The Clear Contradiction

mockingbird

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This post is a sequel to the Secret of Scientology Part 1

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37580-THE-SECRET-OF-SCIENTOLOGY-PART-1

And properly belongs within it BUT to make it easier I splintered this off for brevity for the readers

I know some of my posts are the length of small books and this one will not be short or the easiest to get so I want it separate to get the attention it needs and be seen as a subtopic within the area it fits in .


In that earlier post I tried to lay out how contradiction works to establish the confusion and then trance logic giving Hubbard control of a victim and making them unable to think critically and independently on a topic .

I also tried to show lots of Scientology doctrines many contradictions that are there in a clear and understandable manner .


Here I will focus on one of the very most contradicted and confused ideas in Scientology and Dianetics that hides the bad results and no results often for victims fro life .


It is a lynchpin to the whole con even working at all and has been since day one book one .







The clear con .





The term is defined and redefined over and over and even by SOS and many times in Scientology proper .


So the victims are confused and cannot see either the contradiction OR look critically at the failure to produce results .


It further is the measuring stick for releases - not quite clears and OTs clears plus some more .


By having many ideas and states be defined with it within their definitions it ties its ambiguity and contradiction and trance logic to understanding them .


One lie ( really a body or circle of lies on a theme to utterly confuse on it ) spreads by mental association to poison thinking on a whole interlocking web that ALL strengthen each other .


Now some can say wait clear is as simple idea !


Well , that is a good point for debate .







I will attempt to show just how simple it really is and if you feel it is that way after I have presented my evidence please speak up - if you have evidence of equal strength to the contrary .

Let us start with quotes from Hubbard to show what he told folks : NOTE all quotes herein taken from Michel Snoeck and his site .

NOTE to the best of my knowledge ALL these quotes are 100% lies and should always be seen as such .

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from DMSMH
“Dianetically, the optimum individual is called the clear. One will hear much of that word, both as a noun and a verb, in this volume, so it is well to spend time here at the outset setting forth exactly what can be called a clear, the goal of dianetic therapy.

A clear can be tested for any and all psychoses, neuroses, compulsions and repressions (all aberrations) and can be examined for any autogenic (self-generated) diseases referred to as psycho-somatic ills. These tests confirm the clear to be entirely without such ills or aberrations. Additional tests of his intelligence indicate it to be high above the current norm. Observation of his activity demonstrates that he pursues existence with vigor and satisfaction.” LRH


A Scientology Clear would be able to confront the physical universe, other bodies, his own body, other minds, his own mind and other beings—without trimmings.” LRH (from ‘Ability 52’, [early Aug 57] “Confronting”).
Ability 67’, [mid Feb 58]: “Today's clears are quite clear. The state is finite, precise and stable. We ought to be able to say so.”





In ‘Ability 71’, [Mar-Apr 58] we then find that it turned to:
SCIENTOLOGICALLY, the optimum individual is called the clear. One will hear much of that word, both as a noun and a verb, so it is well to spend time here at the outset setting forth exactly what can be called a clear, the goal of Scientology processing.” “To flatten an incident Dianetically, you only erase it. To flatten it Scientologically you run it until pc has it back again fully and is total cause over it (you run it after it has erased).” LRH
(from HCOB 7 Apr 60 “A New Summary of Auditing” )

“The 1947 scale of wins was this: Get a pc to have pictures by any device. Get the pc to erase light locks. Get the pc to be more and more able to handle gradiently heavier bits of bank*. When pc was fully confident, pc was clear.” LRH
(from HCOB 7 Apr 60 “A New Summary of Auditing” )



HCOB 7 Apr 60 “A New Summary of Auditing” that says: “To flatten an incident Dianetically, you only erase it. To flatten it Scientologically you run it until pc has it back again fully and is total cause over it (you run it after it has erased).” LRH .

I have just made a breakthrough in finding what a clear really is. ... 1965: This year marked the occurrence of 2 very significant developments:
Firstly with the release HCOB 2 Apr 65 “The Road to Clear” it was stabilized stating about the Clear as described in the book ‘Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health’ that:
“This is a simulated clear. We called it a ‘keyed out clear’ quite properly. But it isn't a clear I know now, it's a RELEASE. The person has been released from his reactive mind*. He still has that reactive mind but he's not in it. He is just released from it.” LRH

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This determined what a Dianetic Clear actually was. It set its boundaries.


“We know all the attributes of Clear and Operating Thetans.
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In the history of this universe there has never been a true Clear or true OT.
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Every Clear ever encountered in this universe was a Keyed-out Clear—a Release. He still had all his bank, GPMs and engrams. They were simply keyed out and not influencing him. We have known that for some time.” LRH
(from HCOB 18 Jun 65 “Clear and OT Behaviour” )




the 26th September 1965 Grade Chart noted:
“By Scientology AUDITING and individual can attain new states of Existence called RELEASE and CLEAR. ... The quality of processing has been upgraded in 1965 as higher states have been found. Clear today is a higher state than previously. We once called ‘Clear’ what is today called RELEASE. Clear was higher than was first thought.” “That we are today making a TOTAL Clear as well as Operating Thetans is completely out of comparison with what Dianetics was trying to do. “And that would be a Release. And in the early days this was so good that a Dianetic Clear—we're making them now, we're making Dianetic Clears again. I've gotten two or three thank-you despatches and things like that. We're making Dianetic Clears. But of course a Dianetic Clear is actually merely a Release and unfortunate, but they strangely enough have approximately the same manifestations that are described in Book One.” LRH
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(from Saint Hill Special Briefing Course lecture #75, renumbered 1991: #438 “Releases and Clears”, given on 16 Aug 66 )





“In 1966, after years of research and development, Ron finalized the Clearing Course at Saint Hill Manor in England. This was a breakthrough of almost unimaginable magnitude. Since the first publication of ‘Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health’ in 1950, Ron had communicated about the State of CLEAR where people freed from the influence of the Reactive Mind. However, up to 1966 the states attained were temporary as the person was only keyed-out Clear or Release.

