The Bill Franks Interview - Into the Scientology Twilight Zone

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
Miss Wog brought to light this wonderfully honest and enlightening post by JustMe (our beloved Denise B.) wayyy back on the first page, and I believe such insider's stories should have regular bumpings for all the world to see. Thank you MW & DB & co..

Quote Originally Posted by JustMe

Whatever the reason(s), Hubbard had a serious problem with the truth and, IMO, with general competency.


Over an eight year time span I suppose I got maybe 250 or so orders directly from him. Receiving and complying with orders from Hubbard taught me a few things, many I did not truly understand until years after I was out.


One thing is how easily he lied. Either he was just a bold faced liar, lying for personal gain at the expense of others, or he was so incompetent that he did not even know he was lying. Or, something else I cannot now imagine.


He also was often very cruel including gross acts of cruelty against those who had dedicated their very lives to support him and scientology. And, IMO his orders often betrayed the fact that he was incompetent.


A few examples:


(i) he told Scientologists in broad issues that he took no money from Scientology, that it was in effect a labor of love. Truth be told he took many tens of millions of dollars from Scientology and demanded more and more constantly. To the public he was a saint, one who was not in it for the money. But in his most private communications with some of those at the very top he accepted no excuses for not getting his take of the proceeds of organized Scientology regularly. And he often saw as enemies any who he felt stood in the way of him and his money;


(ii) he ordered those at the very top in the Watchdog Committee to get every possible dime they could out of any and all possible organizations of the scientology empire. He said to take the money from local orgs before they could spend it. It did not matter that the orgs were almost always left with insufficient money to feed their staffs, to give them proper medical care or to support their own children. He wanted to take the money out of their control and to end up getting his share;


(iii) when cases were lost and money had to be paid to victims of scientology Hubbard was outraged. And it was not because there were victims but rather because money had to be paid out. He would order new, deceptive ways to hide the money through corporate/contractual shell games so none of it could be gotten through litigation should scientology lose instead of focusing on why there were victims in the first place. Case in point is the Christofferson case and Hubbard's order to Sue Mithoff in 1979 re the creation of Scientology Missions International and why it was needed;


(iv) In 1982/1983 Hubbard blew up when he found out that so many books not written by him were sold on org lines and even in some cases by the publications organizations themselves. He demanded heads on pikes to find those who were trying to destroy him and scientology pushing his policy "Vital Data On Promotion" and the part of it that stressed no books by others. While external influence missions were sent all around the world to find and punish all responsible for this, and all who supported it, what he never would mention was that it was he himself who approved many of those books.


For example, Hubbard told me that he had never approved a Ruth Minshull book and only ever had seen one of them - "Miracles for Breakfast". Yet I later found out and confirmed that not only did he see others of her books but he actually approved them in writing for distribution on org lines in exchange for a piece of the action. I later got the approvals from Ruth herself and confirmed from a key messenger that she actually witnessed Hubbard signing the approvals;


(v) in the same time period as in "iv" above Hubbard was constantly demanding that external influences be found as it must be them that was holding scientology down. Scientologists around the world, most of them staff, were horribly abused, gang bang sec checks became rampant, declares reached all time highs and countless families were destroyed through disconnection simply because Hubbard's saw enemies in his most loyal and dedicated followers when he was not getting his way;


(vi) Hubbard often gave horribly stupid orders into the corporate area and there were often people who had to constantly figure out how to "make him feel right" and not comply with the orders without having him go ballistic. One example was Hubbard ordering the selling of minister status for big bucks so that the people getting them could get all sorts of tax benefits and related perks (such as tax deductions for their home mortgages, etc.). Great effort had to be made to not comply and yet make it look like one was complying so as not to incur his wrath.


There are countless examples of these sort of things.


I cannot say with certainty what drove a man to do all this but I can say that the fraud, cruelty and betrayal spanned decades and was not just something found in his last few years of almost complete mental breakdown.


It is my belief that the insane paranoia and fear that Hubbard constantly showed was woven throughout scientology policy. Such things as the RPF, heavy ethics for counter and other intentions (to his own), the cruelty of disconnection and so much more all to "protect" a tech he called priceless but was rather valueless to most who tried it.


