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The Blessed Story of the Blessed Child

l whip

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One question plagues the whole of Scientology, where did dirty old Hubbard get his dirty ideas? Investigative journalists seek answers but fail to cut the mustard. How long is their fumbling around going to take? Some of the shit he found was hot most was not. When I read reports of his early life I see things emerging that others miss. Wait a sec until I polish up my crystal egg. I see it all now; a systemic pattern of behavior taught by his mother shaped his childhood thinking, but it not up to me to be the judge, to be the messenger just for you is my aim.


Nobody wants to show up his goddam frigging parents, particularly his mother. In those days (and I suppose even these) every American is taught to respect God, Mother and Apple Pie. But as humans we all make mistakes. Oh gasp, Hubbard as his parent’s mistake? Hubbard claimed that his parents tried to abort him. Whether they did or not is beside the point, he said so and that’s all that counts. He claimed the attempted abortion was the source of him having ulcers. His mother was educated, but never employed as a teacher, the reason why will become apparent later.


Rare accounts of early life say his father, Harry, alarmed at his son’s lack of education sent him to various schools where he routinely got expelled for bullying and organizing gangs that stole lunch money and other things. His mother was forced to educate him during his formative years, so his ways reflected his mother’s teachings. Was his education all about the three R’s, reading, riting, and rithmatic? She could teach him what she damned well pleased so she did. The authorized versions of his life say she was a strong-minded woman and a suffragette supporter, an early women’s liberationist. Ledora May trained in Omaha, Nebraska as a high school and institute teacher; she met Harry Hubbard not long afterwards. But her support of women was far more than intellectual.


Hubbard later confided in a woman he wanted to marry, Barbara Kay, how walked into his mother’s bedroom one day and caught her in bed making love to another woman. A serious trauma for a child to deal with. One can imagine the other naked women jumping up shouting “Get that fucking kid outta here!” then his sobbing mother replies, “You had better go, Betsy, he’s my son and I have to take care of him.” All sorts of juicy engram things would have been recorded. Stuff like this played their part in his becoming a wife beater. His son told he watched his father beat up his mother. He had a rifle in his hands but couldn’t bring himself to shoot his own father.


An interview with Barbara Kaye, “He drank excessively and talked in proportion to his intake. He told grotesque tales about his family mostly and his hatred of his mother, who he said was a lesbian and a whore. He was fond of his grandfather, a heavy drinker who played a fiddle with the head of a Negro carved in the handle. His father was a sailor - a radio man who sent out communications on the ship, who got on the Kansas City Star.”


“He suspected his father was illegitimate. His (father’s) mother had been thrown on charity when the baby was born. "Ron is a deeply unhappy man. He said the only thing he has had to show affection on for the last few years has been a calico cat, before he met me. Although he was married to Sara at the time, “He buried his head in my neck in one of his deep drunk periods of depression and dreamed of empire, to rule the world by idea... "


Whether Harry knew or cared about his wife’s bisexuality is unknown, but then he was a sailor. One wonders if Ron called his mother a whore because he was the only member in both families with very bright curly red hair that never appeared before. The boy picked up quickly, but not the right things for a kid to know about. With Ron Hubbard his treatment of children turned out cold and indifferent. He didn’t care about reports of cruelty when as full leader he should have put a stop to it. He had problems in relating even to his own children.


Hubbard wrote, “My mother was one of those strange beings of her time, an educated woman. Most of the early schooling I received was actually from my mother since we were together a great deal of time, and since I was moved from school to school and often lost out my mother would see to it that I made up what I had missed and far more. She was a thin, handsome woman of the Western pioneer type and temperament. She died in 1959. “


This ‘far more’ he mentions? To learn Hubbard-speak you ignore the main point and pick up on expressions that slip by unnoticed. The truth is - all his life Hubbard had been trained in witchcraft! His mother, Ledora, was a grey witch, neither black nor white, who trained him in the “old ways” as a boy. It’s necessary to train children early to get them good at making others believe in the power of the rituals whether they work or not. Lenora’s family tree, the Waterbury’s, goes back to the time of the Salem witch trials. So does the name Hubbard, but his father was adapted


No information appears about the Hubbard family religion. His birth certificate doesn’t show religion. Hubbard did make some early remarks about conversing with Catholic priests, but they have been removed from official history. It really pisses them off to ask his family religion, they say he never had one! He did say the priests praised him. If they had known later in life he would attend black mass and recite the liturgy in a reverse under a reversed cross dipped in female menstrual blood they would have excommunicated him.