“You are a Clear. Well done and congratulations. “BASIC BASIC—This belongs in Scientology. It is wholly beyond the scope of Dianetics. It means the most basic basic of all basics and results in clearing. It is found on the Clearing Course.” LRH (from HCOB 23 Apr 69 “Basic Definitions” ).
“When you put somebody back to the level of Operating Thetan you are putting somebody back who is different than any being who has ever been on the track - there's never before been an OT with experience.
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Never before in the history of the universe has there been anything but a released OT, a being who is temporarily exterior and feels great but sooner or later - within minutes or centuries - his bank catches up with him and he falls on his head.” LRH
(from ‘Clear News 3 (AOLA edition)’, 21 Nov 69, page 1 )








“... Well, now of course there is such a thing as a Dianetic Clear, but it is not a Scientology Clear and the person has not gone Clear until he has been on the Clearing Course in Scientology. ...
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And that is a Dianetic Clear and you move on up the line and you hit a Scientology Clear and actually the type of Clear which you are looking for is a Scientology Clear and not a Dianetic Clear.”
L. Ron Hubbard (from Grand National Convention special lecture “Expanded Grades and Training”, given on 21 Jun 70)




“On the Clearing Course you don't become released from your bank or make a small part vanish–you erase all of it! (from periodical ‘Clear News 73 (AOLA edition)’, [ca Mar/Apr 72], page 4 )




HCOB 24 Sept 78 III “Dianetic Clear” that stated that:
“The state of Clear can be achieved on Dianetics. I have now determined there is no such thing as Keyed-Out Clear. There is only a Dianetic Clear and he is a Clear.”

‘LRH ED 301 Int’, 17 Dec 78 “Ron's Journal 30” reports about ‘Dianetic Clear’
“DIANETIC CLEARS. Undoubtedly the BIG news that resounded around the world in ’78 was the huge numbers of people who were discovered to have made Dianetic Clear. In 1950 and on, people used to ask ‘Where are all the Clears?’ Well, they were right there! In 1978 I discovered that it was deadly to go on running Dianetics on a Dianetic Clear. Such gave the semblance of no case gain! (Naturally.) So when I announced that running Dianetics on a Dianetic Clear was forbidden, people began to look around and lo and behold they had been making Clears with Dianetics and had been going right on by it! The pc who had made it wasn't declared Clear and further Dianetics didn't work on him (naturally). So in 1978, after my announcement, auditors began to check and listen to the pc and found they had real Clears all over the place!”
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(from ‘LRH ED 301 Int’, 17 Dec 78 “Ron's Journal 30, 1978—The Year of Lightning Fast New Tech” )

You see, in 1981 we say: “Scientology Grades do not make Clears, even though they sometimes exteriorize a person” (from HCOB 12 Dec 81 “The Theory of the New Grade Chart” ) and say “Scientology lower grades sometimes exteriorize a person but to date, to my knowledge, have never produced a Clear: That was not their purpose.” ( HCOB 14 Dec 81 “The State of Clear” )

We have not even mentioned the existence of a variety of lectures given by L. Ron Hubbard that also clash with it.





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Now that brings a lot of issues up about clears and Dianetic lears and Scientology clears .

I will now show a chart that was made by another and then a link to HIS site ; actually ALL the above quotes were picked from his site and edited both for brevity and to try to get chronological order .

So please give him credit for HIS work and efforts . Again it is Michel Snoeck

Brief summary of the changes and new approaches: (a) The Dianetic Clear [/TD]
- The state of Clear can be achieved on Dianetics, it is not just a Release. HCOB 24 Sept 78 III “Dianetic Clear” (b) The Scientology Clear [/TD]
- Claiming that a Clear is a Dianetic Clear may implicate that a Scientology Clear may not exist. Confusion concerning what a Scientology Clear actually is as the term continues to be used in references that are considered valid today. [/TD]
HCOB 24 Sept 78 IV (Confidential) “The State of Clear” &
HCOB 29 Nov 78R (Revised 31 Mar 81) “Dianetic Clear Attests”
(c) The ‘Clear Cognition’ - Reintroduction of not running Power etc after having the state of Clear certified.
- Reintroducing the approach that originating that one might be Clear suffices to get it certified.
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[previously in 1970 these were introduced by others, as soon as LRH found out about it it was immediately cancelled and taken out of use]
HCOB 24 Sept 78 III “Dianetic Clear” d) The ‘Keyed-Out Clear’ [/TD]
- There is no such thing as Keyed-Out Clear. HCOB 24 Sept 78 III “Dianetic Clear” (e) The ‘Natural’ Clear - Confirmed to actually exist first in March 1979, after repeated and categorical statements from LRH that there never have existed any Clears. HCOB 5 Mar 79 “Dianetic Clear False Declares”
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SH Spec 75, 6608C16 “Releases and Clears” &
HCO PL 17 Jan 67 “An Open Letter to All Clears”
&
‘Clear News 71 (AOLA edition)’, [ca Jan/Feb 72]
‘Dianetic Clear Special Intensive’ (DCSI) - Introduced and released since May 1979 HCO PL 1 May 79 “Dianetic Clear Special Intensives” &
HCOB 2 May 79 I (Limited Distribution) “Dianetic Clear Special Intensive” &
HCOB 3 May 79 “Dianetic Clear Special Intensive C/S and Auditor Requirements”
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Here is his site which has far more content on this - I do not have the same beliefs he does but found that he collected a lot of relevant info .

http://wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scientology/hubbard_story_of_mayo3a_clear.html

And there are other issues to look at as well , like in one place clears and OTs are said to have NEVER existed in this universe before Scientology and Dianetics and another they are rare but do happen .


Okay contradiction .


In some places clears cannot possibly happen with Dianetics and NEED Scientology processes ( that change and are added to constantly fron about 58 - 66 and ALL are needed to make clears so customers keep PAYING for more training and auditing ! )

To get the alleged results they ALREADY got !

And the methods are contradicting that earlier methods were supposed to make the nebulous state and we bounce from Dianetic clear only being a release by erasing but more being required and then it really being clear again in 78 but how could this be ?


Look , the mind is supposed to bounce back and forth from the mystery of what is Scientology ( never fully explained ) to what is Dianetics ( also not explained ) and not ever see both are just a pack of lies ( fraud ) and by pretending to have two subjects at polar opposites - a fake science and a fake religion or spiritual practice or philosophy or applied religious philosophy he totally paralyzes a mind with confusion and contradiction until you just give up .

You accept the verbosity fallacy ( if it is alot of info it must be true and well researched )

And take it on faith ( appeal to emotion as we want improvement to be possible and attainable )

And shut down and keep down your independent and critical thinking burying the contradiction !





This is why many wander in a blind imbecilic trance for decades - they are enthralled by fascination with this meandering gibberish and mistake confusion with awe at deep profound mystical knowledge !

The closest Hubbard got to that was making people's free will ( in the conscious critical factor ) and money disappear !


By having the contradictory subjects mingle and sometimes SEEM to do the same things and at others SEEM to be quite separate and different he leaves the poor victim not knowing up from down and adopting the stable datum of slavish submission to authority as the solution .

He is also the authority !



