostly Cruise).

The public is fickle though and when the outrage wears off and they're in line at the movies and everything seems like a gamble, I think many will renege.

I'm mad at Cruise. I think he's being a total ass but credit where credit is due, the guy is a hard worker and lots of people love his movies. We'll see.
 

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I recently got the impression that Cruise is no longer commands the box-office as he did in former times. Is this just generally due to aging or does the ongoing bad CoS publicity affect that?

His main box office is outside the US. Until now I don't think CO$ publicity affects him.

Who cares about some squabbles about a religion too small to be noted on
Aris surveys.

Going clear may change things and expose him to awkward questions.
 

Churchill

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Travolta's career has gone from Barbarino to Terl. Hip hip hooray for him.

But he's way ahead of Cruise, who personally benefited from extensive Sea Org labor, which is in direct violation of Scientology's 501C-3 status.

Brousseau was ordered by Miscavige to undertake unbelievably extravagant, and extraordinarily labor-intensive projects, involving super luxuries for the

#2 man in Scientology.

Both their careers are in decline, MI-5 release has been postponed...publicists and lawyers are at defcon 5, worrying whether Pellicano will talk, and when the shitstorm will abate.

Memo to Tom Cruise: It's always the cover-up that gets you. It's never the crime. Come clean, your fans will forgive you. You didn't order the bugging of Nicole's phone. David Miscavige did.

You didn't beat dozens of senior Scn. execs...David Miscavige did. And you didn't reveal or laugh about disclosures made in auditing sessions...again, David Miscavige did.

Can you handle the truth, Tom Cruise?

Can you?
 

Boson Wog Stark

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Both are obviously quite wealthy, but the wacko twins each must be getting quite nervous about not only the future of their careers, but their legacies. Its hard to mention either anymore without invoking laughter. John Travolta is a creepy closet homosexual that is eerily similar to the Reverend Ted Haggard. I can't imagine anyone would want to be part of anything he is associated with in his personal life. Tom Cruise is simply a vile, disgusting excuse for a human being. I can't think of a more narcissistic jerk of a celebrity who seems to think being a wealthy movie star with nothing more than a high school education qualifies him to give medical advice. The fact both of these morons are the face of the Cult tells me $cientology is not going to be around for much longer. They hitched their wagon to celebrities, now the wheels are coming off of that wagon and its headed for a crash.

I read all your posts in this thread so far, Mackdown, not just the first one. One reason Travolta stays in the closet (Scientology and being gay/bi) is for what he perceives to be his legacy, and also the comfort of the bubble he wants to live in for the rest of his life. It is a known for him. He's afraid of the unknown, like being able to spend less time with his children. Or having to open up his closets.

Let's say 20 million people end up seeing GOING CLEAR, and of of those, half of them are influenced enough not to spend to see Cruise or Travolta in a movie. How much will that really affect the box office in a country like the U.S. where there are so many movie goers and watchers? I think most moviegoers are more influenced by the quality of the movie, and how much critics and other people enjoy it, than they are the personal lives of the actors or directors involved.

There are other ways for Cruise and Travolta to feel pressure, other than box office dropoff. The media and non-Scientologists they associate with can exert that pressure. A person like Spielberg, instead of just acting like he's very interested in Scientology when talking to Tom, can say, "You know, Tom, I really think you should watch GOING CLEAR. Scientology doesn't work out for a lot of people the way it does for you. And that guy, Hubbard, holy shit!"

I don't think Cruise or Travolta are really aware of what's happening yet. Right now, they see GOING CLEAR as a situation which will be handled, and then pass. Neither of them realize how much of a game changer it is for them. Right now, there are people who staff empty orgs, and they can't see it, so it's going to take more for the scilebrities to see it.

Did you read the Danny Masterson interview where he revealed that no one he knows has ever confronted him before, or even discussed negative aspects of Scientology? Well, that's going to change. For years, that was easy to pull off, in a group which was relatively small, secretive, and for which there weren't a lot of books written. Now Scientology is going to take off in people being aware of the dark side, because it is absolutely fascinating how they operate, what a nutter Hubbard was, and the hundreds of interesting stories there are to tell, and be dramatized about the prison of belief.
 

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Memo to Tom Cruise: It's always the cover-up that gets you. It's never the crime. Come clean, your fans will forgive you. You didn't order the bugging of Nicole's phone. David Miscavige did.

You didn't beat dozens of senior Scn. execs...David Miscavige did.

And you didn't reveal or laugh about disclosures made in auditing sessions...again, David Miscavige did.

Can you handle the truth, Tom Cruise?

Can you?


At least not that we know of.

However, it's Scientology--so big surprise endings are not that surprising.
 

MissWog

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Travolta's career has gone from Barbarino to Terl. Hip hip hooray for him.

But he's way ahead of Cruise, who personally benefited from extensive Sea Org labor, which is in direct violation of Scientology's 501C-3 status.

Brousseau was ordered by Miscavige to undertake unbelievably extravagant, and extraordinarily labor-intensive projects, involving super luxuries for the

#2 man in Scientology.

Both their careers are in decline, MI-5 release has been postponed...publicists and lawyers are at defcon 5, worrying whether Pellicano will talk, and when the shitstorm will abate.

Memo to Tom Cruise: It's always the cover-up that gets you. It's never the crime. Come clean, your fans will forgive you. You didn't order the bugging of Nicole's phone. David Miscavige did.

