The Clear Cognition ***Confidential***

[Hatshepsut]

NOTS #11?

YEP!

 

[Terril park]

YEP!

Its also somewhere else in a non confidential issue. Can't remember
where and its not easily locatable via new vols index.

 

[Hatshepsut]

I'm glad I sucked up everything when I had a memory. Now that I'm old I can't remember where I remember things from. Hell, sometimes I even forget the common words for ..uh...for uh...AND uh...a.....uh..oh forget it.

 

[knn]

"The State of Clear . . . can be achieved prior to doing the Clearing Course. It can occur on Dianetic auditing, especially New Era Dianetics. Sometimes it has occurred on Goals Processing, and even on Objective Processes."

CBR (whom I like VERY much) talks on the Excalibur level more extensively about it.

I always wondered why Clear is prerequisite for the OT Levels, although you haven't been Clear when you got Incident II implanted.

I wonder (if this prerequisite wouldn't exist) whether the Clear Cog could occur on OT2 (since OT2 GPMs deals with "Desire a picture machine") or OT3 (since or Pilot says that "He's mocking it up") or Original OT8 ("Why Thetans mock up").

 

[uniquemand]

Being charitable, I think the reason you would want someone to be "clear" at least to some extent, is so that they understand they are responsible for their own pictures, and have some facility with cleaning them up, rather than putting that responsibility on others.

 

[Dulloldfart]

NOTS #11?

I had to go dig that up on Wikileaks. It talks about some BTs going Clear on Objectives. Not the same thing as a person going Clear on Objectives.

I imagine that idea came from Hubbard thinking that by his own arbitrary rule he wasn't allowed to go Clear on Objectives even though that seems like when it was, so therefore it must have been a BT that went Clear instead.

I won't get into the tech of supposedly addressing a thing that isn't really an entire being "achieving" a state that isn't clearly defined and probably doesn't exist.

Paul

 

[Veda]

-snip-

Hubbard seems to have been in some state of uncertainty about what he was projecting to Scientologists, in the late 1970s, re. Dianetics and Clear, and until he got over the wobblies, and settled down on some Hubbardian factual fact data ("datums"), his disciples, the Scientologists, were similarly wobbly. Not a pleasant state for a Scientologist, whose mind is to be organized according to Hubbard's whim.

Here's a quote from a 1965 HCOB re "keyed out Clear":

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=32002&postcount=11

This thread is not about Xenu-ology, but I guess it's part of the fog of Hubbardian "total certainty," and since the topic has been broached...

As I recall, "The Pilot saying he's mocking it up" was, per the OT 3 materials, a picture of the "pilot saying he's mocking it up," which was part of the implant portion of the (according to the materials) actual historical event of "Incident 2" and, as an picture of "the Pilot," in an implant that was done after the actual pilot (or pilots) dropped the bombs on the volcanoes, it was an implanted misdirector.

Hubbard spent about 10 years doing some interesting work, and about twenty years malevolently messing with people's minds, and mixed the two together, creating the jumble of "Scientology."

And yes, according to Hubbard, people only "go Clear" on the "Clearing Course" or Dianetics, not on "garbage eating," etc., with the "garbage eating" comment seriously caving-in some wide-eyed eager rosy-cheeked Scientologists, who had come to believe - in the Clear Frenzy that started in 1979 (when Hubbard decided it was time to begin sucking the $$$ and people out of the Missions) - that they had "gone Clear" as disciples of the Buddha, 2500 years ago, and that was "OK" since Ron was the Buddha, etc.

Of course, since Hubbard also rescinded the (the briefly existing) idea that people could "go Clear on Objectives," perhaps Hubbard was indirectly saying that "garbage eating" was a kind of Objective process.

 

[Zinjifar]

One major reason (if not *the* major reason) for insisting on 'Clear' before doing 'OT' is that it's part of the gradient 'implantology' and must be 'quality controlled' before moving on to the 'confidential' (and, less rational, therefore, more likely to be 'rejected') 'data'.

A person who's swallowed the mystery sandwich to the point of actually *believing* he's 'Clear' is less likely to laugh out loud at Xenu et al.