Look when a Scientologist has no scientific answer he can say this is a religion and those statements are very offensive and bigoted about my faith to push aside examination critically and when he gets religious queries or doubts he can say we are different because we have a scientific method and results that are validated to show our superiority to other religions .


Great except both are lies !!! Oopsies !


This contradiction on the clear defintions gets tied to the very names of the practices as the goal of dianetics is the clear !


So that carries over to EVERYTHING in the practices as all the terms are in the mental framework or built on the foundation of and in the universes of Dianetics and Scientology .

And Scientology is defined as senior to life and encompassing more than life and knowledge so after a time and heavy indoctrination a Scientologist can see ALL things and concepts within a kind of foggy wobbly haze of not quite right ideas and be constantly looking in anxiety for the deeper meaning or clamoring for clarification that is only " solved " by the euphoria Scientology sells for momentary hypnotic release in the safe submission to an auditor or Hubbard in a tpae or book or course .


He is put in a not quite right deluded state were dissonance buried by denial and dissociation STILL generates unpleasant cognitive distortions and stress even mania and depression but that can be escaped momentarily in the deeper trances Scientology keeps selling .

It creates the discomfort in the unconscious to grow and feed the submission which in turn makes a craving for release and with everything defined in Scientology terms the tech and source are NEVER suspected so the only solution is to become addicted to the deep trances that need total blind submission and cost money , obedience and identity .


Pretty nice of " the greatest friend to mankind " ? Huh .


I have not even got to all the issues relating to contradictions on slear and Scientology and Dianetics because Hubbard INTENTIONALLY was always changing them to keep baffling them with bullshit .

He knew after a time that both repetition and confusion are cumulative forces - in other words you can greatly increase their force by adding more and more to them - like Newtonian gravity .

So he just piled them to the stars .

Incidentally for those who say " hey , David Mayo did all this stuff ! " the timeline looks wrong AND he did not make TAPES and it just does not cover a fraction of the issues .

Additionally stuff that Hubbardians blame Mayo for remained unchanged in doctrine LONG after Mayo was excomunicated - like DECADES .

So I call bullshit on that as well .

With the no results and bad results and knowledge on rhetoric , loaded language , thought stopping and channeling and projection and denial , the confusion method and repetition and the double bind and trance logic the only plasible explanation is pure fraud .


The vast , vast growing mountain - no PLANET of evidence supports ALL Hubbard " tech " as pure garbage
and there is not one scintilla of a wisp of proof of any kind of scientific nature to redeem and vindicate either Hubbard or his lies .


Please add any relevant info you know to support or refute this - I have far less auditor training than some BUT you can see I am not afraid to do research .




My link at the bottom has a revised list of earlier threads to read to get all the background info on this .
 
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Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
Those of us here (very few) who lived through this time period and who were on staff and auditing people through their supposed
"Clear Checks" at this time all knew that there was something wrong with what was going on. But we gave LRH the benefit of the doubt and carried on with it, even though we knew in our hearts that many guys we were declaring clear were still totally not-clear.

It was only much later that the reason for this insanity came out: One of Hubbard's own statistics was always "number of Clears made" and his stats had been heavily downtrending for quite a few years. This was of course TOTALLY unacceptable to him and so with a wave of the hand he realised it was not that no Clears were being made but that we were all too thick to realise that we had indeed been making thousands and thousands of them of them and were not recognising the power of the tech!

Voila! Hubbard's stats were
UP in a big way.

And that is all there was to that.

On the other hand, there most certainly is a state which can be achieved through Scientology - I have written about this before on this board - which is life-changing for the person and which they describe as being Clear. What that state is exactly I don't know but I have seen it too often to doubt its reality.

So while the definitions for it may vary the fact of it remains very very real.
 

strativarius

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

Leon, I've found that there's been precious little you have written on this mb that I can agree with you on, but this has really hit the spot.


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It was only much later that the reason for this insanity came out: One of Hubbard's own statistics was always "number of Clears made" and his stats had been heavily downtrending for quite a few years. This was of course TOTALLY unacceptable to him and so with a wave of the hand he realised it was not that no Clears were being made but that we were all too thick to realise that we had indeed been making thousands and thousands of them of them and were not recognising the power of the tech!
Voila! Hubbard's stats were
UP in a big way.

And that is all there was to that.
And then you have to go and spoil it all...

On the other hand, there most certainly is a state which can be achieved through Scientology - I have written about this before on this board - which is life-changing for the person and which they describe as being Clear. What that state is exactly I don't know but I have seen it too often to doubt its reality.

So while the definitions for it may vary the fact of it remains very very real.
Doh!
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Those of us here (very few) who lived through this time period and who were on staff and auditing people through their supposed
"Clear Checks" at this time all knew that there was something wrong with what was going on. But we gave LRH the benefit of the doubt and carried on with it, even though we knew in our hearts that many guys we were declaring clear were still totally not-clear.

It was only much later that the reason for this insanity came out: One of Hubbard's own statistics was always "number of Clears made" and his stats had been heavily downtrending for quite a few years. This was of course TOTALLY unacceptable to him and so with a wave of the hand he realised it was not that no Clears were being made but that we were all too thick to realise that we had indeed been making thousands and thousands of them of them and were not recognising the power of the tech!

Voila! Hubbard's stats were
UP in a big way.

And that is all there was to that.

On the other hand, there most certainly is a state which can be achieved through Scientology - I have written about this before on this board - which is life-changing for the person and which they describe as being Clear. What that state is exactly I don't know but I have seen it too often to doubt its reality.

So while the definitions for it may vary the fact of it remains very very real.

So real that you can't define it? That you can't even describe it in detail? Your statement on this is not based upon reality.It's based upon an illusion you have yet to figure out how to define and codify. It's like someone having a 'cognition' in session and having no idea how the fu*k to describe it and by the time the person has sufficiently chewed over what it all could mean, it's gone.
 

RogerB

Crusader
Those of us here (very few) who lived through this time period and who were on staff and auditing people through their supposed
"Clear Checks" at this time all knew that there was something wrong with what was going on. But we gave LRH the benefit of the doubt and carried on with it, even though we knew in our hearts that many guys we were declaring clear were still totally not-clear.

It was only much later that the reason for this insanity came out: One of Hubbard's own statistics was always "number of Clears made" and his stats had been heavily downtrending for quite a few years. This was of course TOTALLY unacceptable to him and so with a wave of the hand he realised it was not that no Clears were being made but that we were all too thick to realise that we had indeed been making thousands and thousands of them of them and were not recognising the power of the tech!

Voila! Hubbard's stats were
UP in a big way.

And that is all there was to that.

On the other hand, there most certainly is a state which can be achieved through Scientology - I have written about this before on this board - which is life-changing for the person and which they describe as being Clear. What that state is exactly I don't know but I have seen it too often to doubt its reality.