Hubbard’s need to throw himself into the magical mysteries at the deep end began in early life. Hubbard’s mother taught her boy the ancient arts while his father was at sea. The core of witchcraft is secrecy. Nowadays witchcraft is legal and just another religion, but back then it was very illegal. A whole lot more happened in their style of down home witchcraft than Halloween, wearing funny hats and brewing herbs that did funny things to your head and body. The well-known phenomena of witchcraft are of flying, every child knows witches fly through the air on broomsticks. Hubbard called it exteriorization. Lenora was well-educated so this desperate housewife built up a world of kitchen magic based on ancient mysteries found in arcane books and taught the contents to her child as his education.


Of course the story gets worse. Stop right now if offended by more expose on his childhood. A woman couldn’t go to hospital and abort in those days. They relied upon the witchy woman of their area. Abortion was illegal, yet what witches did was looked upon as a public service. Lenora’s sister worked at the local hospital, but it remained against the law and public morality for the local doctor to do the job. Although desperately needed religious pressure was put on doctors to stay away from terminating unwanted pregnancies. Young Hubbard joined the boy scouts to learn First Aid to help out in his mother’s out of town abortion clinic.


Hubbard trained from an early age to avoid telling about what went on behind closed barn doors a long way from the road. The ‘old homestead’, an extra house in the country was owned and built by his mother to use as a retreat and whatever else. It was made of slabs of untreated pine; the blood splattered wood could burn rather than mop up, leaving behind no evidence and unborn bodies burned as well. Her boy could use the witch’s bell, book, candle and mirror when mysticism was on the rise. After World War I many people, particularly women, sought spiritual contact with dead or lost brothers, husbands and sons.


He was born in 1911 the great war began in 1914 and ended in 1918, with another world war looming in 1939. These times show his major influences. His boyhood training to never tell secrets fitted in. The story of being the youngest Eagle Scout is not quite true; there had been younger boys from other areas, but could have been the youngest in his own. He got promotion for he could impress at his age, even if his skills were not as conventional as others.


When an adult he tried to break from his mother’s teachings. They didn’t fit into holding a career and raising a family. He tried his hand at writing science fiction but suffered from creative burnout after trying to mix it with the best for a while. He hovered around the outer fringes of greatness but dropped out for couldn’t take the pressure. He never had the right education, so he went ahead and made a world of his own.


His son said Hubbard used to hang out with Errol Flynn and I believe him. Flynn dreamed of being a writer and Hubbard conned him, the same as Hollywood actors are being conned today. Such a vulnerable group is easily got to and they were milked from the very beginning. It was noted that Flynn had “fourteen inches of untamed fury”. I doubt Hubbard had the same, but then, as they say, it’s not what you’ve got but what you do with it.


Funny thing many of the teachings he knew from his blessed childhood did apply to the human condition. The seeds of science had been concealed inside the shell of witchcraft to resist the ravages of organized religion. (Why are you tying me to this rack?)The magic thing should have died at the rise of the scientific age, but even scientists screwed it up for they too can be up themselves and full of it. Hubbard looked for ways to make what he knew into a system of the mind and found others to organize into a group. In a flurry of backstabbing about who owned what he emerged at the top of the heap with full ownership of what others had contributed.


His son, Nibs, broke from his father when it became obvious the teachings were using and not helping people and he begged for his father to control himself. A drunkard sailor having control of himself? Jeez, even the navy couldn’t control Hubbard, so like his school days he got thrown out. Walk the plank Hubbard! His father also served in the navy. Anyway, when joining the spoiled navy brat learned discipline at a level he never knew before. He found the experience terrifying but thought it was a wonderful idea for others to be disciplined by him and his bully cronies. In the primeval depths of the Org, the jungle of abbreviations and contractions of words come from past military manuals.
 

Veda

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Hubbard later confided in a woman he wanted to marry, Barbara Kay, how walked into his mother’s bedroom one day and caught her in bed making love to another woman.

