The Courage of Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

No I don't agree with that because I don't know for sure that what you said is true.

How do you know for certain that there is no such thing as an OT?

As a rational adult I can say Scientology has never remotely come close to producing a single OT with the same certainty that I can say Santa Claus will not be coming down my Chimney this Christmas Eve.

 

[flashgordon]

As a rational adult I can say Scientology has never remotely come close to producing a single OT with the same certainty that I can say Santa Claus will not be coming down my Chimney this Christmas Eve.

How do you know for certain that Scientology has never produced a single OT?

Please explain to me how you know that for certain?

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

How do you know for certain that Scientology has never produced a single OT?

Please explain to me how you know that for certain?

It is not up to me or anyone else to disprove every silly fairy tail mentally unstable individuals fabricate is a fantasy. It is up the the mentally unstable individuals to prove their fairy tails are reality and Scientology has never even remotely come close to proving it's fairy tail of OT is reality.

 

[flashgordon]

It is not up to me or anyone else to disprove every silly fairy tail

How do you know it's a fairy tail?

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

How do you know it's a fairy tail?

The same reason I know my left testicle is not God even if I claim it is. I can claim my left testicle is God and it would not be up to you to disprove it, it would be up to me to prove that it is.

 

[flashgordon]

The same reason I know my left testicle is not God even if I claim it is. I can claim my left testicle is God and it would not be up to you to disprove it, it would be up to me to prove that it is.

Does't that depend on how you define the word "God"?

What do you consider to be God?

I know your left testicle isn't God because God is supposed to be a spiritual being and your left testicle is flesh. So thats how I know that your left testicle is not God.

Before you run around stating that something is or isn't true you should be certain that what you are stating is true and how you know it is. You also have to be able to explain why you feel it is isn't.

I'm not 100% certain that Scientology tech produces OT's but I'm also not 100% certain that it does not.

Hence, I don't run around making statements one way or another on that subject because I don't know for certain which way or the other is true.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Does't that depend on how you define the word "God"?

What do you consider to be God?

I know your left testicle isn't God because God is supposed to be a spiritual being and your left testicle is flesh. So thats how I know that your left testicle is not God.

Before you run around stating that something is or isn't true you should be certain that what you are stating is true and how you know it is. You also have to be able to explain why you feel it is isn't.

I'm not 100% certain that Scientology tech produces OT's but I'm also not 100% certain that it does not.

Hence, I don't run around making statements one way or another on that subject because I don't know for certain which way or the other is true.

It only depend on how I define the word "God", for con men who are looking for an angle get people to believe in their fairy tail. Rational adults who possess the capacity of objective and critical thought do not need to be spoon fed like little children or Scientologists, they can tell something stinks by it's stench. The only thing Hubbard's Tech produces is suckers and ex-Scientologists.

 

[flashgordon]

It only depend on how I define the word "God", for con men who are looking for an angle get people to believe in their fairy tail. Rational adults who possess the capacity of objective and critical thought do not need to be spoon fed like little children or Scientologists, they can tell something stinks by it's stench.

What would these same "rational adults" have said to you in 1869 if you told them that men would walk on the moon?

 

[flashgordon]

Can't one be "rational" but still have a limited mental capacity?

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

What would these same "rational adults" have said to you in 1869 if you told them that men would walk on the moon?

Let me type this really ... really ... slow, so maybe even you can understand it ... Scientology is no way, shape, or form, has ever even remotely come close to producing a single OT, not a single one. And no matter how much you hope for the tooth fairy to show up if you put a tooth under your pillow, it will not change this fact.

 

[flashgordon]

If you walked around in this society in 1869 and spoke to "Rational adults who possess the capacity of objective and critical thought" that men would walk on the moon, what do you suppose they would have said?

So much for you "Rational adults".

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

If you walked around in this society in 1869 and spoke to "Rational adults who possess the capacity of objective and critical thought" that men would walk on the moon, what do you suppose they would have said?

So much for you "Rational adults".

W.C. Fields was right when he said ... "it's immoral to allow a sucker to keep his money"

You do not deserve to be allowed to keep your money, You really need to head down to your nearest Scientology Org so they can clean out your wallet helping you look for Xenu and his imaginary disembodied space aliens .

 

[flashgordon]

W.C. Fields was right when he said ... "it's immoral to allow a sucker to keep his money"

You do not deserve to be allowed to keep your money, You really need to head down to your nearest Scientology Org so they can clean out your wallet helping you look for Xenu and his imaginary disembodied space aliens .

Why are avoiding answering my question?

Here its is again:

If you walked around in this society in 1869 and spoke to "Rational adults who possess the capacity of objective and critical thought" that men would walk on the moon, what do you suppose they would have said?

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Why are avoiding answering my question?

Here its is again:

If you walked around in this society in 1869 and spoke to "Rational adults who possess the capacity of objective and critical thought" that men would walk on the moon, what do you suppose they would have said?

Your question has nothing to do with the subject, you are trying to mix in science with Hubbard's nonsense, if you want to stay in context with the subject you should be asking

If you walked around in this society in 1869 and spoke to "Rational adults who possess the capacity of objective and critical thought" that Santa Claus would ride around with his sled and reindeer on the moon, what do you suppose they would have said?

 

[degraded being]

If you walked around in this society in 1869 and spoke to "Rational adults who possess the capacity of objective and critical thought" that men would walk on the moon, what do you suppose they would have said?

So much for you "Rational adults".

Does rationality mean that you have to answer a question at any point in time as if you have knowledge of everything that will happen, or everything that will be possible - or impossible- in the future?
That doesn't sound like a rational thing to expect from any rational or irrational person.

 

[degraded being]

We all agree that there are highier more important things than money?

What is senior to money?

The question is: "What makes money"?

Ability.

The ability to make money is still falls under the catagory of "ability".

Would you spend $10,000 to get the ability to make 1 Billion?

Ability is more important than money because it is ability that makes money.

But you are also saying that money makes ability. Your simplistic thinking will inevitably lead into self-contradiction.

 

[flashgordon]

Does rationality mean that you have to answer a question at any point in time as if you have knowledge of everything that will happen, or everything that will be possible - or impossible- in the future?
That doesn't sound like a rational thing to expect from any rational or irrational person.

It's not about knowing what will happen in the future it's about the capacity to grasp what is and is not possible.

Don't you you agree that a person can be rational but still have a limited mentality and ability to grasp advanced ideas?

 

[flashgordon]

But you are also saying that money makes ability. Your simplistic thinking will inevitably lead into self-contradiction.

If you had said to someone back in 1869 to a rational adult about a man walking on the moon he might say "yeah, I'll see a man walking on the moon the same day I see Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy walking by! Ha Ha Ha!".

 

[cybersurf]

The courage it took for Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder to do what they did will go down in history.

To be where they were in the church of scientology and to then come out against what was happening inside the church took an enormous amount of courage that only a few in this world will ever know.

I want to say to both of them if they are reading this: I know what is happening also and I share your goals. If you ever need my help I will be there to assist as best I can.

The situation is a mess but it can be put back to right and both of you have taken the first step to putting things back to right.

Here's to Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder, two great men, two great beings.

Bullshit. they have to pay for their crimes against mankind, specially Rinder.

 

[smartone]

It Sorta of like looking for the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus ... no it's exactly like looking for the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus. Scientology has never even remotely come close to producing an OT and that will never change no matter how long people indulged in Hubbard con game. Scientology has nothing to do with OT powers or spirituality, it's just a hypnotic circle jerk.