So while the definitions for it may vary the fact of it remains very very real.


Actually, this is all quite good; particularly the last part.

Alan very succinctly remarked regarding the purported state of Clear: Clear of WHAT?!?

And therein lays the rub . . . something does happen, change does happen . . . and for many it is viewed as beneficial change . . . but Hubbard's proposition of what it is, is shoddy misrepresentation cum "research" if not downright deceit.

I personally think Hubbs was guilty of deceit, misrepresentation of what he was doing and who he was; and bad and incompetent "research" while at the same time tapping into something that humanity had for a long time wanted to find out about . . . and therein lay the source of the power and the trap that ensnared so many.
 

Veda

Sponsor
One thing that Scientology does not like is to be described in detail.

It would much prefer that people, after having been involved with Scientology - and having had their money, their hard work and, sometimes, their children, taken by Scientology - just dismiss it as "garbage" (or similar expression) and leave it at that.

And simply dismissing Scientology as "garbage" (etc.) is fine for some people but, fortunately, others have taken the time to DESCRIBE Scientology in greater detail.

Such detailed descriptions have a long history of being helpful to many people.


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It's kind of like telling someone whose fingers are stuck in a Chinese finger puzzle that the Chinese finger puzzle is "garbage." The person's fingers are still stuck. A little more detail and explanation is needed for him or her to understand what's happened and extricate his or her fingers from the puzzle.


(Of course, sadly, some are beyond being helped.
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The last thing Scientology wants :ohmy: is for a bunch of people, freely, to be DESCRIBING, in detail - each from his or her perspective - Scientology.


Those of us here (very few) who lived through this time period and who were on staff and auditing people through their supposed
"Clear Checks" at this time all knew that there was something wrong with what was going on. But we gave LRH the benefit of the doubt and carried on with it, even though we knew in our hearts that many guys we were declaring clear were still totally not-clear.

It was only much later that the reason for this insanity came out: One of Hubbard's own statistics was always "number of Clears made" and his stats had been heavily downtrending for quite a few years. This was of course TOTALLY unacceptable to him and so with a wave of the hand he realised it was not that no Clears were being made but that we were all too thick to realise that we had indeed been making thousands and thousands of them of them and were not recognising the power of the tech!

Voila! Hubbard's stats were
UP in a big way.

And that is all there was to that.

On the other hand, there most certainly is a state which can be achieved through Scientology - I have written about this before on this board - which is life-changing for the person and which they describe as being Clear. What that state is exactly I don't know but I have seen it too often to doubt its reality.

So while the definitions for it may vary the fact of it remains very very real.


Good for you, Leon, for being able to face up to the uncomfortable truth that Hubbard modified "auditing tech" for self serving reasons.

You have a ways to go, but you're making progress. (No doubt Leon will be delighted to receive my validation. :biggrin:)


:) Anyway, I quickly pieced together two old posts from years ago, and it's a little sloppy, but has some information, IMO, that's relevant to this thread:




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If Hubbard had stopped rearranging the mental furniture (for Scientologists) around the time that this photo was taken, and consolidated what he had done up to that point, his personal psychological-political operation and fan club might be doing better these days. He already had a nicely "workable" mental-healing-coated&infused mind-control and personality-cult running fairly smoothly.


Hubbard's explanations and instructions re. Clear, and Dianetic Clear, etc., are a loose-ended mish-mosh - tall tales, seemingly sensible technical data, quasi-hypnotic mind-games, hype, and (to paraphrase David Mayo) "marketing and PR motivated considerations."

Having - long ago and far away - "made Clears" as an auditor, and having acknowledged "Clears," I recognize that, when a person is in an environment where "Clear" is given great significance and importance, that, after a person sincerely feels he has attained this state, to not acknowledge it can be upsetting to the person.

Yet, it always seemed odd that most Clears were so fragile in this way, and yet, in as much as the "state" itself, and the word, and its significance and importance, were something that was given to the person (in a sense, placing the person at effect), that fragility is not surprising.

I do think that sometimes a state of being can occur or be attained which, if one wanted to use the term, could be described as "Clear," but it's just a feather in one's cap - to use a figure of speech - to give it a name, and then there's the issue of the PR and marketing reasons for "Clear" being a noun (thing), rather than a verb as in "Clearing" (action).

Apparently, nouns sell better than verbs.

It was during the "Dianetic Clear frenzy" of '78&79, when I first noticed the "hypnotic" power that Hubbard's pronouncements had over Scientologists. That hypnotic power had existed earlier, but somehow I had managed to avoid noticing it in a direct and undeniable fashion.

So, IMO, "Clear" is a mixed bag, but, for Scientologists, will always have a strong hypnotic over-lay. Scientologists are the effect of Hubbard and Scientology when they decide they are Clear, and there's no escaping that, except by being happily unaware if it, as are the Freezone Scientologists and Independent Scientologists and, for that matter, CofS Scientologists.



Some background. Of course, there's more:


In 1978, Hubbard decided that "keyed out Clear is Clear," and that Dianetic Clears should not do PP, R6ew, and CC.

In 1970, Hubbard had written of Dianetic Clear:

"Only about 2 percent actually go clear on Dianetics. A Dianetic Clear as any other Dianetic PC now goes up through the Grades of Scientology and on to the proper Clearing Course. The Dianetic Clear of Book 1 was clear of somatics. The Book 1 definition is correct. This is the end phenomena of Dianetics as per the Classification Chart and Book 1."

A Clear of somatics Clear!

And don't forget those (actual) GPM Clears, with "one GPM Clears" and "two GPM Clears" and "three GPM Clears," and, I think, Hubbard was supposed to have made "5 GPM Clear."

And then - if I recall correctly - there was the lecture, 'The Story of Dianetics of Scientology', where Hubbard stated that he had made the first Dianetic Clears in 1947, and that these were Theta Clears. At the time of that lecture, Book 1 Clears were not regarded as being as Clear as the Clears then being produced. They were said to have been Theta Clears (stably outside the body), but later became (1970) Somatic Clears, but then with keyed out Clear being redefined as Clear (1978), and hundreds of Scientologists deciding they had "gone Dianetic Clear in 1947 after having been audited by Ron," and going "up lines" with checkbooks in hand, they became acceptable as Clears somehow...

And it goes on and on...

Hubbard left Scientologists with a whole lot of loose-ends, each tightly shrink-wrapped in cellophane as "LRH datums."

This can become perplexing to them, IF they omit the rest of the "Tech" left to them by Hubbard. It's really the senior Tech of Scientology, and can be found in this booklet.