Zinj

 

[Dulloldfart]

As I recall, "The Pilot saying he's mocking it up" was, per the OT 3 materials, a picture of the "pilot saying he's mocking it up," which was part of the implant portion of the (according to the materials) actual historical event of "Incident 2" and, as an picture of "the Pilot," in an implant that was done after the actual pilot (or pilots) dropped the bombs on the volcanoes, it was an implanted misdirector.

Where do you get the idea that "the Pilot(s)" were the ones who dropped the bombs? I'm not aware of anywhere Hubbard gave any further description of "The Pilot" at all, but I am always happy to learn, even if it is useless data.

Paul

 

[Veda]

Where do you get the idea that "the Pilot(s)" were the ones who dropped the bombs? I'm not aware of anywhere Hubbard gave any further description of "The Pilot" at all, but I am always happy to learn, even if it is useless data.

Paul

My point was that the "Pilot" is - per OT 3 - part of the implant segment of "Incident 2," and not part of the earlier capture, transport to Teegeeack, nuking, etc. That the "Pilot" was a picture in an implant.

I think you'll find that there are some who think that the "Pilot" was the one(s) who "dropped the Bomb," but that's not my interpretation, my interpretation is that I don't take it seriously.

 

[Terril park]

This thread is not about Xenu-ology, but I guess it's part of the fog of Hubbardian "total certainty," and since the topic has been broached...

As I recall, "The Pilot saying he's mocking it up" was, per the OT 3 materials, a picture of the "pilot saying he's mocking it up," which was part of the implant portion of the (according to the materials) actual historical event of "Incident 2" and, as an picture of "the Pilot," in an implant that was done after the actual pilot (or pilots) dropped the bombs on the volcanoes, it was an implanted misdirector.

Hubbard spent about 10 years doing some interesting work, and about twenty years malevolently messing with people's minds, and mixed the two together, creating the jumble of "Scientology."

And yes, according to Hubbard, people only "go Clear" on the "Clearing Course" or Dianetics, not on "garbage eating," etc., with the "garbage eating" comment seriously caving-in some wide-eyed eager rosy-cheeked Scientologists, who had come to believe - in the Clear Frenzy that started in 1979 (when Hubbard decided it was time to begin sucking the $$$ and people out of the Missions) - that they had "gone Clear" as disciples of the Buddha, 2500 years ago, and that was "OK" since Ron was the Buddha, etc.

Of course, since Hubbard also rescinded the (the briefly existing) idea that people could "go Clear on Objectives," perhaps Hubbard was indirectly saying that "garbage eating" was a kind of Objective process.

You got details of the red on white where hubbard rescinded going clear on objectives?

See post 5 the 1980 HCOB saying clear re objectives.

Can't recheck nots 11 as my main computer is down. It will get some audited NOTs tomorrow.

 

[lionheart]

One major reason (if not *the* major reason) for insisting on 'Clear' before doing 'OT' is that it's part of the gradient 'implantology' and must be 'quality controlled' before moving on to the 'confidential' (and, less rational, therefore, more likely to be 'rejected') 'data'.

A person who's swallowed the mystery sandwich to the point of actually *believing* he's 'Clear' is less likely to laugh out loud at Xenu et al.

Zinj

You've hit the nail on the head there Zinj!

One way to look at the Grade Chart is as a series of initiations as per Rosicrucianism or the OTO, et al. which is the tradition that LRH came from.

The lower grades are the exoteric, neophyte grades for public consumption.

Power was the first esoteric initiation. Then R6EW, then Clearing Course. Then the Adept Grades (OT levels)

Each grade was an initiation and a method of selecting suggestible candidates for the next grade.

The "processes" are actually initiation ceremonies.

Then the Occult Master noticed that too many members were staying in the neophyte levels (especially as there were now so many Neophyte levels). So he took a calculated risk to by-pass some of the lower initiations and the Power to CC degrees and move the neophytes from the outer occult schools into the inner sanctum schools (Advanced Orgs). He probably believed his power over people's minds was strong enough to make this risk pay off.

