Gib
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CBR founded the Freezone, I think. You don't know this?
The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchantress'
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CBR founded the Freezone, I think. You don't know this?
Gib
Crusader
Rmack
Van Allen Belt Sunbather
Understand that the previous posts were the Reader's Digest version of this trip. When I use a sentence to report that the Coast Guard towed us in, who do you think stood on the bow to catch the line? And how long did that take? Realize this was winter, and the seas were running 10-20 feet.
We all had two 4 hour watches each, two men each watch, the same time AM and PM. I had the nice noon to four slot, but I usually got superseded at the wheel that time of day, but I also had the graveyard shift of midnight to 4. Then I got to spend a lot of time on the wheel staring at a compass.
The two people on watch, and it was only two in the wee hours, took turns on that wheel.
I turned out to be a decent seaman, and didn't really get sea-sick much, maybe a faint queasiness, until it was time for the hourly engine room check. You couldn't stand up down there, only crawl. And it was full of foul oily fumes, and it rolled like a son of a bitch down there! I came close, but I never tossed my cookies. I would check the oil and the temp gauges. Fun, fun, fun.
We all had two 4 hour watches each, two men each watch, the same time AM and PM. I had the nice noon to four slot, but I usually got superseded at the wheel that time of day, but I also had the graveyard shift of midnight to 4. Then I got to spend a lot of time on the wheel staring at a compass.
The two people on watch, and it was only two in the wee hours, took turns on that wheel.
I turned out to be a decent seaman, and didn't really get sea-sick much, maybe a faint queasiness, until it was time for the hourly engine room check. You couldn't stand up down there, only crawl. And it was full of foul oily fumes, and it rolled like a son of a bitch down there! I came close, but I never tossed my cookies. I would check the oil and the temp gauges. Fun, fun, fun.
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Rmack
Van Allen Belt Sunbather
I was going to save the best for last, but who knows when that will be?
While we were waiting for the Coast Guard when they discovered the prop wasn't working right out of Charleston, they were busy with all kinds of stuff. It was decided that 'hey, wadda ya know? This is a sailboat? What say we put up some sails? I was delighted.
You see, we had only been traveling by engine, which is reliable but very unstable with this vessel. It rolls like a big fat pig under power. Unless they gave her a lighter hull, which I suspect they did, this would still be the case.
Under sail, she was a different animal!!!
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It was my watch, after all, and Harry and the guys were way busy on other stuff, so they conceded to let me helm for awhile, with a stern warning from the other Scio whos name I forget, to not let the boat get into the wind, but keep the sails full.
Oh, baby! This big steel hull just carved a sweet swath, as stable as you could hope for.
You see, the mass now worked to hold the boat in that tilted over attitude, rather than floundering right and left in a roll like when the D was under power, with no sails up.
This boat was different than most pleasure yachts because it had a wheelhouse. Which was nice when the weather was blowing. It had a sliding hatch above the wheel station, and a step stool thing you could get up on, and look out of the hatch. The wheel was now at your waist.
I was grinning from ear to ear, steering the biggest damned thing I was ever likely to helm. Even the rest of the crew left me alone.
While we were waiting for the Coast Guard when they discovered the prop wasn't working right out of Charleston, they were busy with all kinds of stuff. It was decided that 'hey, wadda ya know? This is a sailboat? What say we put up some sails? I was delighted.
You see, we had only been traveling by engine, which is reliable but very unstable with this vessel. It rolls like a big fat pig under power. Unless they gave her a lighter hull, which I suspect they did, this would still be the case.
Under sail, she was a different animal!!!
[COMMENT][/COMMENT]It was my watch, after all, and Harry and the guys were way busy on other stuff, so they conceded to let me helm for awhile, with a stern warning from the other Scio whos name I forget, to not let the boat get into the wind, but keep the sails full.
Oh, baby! This big steel hull just carved a sweet swath, as stable as you could hope for.
You see, the mass now worked to hold the boat in that tilted over attitude, rather than floundering right and left in a roll like when the D was under power, with no sails up.