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And it overrides all the loose-ends, leaving a Scientologist with a contented sense of total certainty.

Turns out that the loose-ends are just a medium, used as a means to an end. Hubbard's system of mental-healing only needs to "work" up to a point, since it was only a front and a medium, or means, for something else.

That something else was inadvertently revealed in his 1938 'Excalibur' letter and in his 1946 'Affirmations':

"I have high hopes of smashing my name into history... [so] that it will take a legendary form... That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned."

"Your psychology is advanced and true and wonderful. It hypnotizes people. It predicts their emotions, for you are their ruler."

What's happened is that part of the Tech has been "dropped out," as a result of people leaving organized Scientology and wandering off into into the "wog" world. Some manage to hold onto their certainty, and their identity as Scientologists, for a long time, despite having wandered off the reservation, so to speak; yet, others quickly snap out of the Scio-trance.


From the 1991 article by David Mayo:

"It was PR and marketing considerations that led Hubbard to decide that certain people were 'clear' at a certain point..."

Hubbard was doing a major money-getting operation in the late 1970s - even more intense than his early money-getting operation - so as to build a war chest for his own defense, and for the establishment and preservation of his monuments to himself projects, and "discovering" that there were oodles and oodles of Dianetic Clears, who needed to exit Missions, and "get up lines" (where Hubbard had immediate access to the money) was certainly convenient.

So he made some more discoveries, and these quickly became facts in the minds of Scientologists.


_________________________


Number of Clears


Here are the stats on numbers of Clears from 1965 to 1978. Reference, which appears to be accurate in this case, is the first (1978) edition of 'What is Scientology?'. To ascertain the number of Clears for a given year, subtract the above number from the below number.:

1966: 172

1967: 725

1968: 1661

1969: 2879

1970: 3248

1971: 3665

1972: 4028

1973: 4574

1974: 5167

1975: 5716

1976: 6312

1977: 6601

1978: 6879

So, in 1968, 726 Clears were certified. In 1969, 1,218 Clears were verified. And in 1973, 546 Clears were certified. And in 1978, 278 Clears were certified.

Here's a snapshot of a little bit of 1977:

In January, LRH delighted Scientologists by telling them that "OT VIII has been in existence all these years," and there are "a very large number of OT grades" above OT VIII. Things became slightly more somber in February 1977 when the Commodore presented Scientologists with the HCOB 'Jokers and Degraders', followed by the March 1977 HCOB, 'The Gambler'.

Here's a rare photo of LRH doing research into gambling:

michael-douglas3.jpg

In May, 'LSD, Years after they have come off of', introduced the "Sweat program," which required wearing a rubber suit and running around.

The formal "Sweat program" was further described in the HCOB 'LSD and the Sweat program' of February 1978.

From 'LSD, Years after they have "come off of" LSD':

"Apparently they have become some sort of vegetable or zombie to a greater or lesser degree." Hubbard was describing what were often the most productive and creative people in Scientology (who had experimented with LSD before Scientology) as "vegetables or zombies to a greater or lesser degree." That reduced enthusiasm slightly.

Eventually, the "Sweat Program" became the more marketable "Purification Rundown," with the "Purif" meant for everyone.

Remember the hype for the Purif? "Only Scientologists who've done the Purif will survive World War III."

It was promoted along with the book, 'All About Radiation', which was "written by a nuclear physicist and a medical doctor," with Hubbard being the nuclear physicist.

Then came 1979, and (sometimes perplexed but nonetheless) VVVGIs Scientologists were attesting to Dianetic Clear by the busload, and rushing to Flag to start NOTs, which would remove the final barrier to full OT, just as OT 3 had done, and just as the old Clearing Course had done...


:yes:
 

Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
If one wants to discuss Scientology and how auditing works and so on that one must must must as a first step get off the idea that the scientific method is the be-all and end-all of universal reasoning.

There are two (or three) distinctly different methods in use among people and they are mutually repellent towards each other. Neither one allows the other any validity at all.

One method is derived from the cycle of action in a time-stream (i.e. DO in the Be, Do, Have sequence) and is the basis of all "logical, rational, scientific" reasoning.

The other is derived from a full understanding of Havingness and is thus obviously derived therefrom. It is neither time-bound nor sequential. It is associative, metaphorical, intuitive. One knows by directly knowing, and not by finding out about.

For people - (present company here, ahem) - who are thoroughly indoctrinated into the western scientific panjandram - the ability to grant any consideration to this method of thought stands at NIL on any scale of abilities.


So if you are able to see beyond that then discussion is possible.
 

WildKat

Gold Meritorious Patron
If one wants to discuss Scientology and how auditing works and so on that one must must must as a first step get off the idea that the scientific method is the be-all and end-all of universal reasoning.

There are two (or three) distinctly different methods in use among people and they are mutually repellent towards each other. Neither one allows the other any validity at all.

One method is derived from the cycle of action in a time-stream (i.e. DO in the Be, Do, Have sequence) and is the basis of all "logical, rational, scientific" reasoning.

The other is derived from a full understanding of Havingness and is thus obviously derived therefrom. It is neither time-bound nor sequential. It is associative, metaphorical, intuitive. One knows by directly knowing, and not by finding out about.

For people - (present company here, ahem) - who are thoroughly indoctrinated into the western scientific panjandram - the ability to grant any consideration to this method of thought stands at NIL on any scale of abilities.

So if you are able to see beyond that then discussion is possible.

Oh, I see. It's a contest between logic and magical thinking!

We'll in your magical world, Leon-2, I guess anything can be true, just like the Hubs said! Good for you!:duh:
 

Udarnik

Gold Meritorious Patron
One thing that Scientology does not like is to be described in detail.

It would much prefer that people, after having been involved with Scientology - and having had their money, their hard work and, sometimes, their children, taken by Scientology - just dismiss it as "garbage" (or similar expression) and leave it at that.

And simply dismissing Scientology as "garbage" (etc.) is fine for some people but, fortunately, others have taken the time to DESCRIBE Scientology in greater detail.

Such detailed descriptions have a long history of being helpful to many people.


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It's kind of like telling someone whose fingers are stuck in a Chinese finger puzzle that the Chinese finger puzzle is "garbage." The person's fingers are still stuck. A little more detail and explanation is needed for him or her to understand what's happened and extricate his or her fingers from the puzzle.


(Of course, sadly, some are beyond being helped.
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)


The last thing Scientology wants :ohmy: is for a bunch of people, freely, to be DESCRIBING, in detail - each from his or her perspective - Scientology.





Good for you, Leon, for being able to face up to the uncomfortable truth that Hubbard modified "auditing tech" for self serving reasons.