This was alligned to his Occult affirmation that "Men are your slaves". So he told neophytes that they could miss some of the lower initiations because they had already been prepared for the "Clear" Grade and could move straight on to the more esoteric inner sanctum initiations. Of course this brought income ("material things are yours for the asking") more directly into the Occult Master's control and away from the control of the outer exoteric schools.

He'd seeded much of his writings with the Clear initiation (Clear cog) so that the secret was not particularly "confidential" at all. With a little guidance by a Clear initiate (Clear Certainty Rundown auditor) the neophyte could be guided through the Clear intitiation and moved on to the inner sanctum schools.

Largely this calculated risk by the Master paid off. Much Power (money) was acquired by the Master. Some Initiates fell on their heads or failed the further initiatations but the Master got his desired Power flows. And some Adept Initiates moved on to the further higher degrees of Initiation.

 

[Terril park]

CBR (whom I like VERY much) talks on the Excalibur level more extensively about it.

I always wondered why Clear is prerequisite for the OT Levels, although you haven't been Clear when you got Incident II implanted.

I wonder (if this prerequisite wouldn't exist) whether the Clear Cog could occur on OT2 (since OT2 GPMs deals with "Desire a picture machine") or OT3 (since or Pilot says that "He's mocking it up") or Original OT8 ("Why Thetans mock up").

Very interesting points.

COS historically hasn't handled the issue of clear well.

Was told, or it may have been a C/S, that one was exterior when one recieved these implants and thus it is good being exterior while/after running them.

Earlier in the fifties ext was sort of considered an indication of clear.

I thought OT 2 would be better described as Mock up a picture making machine. As an example on the " house" GPM I mocked up a wife or 2D as part of that. But.. what the hell, I'm a squirrel. Got me more reads though.

So are we in both OT 2&3 looking at mocking up primarily? [ don't believe the OT 3 story]

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I always wondered why Clear is prerequisite for the OT Levels, although you haven't been Clear when you got Incident II implanted.

Whether or not a "being" was "clear" at the time of some "implant" is irrelevant. The goal is to eliminate any confusions associated with any apparent "upper level" phenomena. Thus, the ability to discern & differentiate distinct "origins" or "sources" is absolutely essential to beginning to address what arises on such levels. This is especially so with regard to conceptual or "postulated" data.

This is a skill that a "clear" typically has, or is at least more developed in a "clear". It is a skill commonly deficient in a person who has not yet achieved the "state of clear". "Quickieing clear" or otherwise failing to completely achieve it thus can lead to significant complexities and problems with later auditing.

None of this discussion of "clear" relies on the hyperbolic descriptions of a "superbeing" on which Hubbard or his critics likes to focus. David Mayo's description of "clear" is a good workable description of the necessary state of mind for successful auditing of "upper level" material.



Mark A. Baker

 

[Veda]

"[Clear] is not an attainable state (at least given our present level of technology.)" David Mayo, 1991.

 

[uniquemand]

http://www.ivymag.org/iv-01-02.html (Mayo Clears Up Clear)

 

[knn]

It's the confidential "State of Clear" HCOB. Hubbard cancelled it with the issue that said you can only Clear on Dianetics or the CC and not on garbage eating. Only exception was the "very, very rare" Natural Clear.

I don't see see anything in that garbage-HCOB (5 MARCH 1979R) cancelling "DIANETIC CLEAR FALSE DECLARES". Especially not since it would be a 1979 HCOB cancelling an HCOB that has been revised 1980. It merely mentions that you can only go clear in "Dianetics and/or Scientology".

I might be mistaken if there is some new version with revised garbage, but is there?

 

[knn]

You've hit the nail on the head there Zinj!

One way to look at the Grade Chart is as a series of initiations as per Rosicrucianism or the OTO, et al. which is the tradition that LRH came from.

The OT sign is a freemason sign by the way (A snake making a circle with a T in the middle. That's how they have it in their temple).

 

[Zinjifar]

The OT sign is a freemason sign by the way (A snake making a snake with a T in the middle. That's how they have it in their temple).

I thought it was an aerial view of a cockroach

Zinj

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I thought it was an aerial view of a cockroach

Zinj

Scarab.


Mark A. Baker