Carnaubawax
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The crap may have hit the fan.....
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Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Unindoctrinating other people can be very difficult for a number of reasons. I'm glad your wife has agreed not to call any CofS members and that she is listening to you.
My thoughts and prayers go out to you both.
My thoughts and prayers go out to you both.
Wisened One
Crusader
Boy, iktm. 
We're all with ya! 
Lotsa good suggestions here.
Since she was in the SO and LEFT THAT, then ya got at least a little chink to work with, ya know? I mean perhaps you could rehab how she felt the moment she wanted to leave the SO, ya know? Then go from there....
What really opened my eyes, was when my hubby gently convinced me to watch Tory's vids, The OT Panel Vids, and Astra's vids. They helped me. So did Marc Headley's stuff, later on.
It's gonna be ok, I know it will be!
And good that she wants to talk to your father, who is not any longer a scn, either! There's hope, then!
She's workin' with ya, when she agreed not to call any scn's....so THAT'S really hopeful on her part, imho!
Michelle
We're all with ya! Lotsa good suggestions here.
Since she was in the SO and LEFT THAT, then ya got at least a little chink to work with, ya know? I mean perhaps you could rehab how she felt the moment she wanted to leave the SO, ya know? Then go from there....
What really opened my eyes, was when my hubby gently convinced me to watch Tory's vids, The OT Panel Vids, and Astra's vids. They helped me. So did Marc Headley's stuff, later on.
It's gonna be ok, I know it will be!
And good that she wants to talk to your father, who is not any longer a scn, either! There's hope, then!
She's workin' with ya, when she agreed not to call any scn's....so THAT'S really hopeful on her part, imho!
Michelle
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Fabian Marcabian
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My first piece of advice - Grant beingness .....your marriage depends on it.
Ceedia gives good advice, I second that. Also the points of the creed.
The declaration of human rights may be a good one to work with. The Co$ claims to support it, yet there are some absolutely flagrant abuses that even a blind man couldn't help but see.
There is some helpful info for a doubt formula on the exseaorg site.
You might try FDS on the idea that it is out ethics to look at 'entheta'. There is certainly no LRH policy to that effect. It is a new concept formed in the 1980's.
The idea that every criticism of the Church is an enemy line is ludicrous. It prevents ANY and ALL self correction. So there goes your qual, and will lead to the demise of Scientology. If she can see this, she may be willing to look further.
Take your time. Good luck, we're all rooting for you.
Ceedia gives good advice, I second that. Also the points of the creed.
The declaration of human rights may be a good one to work with. The Co$ claims to support it, yet there are some absolutely flagrant abuses that even a blind man couldn't help but see.
There is some helpful info for a doubt formula on the exseaorg site.
You might try FDS on the idea that it is out ethics to look at 'entheta'. There is certainly no LRH policy to that effect. It is a new concept formed in the 1980's.
The idea that every criticism of the Church is an enemy line is ludicrous. It prevents ANY and ALL self correction. So there goes your qual, and will lead to the demise of Scientology. If she can see this, she may be willing to look further.
Take your time. Good luck, we're all rooting for you.
Patricia Curtis
Patron with Honors
That is so adorable.
dchoiceisalwaysrs
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FlunkedForLaughing
Patron with Honors
Good luck IKTM. I wish the best for you.
I am in a similar situation. My wife still believes in Scn, but I don't. We have talked very little about it, but we have had two quick conversations. The second time was easier than the first. She's not open to looking at the information, but she accepts that I have this viewpoint. She of course does not agree with it.
I found this nice article entitled "How to talk to a Scientologist". It might come in hand for you.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/16.htm
The last sentence summarizes it nicely. "So how do you talk to a Scientologist? With care and understanding. They found a reason to be in it. Give them the space and time and resources to find a reason to be out of it." I suggest reading the entire article to see what the author recommends not doing.
Please share how it's going. It will help others.