You have a ways to go, but you're making progress. (No doubt Leon will be delighted to receive my validation. :biggrin:)


:) Anyway, I quickly pieced together two old posts from years ago, and it's a little sloppy, but has some information, IMO, that's relevant to this thread:




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If Hubbard had stopped rearranging the mental furniture (for Scientologists) around the time that this photo was taken, and consolidated what he had done up to that point, his personal psychological-political operation and fan club might be doing better these days. He already had a nicely "workable" mental-healing-coated&infused mind-control and personality-cult running fairly smoothly.


Hubbard's explanations and instructions re. Clear, and Dianetic Clear, etc., are a loose-ended mish-mosh - tall tales, seemingly sensible technical data, quasi-hypnotic mind-games, hype, and (to paraphrase David Mayo) "marketing and PR motivated considerations."

Having - long ago and far away - "made Clears" as an auditor, and having acknowledged "Clears," I recognize that, when a person is in an environment where "Clear" is given great significance and importance, that, after a person sincerely feels he has attained this state, to not acknowledge it can be upsetting to the person.

Yet, it always seemed odd that most Clears were so fragile in this way, and yet, in as much as the "state" itself, and the word, and its significance and importance, were something that was given to the person (in a sense, placing the person at effect), that fragility is not surprising.

I do think that sometimes a state of being can occur or be attained which, if one wanted to use the term, could be described as "Clear," but it's just a feather in one's cap - to use a figure of speech - to give it a name, and then there's the issue of the PR and marketing reasons for "Clear" being a noun (thing), rather than a verb as in "Clearing" (action).

Apparently, nouns sell better than verbs.

It was during the "Dianetic Clear frenzy" of '78&79, when I first noticed the "hypnotic" power that Hubbard's pronouncements had over Scientologists. That hypnotic power had existed earlier, but somehow I had managed to avoid noticing it in a direct and undeniable fashion.

So, IMO, "Clear" is a mixed bag, but, for Scientologists, will always have a strong hypnotic over-lay. Scientologists are the effect of Hubbard and Scientology when they decide they are Clear, and there's no escaping that, except by being happily unaware if it, as are the Freezone Scientologists and Independent Scientologists and, for that matter, CofS Scientologists.



Some background. Of course, there's more:


In 1978, Hubbard decided that "keyed out Clear is Clear," and that Dianetic Clears should not do PP, R6ew, and CC.

In 1970, Hubbard had written of Dianetic Clear:

"Only about 2 percent actually go clear on Dianetics. A Dianetic Clear as any other Dianetic PC now goes up through the Grades of Scientology and on to the proper Clearing Course. The Dianetic Clear of Book 1 was clear of somatics. The Book 1 definition is correct. This is the end phenomena of Dianetics as per the Classification Chart and Book 1."

A Clear of somatics Clear!

And don't forget those (actual) GPM Clears, with "one GPM Clears" and "two GPM Clears" and "three GPM Clears," and, I think, Hubbard was supposed to have made "5 GPM Clear."

And then - if I recall correctly - there was the lecture, 'The Story of Dianetics of Scientology', where Hubbard stated that he had made the first Dianetic Clears in 1947, and that these were Theta Clears. At the time of that lecture, Book 1 Clears were not regarded as being as Clear as the Clears then being produced. They were said to have been Theta Clears (stably outside the body), but later became (1970) Somatic Clears, but then with keyed out Clear being redefined as Clear (1978), and hundreds of Scientologists deciding they had "gone Dianetic Clear in 1947 after having been audited by Ron," and going "up lines" with checkbooks in hand, they became acceptable as Clears somehow...

And it goes on and on...

Hubbard left Scientologists with a whole lot of loose-ends, each tightly shrink-wrapped in cellophane as "LRH datums."

This can become perplexing to them, IF they omit the rest of the "Tech" left to them by Hubbard. It's really the senior Tech of Scientology, and can be found in this booklet.

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And it overrides all the loose-ends, leaving a Scientologist with a contented sense of total certainty.

Turns out that the loose-ends are just a medium, used as a means to an end. Hubbard's system of mental-healing only needs to "work" up to a point, since it was only a front and a medium, or means, for something else.

That something else was inadvertently revealed in his 1938 'Excalibur' letter and in his 1946 'Affirmations':

"I have high hopes of smashing my name into history... [so] that it will take a legendary form... That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned."

"Your psychology is advanced and true and wonderful. It hypnotizes people. It predicts their emotions, for you are their ruler."

What's happened is that part of the Tech has been "dropped out," as a result of people leaving organized Scientology and wandering off into into the "wog" world. Some manage to hold onto their certainty, and their identity as Scientologists, for a long time, despite having wandered off the reservation, so to speak; yet, others quickly snap out of the Scio-trance.


From the 1991 article by David Mayo:

"It was PR and marketing considerations that led Hubbard to decide that certain people were 'clear' at a certain point..."

Hubbard was doing a major money-getting operation in the late 1970s - even more intense than his early money-getting operation - so as to build a war chest for his own defense, and for the establishment and preservation of his monuments to himself projects, and "discovering" that there were oodles and oodles of Dianetic Clears, who needed to exit Missions, and "get up lines" (where Hubbard had immediate access to the money) was certainly convenient.

So he made some more discoveries, and these quickly became facts in the minds of Scientologists.


_________________________


Number of Clears


Here are the stats on numbers of Clears from 1965 to 1978. Reference, which appears to be accurate in this case, is the first (1978) edition of 'What is Scientology?'. To ascertain the number of Clears for a given year, subtract the above number from the below number.:

1966: 172

1967: 725

1968: 1661

1969: 2879

1970: 3248

1971: 3665

1972: 4028

1973: 4574

1974: 5167

1975: 5716

1976: 6312

1977: 6601

1978: 6879

So, in 1968, 726 Clears were certified. In 1969, 1,218 Clears were verified. And in 1973, 546 Clears were certified. And in 1978, 278 Clears were certified.

Here's a snapshot of a little bit of 1977:

In January, LRH delighted Scientologists by telling them that "OT VIII has been in existence all these years," and there are "a very large number of OT grades" above OT VIII. Things became slightly more somber in February 1977 when the Commodore presented Scientologists with the HCOB 'Jokers and Degraders', followed by the March 1977 HCOB, 'The Gambler'.

Here's a rare photo of LRH doing research into gambling:

michael-douglas3.jpg

In May, 'LSD, Years after they have come off of', introduced the "Sweat program," which required wearing a rubber suit and running around.

The formal "Sweat program" was further described in the HCOB 'LSD and the Sweat program' of February 1978.

