Auditor's Toad
Clear as Mud
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Mark A. baker
Happy Birthday, Mark !
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Mark A. baker
The Scientologist - or Ex-Scientologist, who believes that he/she is Clear, is exactly like the Christian who believes that he/she is speaking in unknown tongues.
Whether those beliefs are useful or not is another question.
The woman speaking in tongues ? Damn ! I wish I had followed her intead of Hubbard !
She makes more sense !
Happy Birthday, Mark !
I didn't say we were 47% funded by Psychs and Big Pharma. I said 47% of respondents to the Poll said they were funded by Psychs and Big Pharma! I'm sure they all felt 100% onboard. The joke is that the ESMB "data" (a J&D joker response) was actually quoted by OSA in a Staff Briefing, I was told.<...snip>
Oh, and if it gives OSA a heart attack to think someone here could be 47% backed & funded by Psychiatry and Big Pharma I hereby swear I am 100% employed by Psychiatry and Big Pharma to be here on ESMB ( They don't pay as well as DM had paid to have Pat Broeker followed for over 25 years ).
I didn't say we were 47% funded by Psychs and Big Pharma. I said 47% of respondents to the Poll said they were funded by Psychs and Big Pharma! I'm sure they all felt 100% onboard. The joke is that the ESMB "data" (a J&D joker response) was actually quoted by OSA in a Staff Briefing, I was told.
Nah, you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear enough, lol. I wasn't asking what you thought about "clear". I read your posts and know how you feel about it.What do I think about "clear" ? What do I about people who think they are "clear" ?
Oh, I've posted a fair amount on this thread of my opinion of "clear" so I'm not going to do the homework for someone else not even inclined to read to thread they are posting on.
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I all due respect to you......................I look at it and have to call it what I feel it was and that was part of the experience of being immersed in a cult.
Nothing more, nothing less.
It seems to me to try to keep assigning"it" the value it had while "in" the cult is to drag and give credence to something that most of us - in the light of day & away from the grasp od the cult - feel never really existed the way it was said to exist.
I could be wrong. I feel it is time to move on from the concepts of the cult that just don't seem to really exist...... and, anyway, have never been ever proven to be in existence anywhere by anybody.
'Clear' is false data.
29 pages of posts and I still have no idea what 'clear' feels like :confused2:
I went to bed and fell asleep last night contemplating the "state of clear".
For the first time in quite awhile I FLEW in my dreams. I was flying everywhere! It was easy. I had confidence and certaintly (in my dream) in my ability to fly. I felt so light. I felt SO "in control". I woke up, took a pee, went back to sleep, and FLEW some more!
And, I realized IN THE DREAM that "I mocked it all up"!!!!!!!!!!!!! :confused2:
Where's the examiner? I want to ATTEST to the state of clear NOW!
(oh wait, I already attest many years ago - three or four different TIMES . . . . )
29 pages of posts and I still have no idea what 'clear' feels like :confused2:
Hey, maybe we could start a thread about flying in our dreams. I personally used to fly but now I run incredibly fast, floating almost, for miles and miles, even up hills, and I would attest to this as a real lasting win.
Toady, my man . . .
We're actually saying the same thing. We are actually in accord.
This part in red of yours above: "It seems to me to try to keep assigning"it" the value it had while "in" the cult is to drag and give credence to something that most of us - in the light of day & away from the grasp od the cult - feel never really existed the way it was said to exist."
My whole piece was about dismantling the cult thing, its beliefs and premises upon which we judged/evaluated what we got or didn't get from it.
And what I am being very precise about is that the change we each experienced while in did occur . . . it's what kept us going whether deluded or not . . . that change needs to be understood for what it actually is; and not misunderstood or falsely labelled as it is in the cult.
Some, of course, don't feel they experienced any change at all while in . . . and that too is valid for them. And the underlying truth is that the promised "states" as promoted by the cult are a false promise . . . those states are not achieved by its practices.
But, equally, it is unwise to negate the truth of what one did experience while in. That just adds more mess to the whole parade we went through.
Rog
I went to bed and fell asleep last night contemplating the "state of clear".
For the first time in quite awhile I FLEW in my dreams. I was flying everywhere! It was easy. I had confidence and certaintly (in my dream) in my ability to fly. I felt so light. I felt SO "in control". I woke up, took a pee, went back to sleep, and FLEW some more!
And, I realized IN THE DREAM that "I mocked it all up"!!!!!!!!!!!!! :confused2:
Where's the examiner? I want to ATTEST to the state of clear NOW!
(oh wait, I already attest many years ago - three or four different TIMES . . . . )