You didn't beat dozens of senior Scn. execs...David Miscavige did. And you didn't reveal or laugh about disclosures made in auditing sessions...again, David Miscavige did.

Can you handle the truth, Tom Cruise?

Can you?
ohhhhh! Wouldn't that be nice!! Off to google Pellicano! I was unaware that something was going on with him these days..it's been a while since I checked on his legal woes. That scumbag knows where all the bodies are buried!! He should, since I buried a few himself!
 

whoisxenu

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The cult's failure to get new blood celebrities is a doomsday scenario for them.:sparky:



The public will just see TC and JT age and no one to replace them - obviously counteracts PUBLICLY the claim of the "fastest growing religion." :faceslap:




More public will realize it's all BS with every passing year. Ostrich tech only goes so far. They need a couple (not just one) big stars who are youngish (not their demographic now) to replace them SOON. Doubt anyone will be calling JT to get his views on GOING CLEAR 2, if it happens.:hand:
 

MrNobody

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ohhhhh! Wouldn't that be nice!! Off to google Pellicano! <snip>

While googlin' him, please skip anything by that fucked-up "Hollywood Hairdresser"* or whatever she pretends to be. She's been shitting up Youtube and a gazillion of forums with her self-centered bullshit.

* No, I'm not talking about Lynn Fountain Campbell, who indeed IS a hairdresser and NOT a fucking drama queen.
 

Churchill

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ohhhhh! Wouldn't that be nice!! Off to google Pellicano! I was unaware that something was going on with him these days..it's been a while since I checked on his legal woes. That scumbag knows where all the bodies are buried!! He should, since I buried a few himself!
Pellicano was the go-to guy of Cruise's lawyer, Bert Fields, and is currently a guest of the Federal Gov't. Marty Rathbun didn't name him as the person who planted the bug on Nicole Kidman's phone, but I think it was him.
 

Maria Cuervo

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Pellicano was the go-to guy of Cruise's lawyer, Bert Fields, and is currently a guest of the Federal Gov't. Marty Rathbun didn't name him as the person who planted the bug on Nicole Kidman's phone, but I think it was him.

Do they ever leave these people they 'bug' alone? For example, Nicole, do they still track her to some degree because of the children or have they phased her off their surveillance priorities list?
 
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MissWog

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While googlin' him, please skip anything by that fucked-up "Hollywood Hairdresser"* or whatever she pretends to be. She's been shitting up Youtube and a gazillion of forums with her self-centered bullshit.

* No, I'm not talking about Lynn Fountain Campbell, who indeed IS a hairdresser and NOT a fucking drama queen.
I'm not seeing much! I'm think I'm too tired to understand what the hold up is in all the civil cases going to trial
 

MissWog

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Pellicano was the go-to guy of Cruise's lawyer, Bert Fields, and is currently a guest of the Federal Gov't. Marty Rathbun didn't name him as the person who planted the bug on Nicole Kidman's phone, but I think it was him.
Oh for sure it was him!! There was a leak of one of the nicole & tom convos..I hope more get leaked when the civil suits start, if they ever do!
 

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Pellicano was the go-to guy of Cruise's lawyer, Bert Fields, and is currently a guest of the Federal Gov't. Marty Rathbun didn't name him as the person who planted the bug on Nicole Kidman's phone, but I think it was him.

Bert Fields (one of Cruise's lawyers) claimed he didn't have anything to do with it. And he avoided getting pulled into the civil and criminal complications all these years. While he could still could theoretically get snagged by one of the cases still swirling around Pellicano, it is very unlikely.

Cruise's divorce attorney vs. Kidman (Dennis Wasser) actually is on the record as the party who hired Pelicano. And when the FBI raided the office of Pellicano (leading to his indictment/conviction) they found the illegal wiretap tapes done by Pellicano on Kidman.
 
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MissWog

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Do they ever leave these people they 'bug' alone? For example, Nicole, do they still track her to some degree because of the children or have that phased her off their surveillance priorities list?
I bet that was a big reason she has stayed quiet and safely in Australia
 

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I bet that was a big reason she has stayed quiet and safely in Australia

I take that to mean that you are saying she happily decided to lay low (wayyyyyyy lowwwwww, down under) when she realized that she was being stalked, tracked, bugged and harassed by criminal thug Pellicano, who was a very dangerous mafia affiliate and terrorist?

And that, by extension, her ex husband Tom Cruise, was also represented by other thug criminals like (at that time) Marty Rathbun and (at all times) David Miscavige.

And that, by simple deduction, her beloved ex husband Tom Cruise was HIMSELF a collaborator and instigator and sponsor (he paid for it all) of all that thuggery and terrorism.

Yup, that's right, I said it--Tom Cruise is a facilitator of thuggery, despite his "acting" religious & righteous . He is an "actor" after all.
 

Churchill

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Bert Fields (one of Cruise's lawyers) claimed he didn't have anything to do with it. And he avoided getting pulled into the civil and criminal complications all these years. While he could still could theoretically get snagged by one of the cases still swirling around Pellicano, it is very unlikely.

Cruise's divorce attorney vs. Kidman (Dennis Wasser) actually is on the record as the party who hired Pelicano. And when the FBI raided the office of Pellicano (leading to his indictment/conviction) they found the illegal wiretap tapes done by Pellicano on Kidman.

I wonder if Nicole signed an NDA as part of the divorce settlement.
Be nice if she found her voice.
 
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