From 'LSD, Years after they have "come off of" LSD':

"Apparently they have become some sort of vegetable or zombie to a greater or lesser degree." Hubbard was describing what were often the most productive and creative people in Scientology (who had experimented with LSD before Scientology) as "vegetables or zombies to a greater or lesser degree." That reduced enthusiasm slightly.

Eventually, the "Sweat Program" became the more marketable "Purification Rundown," with the "Purif" meant for everyone.

Remember the hype for the Purif? "Only Scientologists who've done the Purif will survive World War III."

It was promoted along with the book, 'All About Radiation', which was "written by a nuclear physicist and a medical doctor," with Hubbard being the nuclear physicist.

Then came 1979, and (sometimes perplexed but nonetheless) VVVGIs Scientologists were attesting to Dianetic Clear by the busload, and rushing to Flag to start NOTs, which would remove the final barrier to full OT, just as OT 3 had done, and just as the old Clearing Course had done...


:yes:


The fascination and the danger of $cientology for me as a never-in is not that it's garbage. That's far too simplistic an analysis. I've said before that I think Hubbard was a genius, in his own way, at manipulating people. He achieved a con that made him, in all likelihood, tens to hundreds of millions of dollars. The con has outlived the con man by nearly 30 years. Looking at the edifice with no moral filter, a con like that is a thing of genius, without a doubt.

There is a core of garbage at the center, of course, but it is wrapped in such a creative, in some ways even beautiful, artifice and monument to the art of getting human beings to deceive themselves. It stands as the quintessential warning against fuzzy thinking and the perils of creating hypotheses that are non-testable. The OP illustrates a masterpiece in the delusional cloaking known in formal logic as moving the goalposts. You can actually see Laffy anticipating the disillusionment of his dupes and forging the rod upon which he will tie the carrot and affix to the minds of his marks.

Finding the exact processes in $cientology that produce those good - but completely manufactured internal to the mind of the mark - feelings - THAT is worth describing in detail, because it serves as an object lesson to every human being . We all should be confronting the ways in which we delude ourselves and in which others delude us. That will make for a saner, safer, and more compassionate world. That is why I continue to study the mechanics of the Co$ long after I came to the conclusion that the states of Clear and OT were, indeed, made-up garbage.
 

Gib

Crusader
Those of us here (very few) who lived through this time period and who were on staff and auditing people through their supposed
"Clear Checks" at this time all knew that there was something wrong with what was going on. But we gave LRH the benefit of the doubt and carried on with it, even though we knew in our hearts that many guys we were declaring clear were still totally not-clear.

It was only much later that the reason for this insanity came out: One of Hubbard's own statistics was always "number of Clears made" and his stats had been heavily downtrending for quite a few years. This was of course TOTALLY unacceptable to him and so with a wave of the hand he realised it was not that no Clears were being made but that we were all too thick to realise that we had indeed been making thousands and thousands of them of them and were not recognising the power of the tech!

Voila! Hubbard's stats were
UP in a big way.

And that is all there was to that.

On the other hand, there most certainly is a state which can be achieved through Scientology - I have written about this before on this board - which is life-changing for the person and which they describe as being Clear. What that state is exactly I don't know but I have seen it too often to doubt its reality.

So while the definitions for it may vary the fact of it remains very very real.

I appreciate this Leon.

I don't think it's a state, I think it is simply the individual being self determined.

Hubbard actually said that in a lecture while I was on the Basics Courses routine that all present time scientologists are supposed to do, this was in the middle of the year 2011 when I listened to the lecture and my eyes opened a bit at the time. This was before the Deb Cook email I received in Jan 2012.

Hubbard basically said "clear" should be defined as self determined. I can find the lecture.

Take away all of Hubbard's rhetoric and SUBLIME Writing about the state and it's so called abilities, and it makes sense. Just a person who is going after goals without other influence.

Even Hubbard said, I read somewhere, that he thought he went clear on objectives, but, hey, he read too many success stories of deluded members. :laugh:

He ended up believing his own BS rhetorical and sublime writing.
 
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Veda

Sponsor
I appreciate this Leon.

I don't think it's a state, I think it is simply the individual being self determined.

Hubbard actually said that in a lecture while I was on the Basics Courses routine that all present time scientologists are supposed to do, this was in the middle of the year 2011 when I listened to the lecture and my eyes opened a bit at the time. This was before the Deb Cook email I received in Jan 2012.

Hubbard basically said "clear" should be defined as self determined. I can find the lecture.

Take away all of Hubbard's rhetoric and SUBLIME Writing about the state and it's so called abilities, and it makes sense. Just a person who is going after goals without other influence.

Even Hubbard said, I read somewhere, that he thought he went clear on objectives, but, hey, he read too many success stories of deluded members. :laugh:

He ended up believing his own BS rhetorical and sublime writing.

Hubbard soon changed his mind about "going Clear" on objectives and announced that people only "go Clear" on the "Clearing Course" or Dianetics.

For a while some Scientologists, noticing the hundreds of Scientologists attesting to "Clear" by way of having been "audited on Dianetics by Ron in 1947" - just as Ron had said in a recorded lecture - had decided that they'd "gone Clear" as disciples of Buddha, and this was OK, they thought, since Hubbard had been Buddha, right?

When Hubbard got wind of this he quickly shot it down, "people do not go Clear on garbage eating," he wrote, expressing contempt for the Buddhist monks with begging bowls that some Scientologists had thought they had been.

The poor Scientologists. It's not easy being a Scientologist and being at the mercy of the whims of "Source."


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Ho Tai

Patron Meritorious
If one wants to discuss Scientology and how auditing works and so on that one must must must as a first step get off the idea that the scientific method is the be-all and end-all of universal reasoning.

There are two (or three) distinctly different methods in use among people and they are mutually repellent towards each other. Neither one allows the other any validity at all.

One method is derived from the cycle of action in a time-stream (i.e. DO in the Be, Do, Have sequence) and is the basis of all "logical, rational, scientific" reasoning.

The other is derived from a full understanding of Havingness and is thus obviously derived therefrom. It is neither time-bound nor sequential. It is associative, metaphorical, intuitive. One knows by directly knowing, and not by finding out about.

For people - (present company here, ahem) - who are thoroughly indoctrinated into the western scientific panjandram - the ability to grant any consideration to this method of thought stands at NIL on any scale of abilities.


So if you are able to see beyond that then discussion is possible.
Well, I guess I have been put in my place and that place is not worthy of this discussion. Who needs the scientific method when you have this other stuff? Why try to understand or explain when you can just, you know, KNOW it?
 

Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
contemplate for a moment what CLEAR as a command might do to person in trance

It would get rid of mice as well as anything else - like family ties, loved ones, bank accounts, old friends...