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An interview with Barbara Kaye, “He drank excessively and talked in proportion to his intake. He told grotesque tales about his family mostly and his hatred of his mother, who he said was a lesbian and a whore.

-snip-

"Ron is a deeply unhappy man. He said the only thing he has had to show affection on for the last few years has been a calico cat, before he met me. Although he was married to Sara at the time, “He buried his head in my neck in one of his deep drunk periods of depression and dreamed of empire, to rule the world by idea... "

-snip-

Sounds like this came from the Russell Miller interview. OK.


Hubbard wrote, “...Most of the early schooling I received was actually from my mother since we were together a great deal of time, and since I was moved from school to school and often lost out my mother would see to it that I made up what I had missed and far more. She was a thin, handsome woman of the Western pioneer type and temperament. She died in 1959. “

Where did Hubbard write the above?


-snip-

The truth is - all his life Hubbard had been trained in witchcraft! His mother, Ledora, was a grey witch, neither black nor white, who trained him in the “old ways” as a boy. It’s necessary to train children early to get them good at making others believe in the power of the rituals whether they work or not. Lenora’s family tree, the Waterbury’s, goes back to the time of the Salem witch trials. So does the name Hubbard, but his father was adapted

-snip-

Hubbard’s mother taught her boy the ancient arts while his father was at sea. The core of witchcraft is secrecy. Nowadays witchcraft is legal and just another religion, but back then it was very illegal. A whole lot more happened in their style of down home witchcraft than Halloween, wearing funny hats and brewing herbs that did funny things to your head and body. The well-known phenomena of witchcraft are of flying, every child knows witches fly through the air on broomsticks. Hubbard called it exteriorization. Lenora was well-educated so this desperate housewife built up a world of kitchen magic based on ancient mysteries found in arcane books and taught the contents to her child as his education.


Of course the story gets worse. Stop right now if offended by more expose on his childhood. A woman couldn’t go to hospital and abort in those days. They relied upon the witchy woman of their area. Abortion was illegal, yet what witches did was looked upon as a public service. Lenora’s sister worked at the local hospital, but it remained against the law and public morality for the local doctor to do the job. Although desperately needed religious pressure was put on doctors to stay away from terminating unwanted pregnancies. Young Hubbard joined the boy scouts to learn First Aid to help out in his mother’s out of town abortion clinic.

-snip-

The ‘old homestead’, an extra house in the country was owned and built by his mother to use as a retreat and whatever else. It was made of slabs of untreated pine; the blood splattered wood could burn rather than mop up, leaving behind no evidence and unborn bodies burned as well.

-snip-

Please cite sources for the above. Where are you getting this?

Thanks.

By the way, there's a lot of content that's far more damning and critical of L. Ron Hubbard than what you've provided, and it's well documented too.

Don't worry about shocking anybody. However, some documentation would be nice. :)
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
I must admit that I'm not in slightest shocked.

That his mother may have been sleeping around, including with other women, was educated and that she had to keep her book of shadows hidden, and the family religion a complete secret is hardly without precedence. Christianity did not fully kill off the old religion, and yes even in those days people experimented in bed. There's a lot of the old religion mixed in with Christianity, the holy and the ivy, the celebrations of Christmas and Easter, these all come from pagan times the rebirth of life one god taking over from another. Hubbard's family left the old country for some reason, to survive better, either because of economics or to feel safer. Many pagan families did. However I do not know your source for this info.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LficLv8uWCU
 

l whip

Patron
Veda wrote,
“Hubbard wrote, “...Most of the early schooling I received was actually from my mother since we were together a great deal of time, and since I was moved from school to school and often lost out my mother would see to it that I made up what I had missed and far more. She was a thin, handsome woman of the Western pioneer type and temperament. She died in 1959. “

Where did Hubbard write the above?

I dunno, but it came from the Scientology official website. The structure of the Old Homestead is also mentioned on the official site but not why it remained built of raw pine when a few weekends of work would have made it better. These things remain uninvestigated until somebody more aware points out other connections.

How do I know his mother was a witch? Let me tell you, research and putting together the evidence in a more up to date way. I have not finished putting the whole case yet, there is a lot more to come. How do I know she was an abortionist? I said I was using my crystal ball! On the other than there are more quotes from Russell Miller and evidence against Scientology in Australia in the 60’s, where a government inquiry noted Hubbard’s constant obsession with abortion. He could not have had such detailed knowledge unless involved with numerous cases.