This is also reflected in his crazy ramblings were he saw enemies everywhere and demanded the destruction of those who opposed his will.


And, I submit that the entire corporate structure of organized scientology, all the lies that make up the foundation of that house of cards as well as the religious cloaking that helps hold it in place is nothing more than a reflection of that same, insane paranoia of Hubbard as he demanded control of his little empire while cowardly hiding behind its myriad veils so as not to be held liable for that of which he was completely liable.


I submit that Hubbard had no really great accomplishments. The bigger accomplishments (such as they were) in the history of organized scientology were IMO not achieved by Hubbard. Rather they were achieved by loving, dedicated and, yes, misled people who themselves put it all on the line to dedicate themselves and their lives to the following of a man who would ultimately betray them.


I find it difficult to find any real hate in my heart for this but there is much sadness in there. A sadness for all the good souls who cared and who tried to follow a dream and were betrayed.


Did Hubbard really think he would "clear the planet" and that scientology should really expand well beyond his own life? I don't know for sure but I cannot get this troubling thought out of my mind: I once went to the leaders of the Watchdog Committee and the then leader of RTC before Miscavige took over. I tried to reconcile the constant demands for money every week. I asked how will we clear the rest of the planet when such a large portion of it could not afford scientology services.


All I got back were blank stares.


And I had a sad


:cheers:


And..... fuck you OSA, fuck you cult and your dead, demented creator L. Wrong Hubbard. :p

:cheers:
 

cuitlahuac

Patron with Honors
First, in the interview, Franks does not state the words Hubbard used to indicate murder nor the name of the member of the House of Commons that allegedly was murdered. ______________________________Below is the description of the "murder orders" that possibly were used: "Process R2-45".The L.A. Times article "Scientology Critics Assail Aggressiveness of Church", August 28, 1978 by Robert Rawitch and Robert Gillette, states that: "There is no evidence that R2-45 has ever been carried out, nor is there any indication Scientologists have ever, as a matter of policy, physically harmed anyone." ________________________________ http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/r2-45.html________________________ Process R2-45 is the "One Shot Clear", exteriorization by a bullet to the head. ___________________________ Below is an order of excommunication including that process:
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________ So, it is clear that this process R2-45 is what Bill Franks fails to describe as a death order in this interview. ___________________ It must be noted also that this R2-45 order is on Sea Org members contacting them. Point 8 indicates that they should be brought to court and put in prison. ________________________ Notice also that they stole advanced level material from the ship Apollo (Avon River) and at that time Hubbard was researching the very complex and heavy material of Operating Thetan Section III. What happens when a person steals Top Secret material from the Federal Government? It wold be good to find out.
 

RogerB

Crusader
First, in the interview, Franks does not state the words Hubbard used to indicate murder nor the name of the member of the House of Commons that allegedly was murdered. ______________________________Below is the description of the "murder orders" that possibly were used: "Process R2-45".The L.A. Times article "Scientology Critics Assail Aggressiveness of Church", August 28, 1978 by Robert Rawitch and Robert Gillette, states that: "There is no evidence that R2-45 has ever been carried out, nor is there any indication Scientologists have ever, as a matter of policy, physically harmed anyone." ________________________________ http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/r2-45.html________________________ Process R2-45 is the "One Shot Clear", exteriorization by a bullet to the head. ___________________________ Below is an order of excommunication including that process:
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________ So, it is clear that this process R2-45 is what Bill Franks fails to describe as a death order in this interview. ___________________ It must be noted also that this R2-45 order is on Sea Org members contacting them. Point 8 indicates that they should be brought to court and put in prison. ________________________ Notice also that they stole advanced level material from the ship Apollo (Avon River) and at that time Hubbard was researching the very complex and heavy material of Operating Thetan Section III. What happens when a person steals Top Secret material from the Federal Government? It wold be good to find out.

This part I highlighted in red is incorrect.