FFL
I am in a similar situation. My wife still believes in Scn, but I don't. We have talked very little about it, but we have had two quick conversations. The second time was easier than the first. She's not open to looking at the information, but she accepts that I have this viewpoint. She of course does not agree with it.
I found this nice article entitled "How to talk to a Scientologist". It might come in hand for you.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/16.htm
The last sentence summarizes it nicely. "So how do you talk to a Scientologist? With care and understanding. They found a reason to be in it. Give them the space and time and resources to find a reason to be out of it." I suggest reading the entire article to see what the author recommends not doing.
Please share how it's going. It will help others.
FFL
Funny you reference that. I've always thought it would go great on the soundtrack to "LRH" the movie.
I see Hubbard and Pink Floyd as philosophical and artistic protesters, respectively, to 20th century "answers" (commu-, fasc-, modern-, and other tragic -isms).
Those answers were natural reactions to the questions posed by 19th century events, especially industrialization and the eclipsing of religion by science via Darwin and others.
However I don't believe that these or any artists and writers have any special insight. Not Hubbard, Floyd, Ernest Hemingway, nor anyone else. They were just being LOUD with their message in order to make a buck off it, and perhaps as a form of self-therapy.
I can't imagine not being in general agreement with my spouse over religion or even local politics.
Maybe that's why I'm not likely to marry. I'm an unyielding jerk!
FlunkedForLaughing
Patron with Honors
It didn't start that way. We agreed on the Scientology lifestyle. Scientology was our future, but then Anonymous had to show up on the scene and open my eyes and change everything. I never would have expected that to happen. Never.
Matex, maybe you'll meet someone who agrees with your views so you don't have to change each other.
FFL
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Most people marry others who have similar ideological and/or political beliefs and of course, there are many reasons for that.
However, relationships change, people change, their points of view change.
I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation
That ^^^^^^^
One more thing ... please DO fully confront the reality that she may leg it ... I sincerely hope it doesn't happen but face it ...
Hope all turns out well for you.
Carmel
Crusader
No, don't think so!
Nothing wrong with making a buck out of something, especially if that something is not destructive and especially if that something gives so much to so many. Making a buck out of something at the expense of others though, is a different story.
Don't know how anyone could even think to compare the two. Are you serious, or just stirring? :confused2:
I told you I was trouble
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I told you I was trouble
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No, don't think so!
Nothing wrong with making a buck out of something, especially if that something is not destructive and especially if that something gives so much to so many. Making a buck out of something at the expense of others though, is a different story.
Don't know how anyone could even think to compare the two. Are you serious, or just stirring? :confused2:
Ha ha ha !!!
Well said! You beat me .... Hey! Matex!! Leave Pink Floyd alone!
Some people think the Titanic sinking was accurately portrayed in the 1997 film, and that the real tragedy involved a poor-boy-screws-rich-girl love story.
Fifteen hundred people died in freezing water. That's what it was about.
My point being, I don't like celebrities telling me war, poverty, and addiction are bad. The common man knows it well. Celebtards pervert and dramatize history for their own ego and profit.
That's all.
Thrak
Gold Meritorious Patron
Ha ha ha !!!
Well said! You beat me .... Hey! Matex!! Leave Pink Floyd alone!
I'm with you on that. Flubbard and Pink Floyd in the same sentence? What did they ever do to deserve that?
SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
@Iknowtoomuch,
I was in a similar situation too.. I just checked my notes.. Holy crap! - 5 years! - And actually I had decided to not post on this thread.. Because I was unsucessful and thus anything I said could cause depression.
There was some very conspicious differences though. My wife was not in any doubts with Scn whatever. I was convinced that I was an SP and was not right.
So, it's don't do what I did! - And I see you doing that atm!
However.. The one thing I regret to this day is that I didn't speak up. That I didn't tell my wife about the bomb threaths that the GO tried to frame Paulette Cooper for.. That, and a lot of other stuff..
But your wife did leave the SO! - Did she ever tell you about that? - Or does she keep quiet about it? - If she's quiet, that maybe because she follows policy, and thinks that is 'enturbulative'.. Maybe she's where I was and thinks she's wrong.