A multitude of other sources also notes these simple things as well. Come on, you know them better than I do. All this palaver about documentation only serves to kill the subject, much to the advantage of the Org. It pushes people away from framing the right questions. To upset people and put them of the defensive are the most well-known part of their game and I for one am part of the outside world that lives by more decent behavior.

How do I know about the Waterbury name was at Salem? By looking up the genealogy websites! Questions like those are no-brainers that even a child could research.

“By the way, there's a lot of content that's far more damning and critical of L. Ron Hubbard than what you've provided, and it's well documented too.”

Okay, now it’s my turn to ask questions and issue a challenge. Can you please produce this content and give references and comparisons right here on this board, so everyone else can see your point. I really want to know what can be worse about his history. Even he having the clap and being in sex orgies is well documented. The Achilles heel remains his childhood, no questions about it. They have tried to hush it up for years. One Indian Scientologist tried to get a war bonnet to ‘prove’ Hubbard was an Indian blood brother and got booted out of the tribe, serves him right. I haven’t got into the Jack Parson’s thing yet, I can promise still more of the same. Nobody gets anywhere by looking at the same old sources that try to dominate the knowledge of him as if their own. If I’m starting rumors then I will say so. Even a collection of those would be of interest, but I don’t know of any.
 
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Anyone can make up stories that might have truth to them. We do it all the time.
And you want Veda to go hunting for docs? Lurk moar.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
I whip, to answer your question - like degraded being said: you need to lurk more. Here are some examples of what is available on the internet
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?16879-Documents-of-A-LifeTime-The-L-Ron-Hubbard-Papers

I know you are new here but but being new means one has to look around the internet at all the information others have made sure was available to read. One can't hardly expect others to do all the legwork for you that they had to do for themselves over time. It's a learning process, this searching and finding and digesting. It's part of the recovery out. Google is your friend!
 

Udarnik

Gold Meritorious Patron
I whip, you are take a lot of data as stable, when it came from Hubbard in some form or another.

I think it's pretty obvious he hated his mother.

The convos he mocked up in Dianetics point to an unhappy home life, yet he revered his father, as evidenced by the eyewitnesses here to HRH's visit to the Apollo.

I can imagine another scenario that fits with the data - LRH was severely mentally ill from birth - NPD and perhaps sociopathic. He resisted all attempts to restrain his behavior. His mother was the main disciplinarian and so was the recipient of most of his ingratitude. He made up stories about her to justify his contempt. Every time he'd fail in the outside world because of his behavior, he'd be shipped back to her for more behavior modification.

Then, when she was researching her family history in the Library of Congress, he finds The Book of the Law and gets a philosophical justification for his aberrant behavior. What role did Satanism play in his teenaged years? There is little data on that at all.

What went on in that family? Why did Nibs identify more with the DeWolfe's, who were distant from LRH, than the Waterburys, with whom LRH had lived?

I suspect the mother may have carried the genes for Ron's mental illness. Was she a few cards short of a deck, too? Or not?

I suspect sexual abuse. Was Commander Thompson called "snake" for more than one reason? Or did the cousins or grandparents perpetrate the abuse? Or am I completely off base?

Don't settle on a theory until there is evidence that can ONLY be explained by that theory.

I like the line of inquiry. I think the mother's life holds many answers.

But they are answers we may never uncover.
 

anonomog

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hubbard couldn't tell the truth to save his life. Unless there is witness to verify his claims of witchcraft, lesbians and abortions, I would treat it as the same bilge as OT3, gorilla goals and trains on Venus.
The truth about this man is pathetic enough without having to buy into his drug and drink fuelled hallucinations and fantasies.

If old motherHubbard was any type of witch she would have not botched the abortion. If she was any type of witch she would have seen the screaming brat for what it would become and stuck a stake through its heart. Such a pity she was mere mortal.
 

l whip

Patron
La La Lou Lou wrote
"I must admit that I'm not in slightest shocked.