I recently reiterated on the thread, "The Lies and Deceit of the Church of Scientology" that I started, the fact that this HCO Ethics Order was written on these folks because they had made available to unauthorised persons the Clearing Course materials obtained from AO St. Hill . . . .

Hubbard at the time, was aboard ship, but the material was obtained from folks who had done the CC at St. Hill . . . all those named in the order were residents of the UK, in and around London and East Grinstead. I personally knew a number of them, and I personally was involved in dealing with them and this traffic in London.

Hubbard's line about the materials being Upper Level Materials of a "Research Nature" is his typical shore story bullshit revision/alteration of truth . . . what these guys stole/misused was the CC materials that were BEING DELIVERED TO THE PUNTERS!

Rog
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
This part I highlighted in red is incorrect.

I recently reiterated on the thread, "The Lies and Deceit of the Church of Scientology" that I started, the fact that this HCO Ethics Order was written on these folks because they had made available to unauthorised persons the Clearing Course materials obtained from AO St. Hill . . . .

Hubbard at the time, was aboard ship, but the material was obtained from folks who had done the CC at St. Hill . . . all those named in the order were residents of the UK, in and around London and East Grinstead. I personally knew a number of them, and I personally was involved in dealing with them and this traffic in London.

Hubbard's line about the materials being Upper Level Materials of a "Research Nature" is his typical shore story bullshit revision/alteration of truth . . . what these guys stole/misused was the CC materials that were BEING DELIVERED TO THE PUNTERS!

Rog

Thanks Rog. It is also incorrect re: the Apollo...The Apollo and Avon River--they were distinctly different vessels.

Face:)
 

Victoria

Patron Meritorious
This post piqued my interest. Mainly because it coincides with the recently sentenced PI that spoofed Tony Ortegas e-mail, claiming he was "working on a missing persons" case.
 

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cuitlahuac

Patron with Honors
This part I highlighted in red is incorrect.I recently reiterated on the thread, "The Lies and Deceit of the Church of Scientology" that I started, the fact that this HCO Ethics Order was written on these folks because they had made available to unauthorised persons the Clearing Course materials obtained from AO St. Hill . . . . Hubbard at the time, was aboard ship, but the material was obtained from folks who had done the CC at St. Hill . . . all those named in the order were residents of the UK, in and around London and East Grinstead. I personally knew a number of them, and I personally was involved in dealing with them and this traffic in London.Hubbard's line about the materials being Upper Level Materials of a "Research Nature" is his typical shore story bullshit revision/alteration of truth . . . what these guys stole/misused was the CC materials that were BEING DELIVERED TO THE PUNTERS!Rog
Thanks for the clarification.
 

cuitlahuac

Patron with Honors
Now, if ex-Sea Org member Bill Franks has knowledge of a Memeber of Parliament being "audited" with the "One Shot Clear" process, (killed) he has the duty to ask for an investigation. Don't make yourself an accomplice to the crime Bill.
 

cuitlahuac

Patron with Honors
Ex scieno Franks also quotes, at 39:30 min in the tape, to psychologist Margaret Singer (he says she is a psychiatrist, a MD, but her bio in Wikipedia states she was a clinical psychologist). Franks mentions the theory by Singer that the Overt/Whithold technology is in fact mind control. More developed than mind control by the chinesse. Singer tried to present her "research" to the APA, but was rejected due o lack of scientific rigor and lack of critical analysis. It could be investigated if Singer was Pain Drug Hypnotized by the psychs she worked with at the University of Colorado’s psychiatry department.
From 1983 to 1986, Singer oversaw the production of a report for the American Psychological Association on her theories of coercive persuasion. In 1987 the APA's board of Social and Ethical Responsibility rejected the report, stating that it lacked scientific rigor and critical analysis. Following this rejection of her theories, Singer was no longer accepted by judges as an expert witness and instead began to publish those theories in her books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Singer
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cuitlahuac