Your position could be that the SO harmed her. And that you don't think she's at fault. That organization made existence untenable for her and you're on her side no matter what anyway. Ie. You disagree with 'policy' and support her, love her anyway. No disconnection.. Ever!
With regard to your 'curiosity' about the church and reading all that 'entheta' on the net.
Well, curiosity killed the cat.. You ain't dead yet!
Make her aware that a lot of people left the SO, just like she did. A lot more people than those she's aware of, since the cult follows the same 'policy' she does herself.. That data about people leaving is 'entheta' and therefore is supressed. The only exeption is when there is a need to 'handle' it, and the person who leaves is demonized and black PR'ed to his former colleques and friends in the SO, or wherever the person left or blew from..
And just as you know that your wife is not a DB, a criminal and a traitor.. All those people left because the SO or org made existence untenable.
What's this pattern that emerges?
All those stories on the net maybe 'entheta'.. They certainly aren't CoS PR!
If we know anything about CoS PR, it is that it's not true... It's PR fergossake! - Policy is followed rigorously and any 'entheta' is carefully weeded out of CoS PR! - Only the 'good' stuff we like to hear.. Or the stuff that CoS want us to hear.. No bad news!
My guess is that she know this already. That she, like we all did, 'agrees' to having the data flow managed in this way.
Well, curiosity killed the cat.. You want to know what all those people who left say.. And of course one needs to be VERY skeptical when reading it! - Since there's all that 'entheta' and bad news.. But, there's the real story in there too! - Unmanaged by church PR!
That is simply too interesting for a cat who ain't dead yet!
I was in a similar situation too.. I just checked my notes.. Holy crap! - 5 years! - And actually I had decided to not post on this thread.. Because I was unsucessful and thus anything I said could cause depression.
There was some very conspicious differences though. My wife was not in any doubts with Scn whatever. I was convinced that I was an SP and was not right.
So, it's don't do what I did! - And I see you doing that atm!
However.. The one thing I regret to this day is that I didn't speak up. That I didn't tell my wife about the bomb threaths that the GO tried to frame Paulette Cooper for.. That, and a lot of other stuff..
But your wife did leave the SO! - Did she ever tell you about that? - Or does she keep quiet about it? - If she's quiet, that maybe because she follows policy, and thinks that is 'enturbulative'.. Maybe she's where I was and thinks she's wrong.
Your position could be that the SO harmed her. And that you don't think she's at fault. That organization made existence untenable for her and you're on her side no matter what anyway. Ie. You disagree with 'policy' and support her, love her anyway. No disconnection.. Ever!
With regard to your 'curiosity' about the church and reading all that 'entheta' on the net.
Well, curiosity killed the cat.. You ain't dead yet!
Make her aware that a lot of people left the SO, just like she did. A lot more people than those she's aware of, since the cult follows the same 'policy' she does herself.. That data about people leaving is 'entheta' and therefore is supressed. The only exeption is when there is a need to 'handle' it, and the person who leaves is demonized and black PR'ed to his former colleques and friends in the SO, or wherever the person left or blew from..
And just as you know that your wife is not a DB, a criminal and a traitor.. All those people left because the SO or org made existence untenable.
What's this pattern that emerges?
All those stories on the net maybe 'entheta'.. They certainly aren't CoS PR!
If we know anything about CoS PR, it is that it's not true... It's PR fergossake! - Policy is followed rigorously and any 'entheta' is carefully weeded out of CoS PR! - Only the 'good' stuff we like to hear.. Or the stuff that CoS want us to hear.. No bad news!
My guess is that she know this already. That she, like we all did, 'agrees' to having the data flow managed in this way.
Well, curiosity killed the cat.. You want to know what all those people who left say.. And of course one needs to be VERY skeptical when reading it! - Since there's all that 'entheta' and bad news.. But, there's the real story in there too! - Unmanaged by church PR!
That is simply too interesting for a cat who ain't dead yet!
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