That his mother may have been sleeping around, including with other women, was educated and that she had to keep her book of shadows hidden, and the family religion a complete secret is hardly without precedence. Christianity did not fully kill off the old religion, and yes even in those days people experimented in bed. There's a lot of the old religion mixed in with Christianity, the holy and the ivy, the celebrations of Christmas and Easter, these all come from pagan times the rebirth of life one god taking over from another. Hubbard's family left the old country for some reason, to survive better, either because of economics or to feel safer. Many pagan families did. However I do not know your source for this info."


I love the Celtic ways and did Celtic studies. What is called the old religion suffered under the Romans, where they used doges to hunt down the ancient priests and killed them without trial. When Christianity took over from Rome they continued with the same policies of intolerance towards what would be regarded as moderate ecological beliefs today. Christianity or the older form of it, took over Europe by making agreements and then breaking them. They agreed to accept the solstices, the accepted custom of Europeans from the Neolithic or New Stone Age that are still with us as Christmas and Easter. Pagan comes from the Latin word ‘pagasus’ meaning ‘of the country’.

As you say many people moved to America for it gave promise, not so much of a New World, but of the pagan world as it used to be. Did you know that Karl Marx said that 95% of the first immigrants to America were of Celtic descent? I don’t know if you sensed already, but Ron’s red hair was pure ethnic Celtic. Even his grandson Jamie deWolfe shares the same distinctive ethnic type that is becoming a rarity. You can see my problem here, I can swagger into this board and say I got this and that from such and such an authority, but for what it’s worth after years of my own research I’m my own authority. As such I can see things in ways that others may not. When I started Scientology years ago I gained minor fame for second sight, being able to look right through people. Anyway blessings to you.
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader



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I love the Celtic ways and did Celtic studies. What is called the old religion suffered under the Romans, where they used doges to hunt down the ancient priests and killed them without trial. When Christianity took over from Rome they continued with the same policies of intolerance towards what would be regarded as moderate ecological beliefs today. Christianity or the older form of it, took over Europe by making agreements and then breaking them. They agreed to accept the solstices, the accepted custom of Europeans from the Neolithic or New Stone Age that are still with us as Christmas and Easter. Pagan comes from the Latin word ‘pagasus’ meaning ‘of the country’.

As you say many people moved to America for it gave promise, not so much of a New World, but of the pagan world as it used to be. Did you know that Karl Marx said that 95% of the first immigrants to America were of Celtic descent? I don’t know if you sensed already, but Ron’s red hair was pure ethnic Celtic. Even his grandson Jamie deWolfe shares the same distinctive ethnic type that is becoming a rarity. You can see my problem here, I can swagger into this board and say I got this and that from such and such an authority, but for what it’s worth after years of my own research I’m my own authority. As such I can see things in ways that others may not. When I started Scientology years ago I gained minor fame for second sight, being able to look right through people. Anyway blessings to you.

There is something of an outsider about Hubbard, being of an outlawed minority religion could account for that to a little extent. I do know a two senior people who are Wiccan, and not trendy Goths with black lipstick and a dress printed with cobweb patterns, but the real thing. Though both are very unusual people, and do have a bit of an outsider viewpoint neither of them are vaguely Hubbardish. Then again after a few decades or culting I am a bit of an outsider too.

I understand what you say about absorbing info and not being sure any more what the source is. However without details of how you came across the information we can't really accept it as gospel. Nothing wrong with a little speculation though.

Now I can't remember where I read it but I heard that red haired genes came from Neanderthals mixing with Homo Saps, but relying on my memory is not a good thing to do.
 

Udarnik

Gold Meritorious Patron
Now I can't remember where I read it but I heard that red haired genes came from Neanderthals mixing with Homo Saps, but relying on my memory is not a good thing to do.

There were red-headed Neanderthals, but the mutation that led to their red hair had a different locus from the one in Homo Saps that leads to red hair. We have about 4% Neanderthal genes, but this ain't one of them.
 

l whip

Patron
I whip, you are take a lot of data as stable, when it came from Hubbard in some form or another.

I think it's pretty obvious he hated his mother.

The convos he mocked up in Dianetics point to an unhappy home life, yet he revered his father, as evidenced by the eyewitnesses here to HRH's visit to the Apollo.