Ralp-Slater-Hypnosis-1950.jpg


"From 80 to 90% of the population can be hypnotized to varying degrees...At least 5% (10,000,000) of the U.S. population is extraordinarily hypnotizable, so easily hypnotizable that they are in a constant state of exaggerated suggestibility, even when awake and going about their normal daily routine. They are at the total mercy of all forms of influences and can easily be persuaded to do things and afterward have no idea why they did them..." Dr. Tobias H. Brocher, Director, Center for Applied Behavioral Sciences, Menninger Foundation, Topeka, KS.
 

Gib

Crusader
contemplate for a moment what CLEAR as a command might do to person in trance

It would get rid of mice as well as anything else - like family ties, loved ones, bank accounts, old friends...

Ralp-Slater-Hypnosis-1950.jpg


"From 80 to 90% of the population can be hypnotized to varying degrees...At least 5% (10,000,000) of the U.S. population is extraordinarily hypnotizable, so easily hypnotizable that they are in a constant state of exaggerated suggestibility, even when awake and going about their normal daily routine. They are at the total mercy of all forms of influences and can easily be persuaded to do things and afterward have no idea why they did them..." Dr. Tobias H. Brocher, Director, Center for Applied Behavioral Sciences, Menninger Foundation, Topeka, KS.

There is one problem with this Arnie.

I read the book Dianetics, and I called the org saying I wanted to go clear.And I scheduled an appointment for a free diaenetics auditing sessions, which I got.

Point being I was not audited before I read the book Dianetics.

I was persuaded by reading that book, and somehow was persuaded to go "clear"

Books make booms, especially when you charge a lot. Unknown to me at the time.
 
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Leland

Crusader
Hubbard soon changed his mind about "going Clear" on objectives and announced that people only "go Clear" on the "Clearing Course" or Dianetics.

For a while some Scientologists, noticing the hundreds of Scientologists attesting to "Clear" by way of having been "audited on Dianetics by Ron in 1947" - just as Ron had said in a recorded lecture - had decided that they'd "gone Clear" as disciples of Buddha, and this was OK, they thought, since Hubbard had been Buddha, right?

When Hubbard got wind of this he quickly shot it down, "people do not go Clear on garbage eating," he wrote, expressing contempt for the Buddhist monks with begging bowls that some Scientologists had thought they had been.

The poor Scientologists. It's not easy being a Scientologist and being at the mercy of the whims of "Source."




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Thank you Veda. IT is confusing. LRH changed the "bridge" time and time again...and again and again...again and now DB has changed it a few time also.....

LRH released the "Clearing Congress" taped lectures in 1958......with Objectives sold as a route to clearing....or sold AS a Clearing Proceedure.

I'm not sure at what point LRH said one could NOT go clear on Dianetics.....or later Expanded Dianetics. (Expanded Dianetics was later completely dropped as a service.)

Then as you say.....LRH changed his mind about going clear with Objectives.

The "Clearing Course" where LRH said there was a "bank" or "implant of words"....that one needed to actually "solo audit" to go clear was released I believe in 1964.

Then later....this was reversed....as "Dianetic Clear" and "Natural Clear" and "Past life Clear" were OKed.....(correct me if I'm wrong here...)

I believe this latter "Dianetic Clear" was OKed around 1978 or so? (then one didn't have to do the clearing course....)

David Mayo was Senior C/S Int at this time....and also changed the "bridge line up" too.

I think that the "Bank" of "implanted words" that one has to solo audit is actually part of the "OTIII implant." But is not delivered as such....OT III is different.

Anyway....just some info...for those that did it....and are now out.

From the very beginning....those that participated in Dianetics and Scamology....were all guinea pigs....so to speak...

Gib....that was one aspect of why some many of us hung on for so many years......waiting and waiting for the Cult to "get it right".....and of course, saving the money to do the latest....

Of course the entire Bridge was changed again...just last year, by David Miscavige.

Edited: Just for clarity...the "Clearing Congress" and "Clearing Course" are in no way related...and are entirely different things.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
contemplate for a moment what CLEAR as a command might do to person in trance

It would get rid of mice as well as anything else - like family ties, loved ones, bank accounts, old friends...




:biggrin:

And ... cult associates, post requirements, anything recently (or not so recently) studied, training routines (TR's), place of residence, that guy that looks like a giant toad and any degree of cultic worship we had going on with him, name, DOB, tone scale tehk ...


:omg:

 

Gib

Crusader
Thank you Veda. IT is confusing. LRH changed the "bridge" time and time again...and again and again...again and now DB has changed it a few time also.....

LRH released the "Clearing Congress" taped lectures in 1958......with Objectives sold as a route to clearing....or sold AS a Clearing Proceedure.

I'm not sure at what point LRH said one could NOT go clear on Dianetics.....or later Expanded Dianetics. (Expanded Dianetics was later completely dropped as a service.)

Then as you say.....LRH changed his mind about going clear with Objectives.

The "Clearing Course" where LRH said there was a "bank" or "implant of words"....that one needed to actually "solo audit" to go clear was released I believe in 1964.

Then later....this was reversed....as "Dianetic Clear" and "Natural Clear" and "Past life Clear" were OKed.....(correct me if I'm wrong here...)

I believe this latter "Dianetic Clear" was OKed around 1978 or so? (then one didn't have to do the clearing course....)

David Mayo was Senior C/S Int at this time....and also changed the "bridge line up" too.

I think that the "Bank" of "implanted words" that one has to solo audit is actually part of the "OTIII implant." But is not delivered as such....OT III is different.

Anyway....just some info...for those that did it....and are now out.

From the very beginning....those that participated in Dianetics and Scamology....were all guinea pigs....so to speak...

Gib....that was one aspect of why some many of us hung on for so many years......waiting and waiting for the Cult to "get it right".....and of course, saving the money to do the latest....

Of course the entire Bridge was changed again...just last year, by David Miscavige.

Edited: Just for clarity...the "Clearing Congress" and "Clearing Course" are in no way related...and are entirely different things.

LOL

There's lot's of money in lectures.

not so much money in a one shot clear. LOL

Man's greatest friend, ok? LOL
 

Leland

Crusader
LOL

There's lot's of money in lectures.

not so much money in a one shot clear. LOL

Man's greatest friend, ok? LOL

Yea....

That his original "ideal" of "clear" 28 ( more or less ) years later actually evolved into and then comes out of OT III.....is not grasped by all IMO.

And that OT III is actually continued until the end of OT 7.....Means that the entirety of the "upper" bridge is all OT III stuff.....and that IMO is a fantasy...and false.
 
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