flashgordon
Patron with Honors
I think that is on the lower levels.
The Courage of Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder
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I think that is on the lower levels.
ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn
Crusader
Okay how about searching for the hundreds of thousands of Xenu's imaginary disembodied space aliens that are running around in their heads?
flashgordon
Patron with Honors
How is that a demostration of OT abilities?
flashgordon
Patron with Honors
Let me just say this. It's not about getting OT abilities it's about reclaiming them.
Sorta of like if you lose your memory and you get it back.
Sorta of like if you lose your memory and you get it back.
ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn
Crusader
It Sorta of like looking for the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus ... no it's exactly like looking for the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus. Scientology has never even remotely come close to producing an OT and that will never change no matter how long people indulged in Hubbard con game. Scientology has nothing to do with OT powers or spirituality, it's just a hypnotic circle jerk.
Mystic
Crusader
Is definitely a demonstration of so-called "OT abilities". There certainly are no other "abilities" an "OT" has except to give money to some scifaggOT scam.
Mystic
Crusader
And now that you've said it, stuff it. It isn't about "reclaiming" at all. What a bunch of Hubbard contamination.
riptide
Patron with Honors
re: Marty bashing
I personally have thanked Marty because he helped other people that I care about, to stop and really consider the real actions of the cult, vs the PR line they put out. As a result, at least 4 people left organized corporate $cientology.
The rest of you folks who are inclined to roast him in the court of public opinion, sorry I'm not inclined to pile on the guy, or Rinder for that matter.
I was in for 30 years, I know what the kool aid tastes like. If by their actions, they are helping to pressure the cult, I can forgive their past involvement. They are doing something to undo some damage, so that is credit due in my opinion.
I personally have thanked Marty because he helped other people that I care about, to stop and really consider the real actions of the cult, vs the PR line they put out. As a result, at least 4 people left organized corporate $cientology.
The rest of you folks who are inclined to roast him in the court of public opinion, sorry I'm not inclined to pile on the guy, or Rinder for that matter.
I was in for 30 years, I know what the kool aid tastes like. If by their actions, they are helping to pressure the cult, I can forgive their past involvement. They are doing something to undo some damage, so that is credit due in my opinion.
1) They could *stop* the abuses of Scientology within weeks, possibly months, by merely speaking the *truth*. This applies to both Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun.
2) Instead, Rathbun is telling deliberate and conscious lies to avoid his own responsibility for Scientology's criminality and abuses of not only Scientologists but society as a whole.
Every Scientologist may have some culpability for the evil of Scientology because they supported the organization for as long as they did. For the most part they did so in ignorance of the truth. Admittedly, the ignorance was often based on *deliberate* ignorance, but, very very few Scientologists were as deeply involved directly with the crimes of Scientology as Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun.
I admit, I find Rinder somewhat less despicable than Rathbun, because he is merely not talking. Rathbun, on the other hand, is quite blatantly spreading new lies to cover the old.
This isn't about 'recovery' or the 'kool aid' or being deluded. It's about self-serving exploitation and dishonesty.
Zinj
2) Instead, Rathbun is telling deliberate and conscious lies to avoid his own responsibility for Scientology's criminality and abuses of not only Scientologists but society as a whole.
Every Scientologist may have some culpability for the evil of Scientology because they supported the organization for as long as they did. For the most part they did so in ignorance of the truth. Admittedly, the ignorance was often based on *deliberate* ignorance, but, very very few Scientologists were as deeply involved directly with the crimes of Scientology as Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun.
I admit, I find Rinder somewhat less despicable than Rathbun, because he is merely not talking. Rathbun, on the other hand, is quite blatantly spreading new lies to cover the old.
This isn't about 'recovery' or the 'kool aid' or being deluded. It's about self-serving exploitation and dishonesty.
Zinj
Mystic
Crusader
That Mr. Rathbun has assisted a few folks to leave the cult, yes, that is creditable. Mr. Miscavige has also assisted in getting folks to leave the cult. More, more heavy ethsucks, Davey.
There are folks all around the planet who have helped people leave the cult. Wonderful.
I have a bit of a different agenda. The END of scientology, termination, kaput, fine, gone, dead, buried, assets sold off, no more books being printed.
There are folks all around the planet who have helped people leave the cult. Wonderful.
I have a bit of a different agenda. The END of scientology, termination, kaput, fine, gone, dead, buried, assets sold off, no more books being printed.
byte301
Crusader
Exactly. I think the majority of us Rathbun "bashers" would have let all his past crimes go if he had done the right thing and stepped up to the plate. He has done just the opposite imo.
He is placing all the blame on davey and taking no responsibility for HIS crimes. He is calling the critics he tried to ruin db's and losers. He is a walking justifier. Everything he did was for the CoS so that makes it okay in his mind. Make no mistake about it...he feels nothing but contempt for all us sp's. The only ones he'll have anything to do with are the ones with money or influence.
He's an opportunistic sociopath.
Wisened One
Crusader
Huh. You obviously still believe you can even GAIN 'OT abilities' in the FIRST place with Scientology? And if so, that these 'OT abilities' are WORTH $300,000.00-plus FOR them? AND that it's worth SO, Staff and Public working themselves to death, enforced disconnections,abortions etc. FOR THEM?
Sorry.
Smilla
Ordinary Human
He's definitely an opportunist.
flashgordon
Patron with Honors
First, I didn't say anthing about Scientology.
Second, would they be worth $300,000 if by having those abilities you could then make 3 Million, 30 Million or 300 Million?
flashgordon
Patron with Honors
We all agree that there are highier more important things than money?
What is senior to money?
The question is: "What makes money"?
Ability.
The ability to make money is still falls under the catagory of "ability".
Would you spend $10,000 to get the ability to make 1 Billion?
Ability is more important than money because it is ability that makes money.
What is senior to money?
The question is: "What makes money"?
Ability.
The ability to make money is still falls under the catagory of "ability".
Would you spend $10,000 to get the ability to make 1 Billion?
Ability is more important than money because it is ability that makes money.
ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn
Crusader
Entertaining this silly OT fraud has gone on long enough, As rational adults, can we at least all agree that in it's sixty years of existence nothing Scientology has accomplished has to even remotely come close to producing the imaginary state of OT? Not a single OT has or ever will be produced with Hubbard con game of Scientology ... surely we can all agree on at least this simple fact.
flashgordon
Patron with Honors
No I don't agree with that because I don't know for sure that what you said is true.
How do you know for certain that there is no such thing as an OT?