I can imagine another scenario that fits with the data - LRH was severely mentally ill from birth - NPD and perhaps sociopathic. He resisted all attempts to restrain his behavior. His mother was the main disciplinarian and so was the recipient of most of his ingratitude. He made up stories about her to justify his contempt. Every time he'd fail in the outside world because of his behavior, he'd be shipped back to her for more behavior modification.

Then, when she was researching her family history in the Library of Congress, he finds The Book of the Law and gets a philosophical justification for his aberrant behavior. What role did Satanism play in his teenaged years? There is little data on that at all.

What went on in that family? Why did Nibs identify more with the DeWolfe's, who were distant from LRH, than the Waterburys, with whom LRH had lived?

I suspect the mother may have carried the genes for Ron's mental illness. Was she a few cards short of a deck, too? Or not?

I suspect sexual abuse. Was Commander Thompson called "snake" for more than one reason? Or did the cousins or grandparents perpetrate the abuse? Or am I completely off base?

Don't settle on a theory until there is evidence that can ONLY be explained by that theory.

I like the line of inquiry. I think the mother's life holds many answers.

But they are answers we may never uncover.

You put forward some very interesting thoughts there. I heed your advice not to settle on one theory, but you must publish a theory first and work from there or get nowhere. What I'm trying to do is stay safe by quoting Hubbard, after all he started the whole goddam mess. I looked at him in a scout photo and somehow got the feeling by his posture that he once had rickets ( a bone disease of the legs.) but had recovered. I don't know what role satanism played, what I have put forward is witchcraft, he did become a satanist for brief period in later life which is not the same. But to start something on what he did we must look at the broader picture of what was happening across America.

I don't think his mother was nuts. But have you heard that insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children. As I said Ron was leader of a bully gang and that stems from being spoiled by his aunts who justified his bad behavior. And then did 'Snake' Thompson point the python at him? Did his grandparents perpetrate abuse? In one of his many raves about abortion Hubbard does say the grandparents were present. I'm still looking for that one to post. Nibs wanted to distance himself from his father to the extent of changing his name. I will deal with that one in a later post.
 

Veda

Sponsor
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I can see things in ways that others may not. When I started Scientology years ago I gained minor fame for second sight

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When giving your clairvoyant psychic readings please say that is what you are doing.

For example, your opening post featured, without attribution or explanation, an excerpt from a Russell Miller interview, a quote from an unspecified Scientology Inc. web site, and a large block of stuff from one of your clairvoyant psychic readings.

It's a lot less messy for people who are sincerely trying to sort this out if you specify what is what.
 

Udarnik

Gold Meritorious Patron
You put forward some very interesting thoughts there. I heed your advice not to settle on one theory, but you must publish a theory first and work from there or get nowhere. What I'm trying to do is stay safe by quoting Hubbard, after all he started the whole goddam mess. I looked at him in a scout photo and somehow got the feeling by his posture that he once had rickets ( a bone disease of the legs.) but had recovered. I don't know what role satanism played, what I have put forward is witchcraft, he did become a satanist for brief period in later life which is not the same. But to start something on what he did we must look at the broader picture of what was happening across America.

I don't think his mother was nuts. But have you heard that insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children. As I said Ron was leader of a bully gang and that stems from being spoiled by his aunts who justified his bad behavior. And then did 'Snake' Thompson point the python at him? Did his grandparents perpetrate abuse? In one of his many raves about abortion Hubbard does say the grandparents were present. I'm still looking for that one to post. Nibs wanted to distance himself from his father to the extent of changing his name. I will deal with that one in a later post.

He admitted that part about the Crowley book. He must have been 16 or so. Did he just drop it after that until he hooked up with Parsons? I doubt it, but have no proof one way or the other.
 

l whip

Patron
I don't know much about the Crowley book, at a guess his mother could have had a copy. These were the days when that sort of thing was new and fresh. But we must accept Hubbard's version for now. We don't have much information on what he in his early manhood, except that he beat the shit out of his wife and tried to earn a living by writing. Whether he was a member of a coven or some other sort of order I don't know.
 
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Poison Ivy

Patron
This is a very interesting account with a lot of intuitive and logical observations. I'm also fascinated with Hubbard's pathology and how it began in his early life, but only know the most obvious sources.

Where did this item below come from? Source?