Patron with Honors
At 31:00 mins in the video, Franks speaks of pain drug hypnosis, stating that PDH does not exists. But Bill forgot to say that the psychs he now admires, do practice nothing alse but PDH. Dr. Ewen Cameron used PDH. Dokta William Sargant in the UK used PDH. Deep Sleep "therapy" is nothing alse than PDH. The person is put on pain (electroshocks) drugs (barbiturates) and hypnosis (repetitive recordings). Both worked for the MK-Ultra CIA program, anoter name for PDH. Dear Bill. Hope you find this reference helpfull.
William Walters Sargant (24 April 1907 – 27 August 1988) was a British psychiatrist who is remembered for the evangelical zeal with which he promoted treatments such as psychosurgery, deep sleep treatment, electroconvulsive therapy and insulin shock therapy.[1] __________________________________________________________________________ In recent years writer Gordon Thomas has suggested that Sargant's experiments with deep sleep treatment were part of British involvement with the CIA MKULTRA programme into mind control.[40] Donald Ewen Cameron was experimenting along similar lines in Canada, and it later emerged that his work was in part funded by the CIA.[41] Cameron often sought Sargant's advice and on one occasion Sargant sent Cameron a note saying: "Whatever you manage in this field, I thought of it first".[42] Books about Cameron's experiments have commented on links between the two psychiatrists.[43] Although Sargant acted as a consultant for MI5, no evidence has emerged that his work with deep sleep treatment at St Thomas' hospital had any links with intelligence services.[44][45][46]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sargant#MKULTRA
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Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Ex scieno Franks also quotes, at 39:30 min in the tape, to psychologist Margaret Singer (he says she is a psychiatrist, a MD, but her bio in Wikipedia states she was a clinical psychologist). Franks mentions the theory by Singer that the Overt/Whithold technology is in fact mind control. More developed than mind control by the chinesse. Singer tried to present her "research" to the APA, but was rejected due o lack of scientific rigor and lack of critical analysis. It could be investigated if Singer was Pain Drug Hypnotized by the psychs she worked with at the University of Colorado’s psychiatry department.

I looked up one of Singer's papers, "How Thought Reform Works". The techniques look VERY familiar to somebody who was in Scientology.

Some excerpts (my comments in red; my bolding):

A coercive persuasion program is a behavioral change technology applied to cause the "learning" and "adoption" of a set of behaviors or an ideology under certain conditions. It is distinguished from other forms of benign social learning or peaceful persuasion by the conditions under which it is conducted and by the techniques of environmental and interpersonal manipulation employed to suppress particular behaviors and to train others. Over time, coercive persuasion, a psychological force akin in some ways to our legal concepts of undue influence, can be even more effective than pain, torture, drugs, and use of physical force and legal threats.

The Korean War "Manchurian Candidate" misconception of the need for suggestibility-increasing drugs, and physical pain and torture, to effect thought reform, is generally associated with the old concepts and models of brainwashing. Today, they are not necessary for a coercive persuasion program to be effective. With drugs, physical pain, torture, or even a physically coercive threat, you can often temporarily make someone do something against their will. You can even make them do something they hate or they really did not like or want to do at the time. They do it, but their attitude is not changed.

This is much different and far less devastating than that which you are able to achieve with the improvements of coercive persuasion. With coercive persuasion you can change people's attitudes without their knowledge and volition. You can create new "attitudes" where they will do things willingly which they formerly may have detested, things which previously only torture, physical pain, or drugs could have coerced them to do.

The advances in the extreme anxiety and emotional stress production technologies found in coercive persuasion supersede old style coercion that focuses on pain, torture, drugs, or threat in that these older systems do not change attitude so that subjects follow orders "willingly." Coercive persuasion changes both attitude and behavior, not just behavior.

THE PURPOSES AND TACTICS OF COERCIVE PERSUASION

Coercive persuasion or thought reform as it is sometimes known, is best understood as a coordinated system of graduated coercive influence and behavior control designed to deceptively and surreptitiously manipulate and influence individuals, usually in a group setting, in order for the originators of the program to profit in some way, normally financially or politically.


The essential strategy used by those operating such programs is to systematically select, sequence and coordinate numerous coercive persuasion tactics over continuous periods of time. There are seven main tactic types found in various combinations in a coercive persuasion program. A coercive persuasion program can still be quite effective without the presence of ALL seven of these tactic types.