Rare accounts of early life say his father, Harry, alarmed at his son’s lack of education sent him to various schools where he routinely got expelled for bullying and organizing gangs that stole lunch money and other things.
It seems to me if this is true, that this is evidence of a criminal/sociopathic pathology that was perhaps even inborn. If he's a little kid running around, organizing bullying escapades and had to be kept away from others because of his bad influence. I'd love to hear more about this.

Just a note, though, about Hubbard's mom being from the original Salem stock - I am from original Salem stock as well. Right there on the family tree with some artifacts passed down as well. And it's a myth that many people in colonial Salem practiced witchcraft widely. They didn't. They were God-fearing 2nd and 3rd generation American Puritans, in the midst of a period in which fundamentalist thought was in revival. That fundamentalist thought included a paranoiac fear of the devil, fear of black magic, and fear of witches. While witch-hunting had been a movement in Europe throughout the previous century, most of those 'witches' burned or hung were women who were gifted at herbal healing, or who learned to read, or who owned property. There's a huge socio-political aspect to the European witch hunts that has absolutely nothing to do with magic, or magick, or the practice thereof. Many scholars have argued a similar causality to the New England witch hunts which began with the crisis in Salem.

There's no way "Salem witchcraft" was passed down to Hub's mom because there WAS no "Salem witchcraft" being practiced. Only Tituba, the West Indian (it is thought) slave was actually 'practicing' witchy-type activities - which would have been mainstream spiritual practice in the world she grew up in. She taught fortune-telling and other 'light' supernatural games to the pre-teen and teen girls in her care, who were the ones who started the hysteria. There have been several scholarly papers now about the convulsions and hallucinations of the girls, which some posit were caused by a virus that infected the rye during that time (and affected many girls and women in such a way.) Whatever caused the original 'outbreak', Tituba didn't confess to witchcraft and start telling her colorful stories until after she suffered days of brutal beatings. The girls were then pressued to tell similar stories, and the lies just kept mushrooming. The Salem witch hysteria then became a way for neighbors in a very repressed, fearful Puritan world to get revenge on other neighbors they'd been resenting for a long time. There were some local politics involved as well. All supported and encouraged by the fundamentalist thought of the time, as preached by Cotton Mather and other religious leaders, who were trying to get the 3rd generation Puritans to return to the more pious way of living that their European grandparents and great grandparents had come to America to practice.

Throughout American history as well as European, educated, strong-minded women and women gifted in the healing arts were always the first ones suspected of witchcraft. So in that sense, Hub's mom fits the bill. But unless there's documentation, there's no way she was teaching him her "Salem-style" witchcraft because there wasn't any Salem-style witchcraft to be taught. It makes for great stories, though. Witness last season of American Horror Story.

Your conjecture about the backwoods abortion clinic, though, makes far more sense to me. (One of the thing traditional 'witches' and midwives did was help women try and prevent and get out of unwanted pregnancies, with varying results.) The availability of birth control (and by extension, abortion) was one of the top issues on the mind of the early feminists/suffragettes...the idea that women should not have to be ruled by their reproductive functions. So if Mrs. Hubbard was indeed a suffragette, a rebellious educated woman, and a feminist (not to mention a lesbian or bisexual), then it makes sense that she would've supported backwoods abortions.

Do you have a source for the Barbara Kaye comment about Hubs' mom being a lesbian?

This is all really interesting stuff.
 

The_Fixer

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While witch-hunting had been a movement in Europe throughout the previous century, most of those 'witches' burned or hung were women who were gifted at herbal healing, or who learned to read, or who owned property. There's a huge socio-political aspect to the European witch hunts that has absolutely nothing to do with magic, or magick, or the practice thereof. Many scholars have argued a similar causality to the New England witch hunts which began with the crisis in Salem.

I heard the majority of the European targets/victims were midwives, from a documentary I watched. Something to do with their involvement in the mystique/mystery/magic of life.

you obviously have not met some footie fans in England and Scotland. Red headed neanderthals would describe some of them...

I've heard about them too.

One guy I used to work with came from Leeds. He told us his mother would read the papers first before she would got shopping in town to see what teams were playing that day or week. Then she would decide on that basis when she would go shopping to avoid certain mixes of loony footy fan groups.

He also used to quip that the neighbourhood he came from, even the dogs walked in pairs.
 
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