TACTIC 1. The individual is prepared for thought reform through increased suggestibility and/or "softening up," specifically through hypnotic or other suggestibility-increasing techniques such as: A. Extended audio, visual, verbal, or tactile fixation drills; (e.g., TR's and Objectives) B. Excessive exact repetition of routine activities; C. Decreased sleep; (Familiar to all SO and staff members) D. Nutritional restriction. (Rice and beans)

TACTIC 2. Using rewards and punishments, efforts are made to establish considerable control over a person's social environment, time, and sources of social support. Social isolation is promoted. Contact with family and friends is abridged, as is contact with persons who do not share group-approved attitudes. (Disconnection) Economic and other dependence on the group is fostered. (In the forerunner to coercive persuasion, brainwashing, this was rather easy to achieve through simple imprisonment.)

TACTIC 3. Disconfirming information and nonsupporting opinions are prohibited in group communication. Rules exist about permissible topics to discuss with outsiders. Communication is highly controlled. An "in-group" language is usually constructed.

TACTIC 4. Frequent and intense attempts are made to cause a person to re-evaluate the most central aspects of his or her experience of self and prior conduct in negative ways. ("Severe reality adjustment"; "face ripping"; gang-bang sec checks) Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject's basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control, and defense mechanisms as well as getting them to reinterpret their life's history, and adopt a new version of causality.

TACTIC 5. Intense and frequent attempts are made to undermine a person's confidence in himself and his judgment, creating a sense of powerlessness. (Heavy ethics)

TACTIC 6. Nonphysical punishments are used such as intense humiliation, loss of privilege, social isolation, social status changes, intense guilt, anxiety, manipulation and other techniques for creating strong aversive emotional arousals, etc. (RPF; The Hole)

TACTIC 7. Certain secular psychological threats [force] are used or are present: That failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief, or consequent behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequence, (e.g. physical or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration, failure to find a mate, etc.). ("Your ETERNITY is at RISK")

Another set of criteria has to do with defining other common elements of mind control systems. If most of Robert Jay Lifton's eight point model of thought reform is being used in a cultic organization, it is most likely a dangerous and destructive cult. These eight points follow:

Robert Jay Lifton's Eight Point Model of Thought Reform


1. ENVIRONMENT CONTROL. Limitation of many/all forms of communication with those outside the group. Books, magazines, letters and visits with friends and family are taboo. "Come out and be separate!" ("TV and Newspapers are Entheta!")

2. MYSTICAL MANIPULATION. The potential convert to the group becomes convinced of the higher purpose and special calling of the group through a profound encounter/experience, for example, through an alleged miracle or prophetic word of those in the group. (OT Phenomena)

3. DEMAND FOR PURITY. An explicit goal of the group is to bring about some kind of change, whether it be on a global, social, or personal level. "Perfection is possible if one stays with the group and is committed."

4. CULT OF CONFESSION. The unhealthy practice of self disclosure to members in the group. Often in the context of a public gathering in the group, admitting past sins and imperfections, even doubts about the group and critical thoughts about the integrity of the leaders. (O/W Writeups, Liability formulas, Sec Checking, Gang-bang sec checks)

5. SACRED SCIENCE. The group's perspective is absolutely true and completely adequate to explain EVERYTHING. The doctrine is not subject to amendments or question. ABSOLUTE conformity to the doctrine is required. ("Keeping Scientology Working")

6. LOADED LANGUAGE. A new vocabulary emerges within the context of the group. Group members "think" within the very abstract and narrow parameters of the group's doctrine. The terminology sufficiently stops members from thinking critically by reinforcing a "black and white" mentality. Loaded terms and clichés prejudice thinking.

7. DOCTRINE OVER PERSON. Pre-group experience and group experience are narrowly and decisively interpreted through the absolute doctrine, even when experience contradicts the doctrine.

8. DISPENSING OF EXISTENCE. Salvation is possible only in the group. Those who leave the group are doomed. ("You will spend eternity blind and in pain")

A VERY interesting paper. Read the whole thing at the link.
 
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