This boat was different than most pleasure yachts because it had a wheelhouse. Which was nice when the weather was blowing. It had a sliding hatch above the wheel station, and a step stool thing you could get up on, and look out of the hatch. The wheel was now at your waist.
I was grinning from ear to ear, steering the biggest damned thing I was ever likely to helm. Even the rest of the crew left me alone.
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TrevAnon
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Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?23352-The-Works-of-Captain-Bill-Robertson-(CBR)
In all their glory.
Paul
strativarius
Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
CBR = Completely Batshit cRazy.CBR = Captain Bill Robertson
RogerB
Crusader
RMack . . .
Interesting to get this info from you . . .
To my knowledge, Harry Mason was not an SO member . . . . he told me while we were at FSO as public that he had bought and personally owned the Diana after it had been sold off by the Cherch . . . . and then, subsequently had returned it to them.
I had lots of dealings with him, even hosting him in NYC in around 1981-2.
Your description of him is apt. Though he, like all "operators" (umm, con-men) he could appear nice to those he wanted to either impress or get something from . . . . but he was all "meeee . . . I want, and am the rightest thing in the universe."
One of the things I must plead guilty to is being rather too trusting of "fellow OTs" . . . it's like, when you are cultized you believe the propaganda . . . particularly if you yourself are decent.
Harry, was indeed an "operator" . . . in 1981 he was touting an investment in a computer software system that could analyze Landstat satellite data for recognizing fault lines amenable for gold or other metallic deposits . . . particularly in Oz.
While at Flag, on the subject of yachting, I revealed to him my invention of cambering the keels of racing yachts . . . this to offset the force of the wind in the sails such that the yacht would stay more upright and not lose wind power due to slippage caused by the lean. Harry lit up on this concept.
I had been planning to introduce it to the yachting world after I got shot of Flag service . . . next I heard was Harry in Oz and the invention being put to work out there!!!
It's a standard feature in the big and best ocean racing yachts now days.
Of course, investment in his gold mining venture went south . . . Harry had expenses, of course
Ya, Harry is now dead . . . living life the way he and Hubbard did tends to take you down in ways that are unpleasant.
Hopefully, my post fills in a little bit of information you can benefit from, Rmack . . . if Harry told you or led you to believe he was SO . . . . he was bullshitting you.
Rog
Interesting to get this info from you . . .
To my knowledge, Harry Mason was not an SO member . . . . he told me while we were at FSO as public that he had bought and personally owned the Diana after it had been sold off by the Cherch . . . . and then, subsequently had returned it to them.
I had lots of dealings with him, even hosting him in NYC in around 1981-2.
Your description of him is apt. Though he, like all "operators" (umm, con-men) he could appear nice to those he wanted to either impress or get something from . . . . but he was all "meeee . . . I want, and am the rightest thing in the universe."
One of the things I must plead guilty to is being rather too trusting of "fellow OTs" . . . it's like, when you are cultized you believe the propaganda . . . particularly if you yourself are decent.
Harry, was indeed an "operator" . . . in 1981 he was touting an investment in a computer software system that could analyze Landstat satellite data for recognizing fault lines amenable for gold or other metallic deposits . . . particularly in Oz.
While at Flag, on the subject of yachting, I revealed to him my invention of cambering the keels of racing yachts . . . this to offset the force of the wind in the sails such that the yacht would stay more upright and not lose wind power due to slippage caused by the lean. Harry lit up on this concept.
I had been planning to introduce it to the yachting world after I got shot of Flag service . . . next I heard was Harry in Oz and the invention being put to work out there!!!
It's a standard feature in the big and best ocean racing yachts now days.Of course, investment in his gold mining venture went south . . . Harry had expenses, of course
Ya, Harry is now dead . . . living life the way he and Hubbard did tends to take you down in ways that are unpleasant.
Hopefully, my post fills in a little bit of information you can benefit from, Rmack . . . if Harry told you or led you to believe he was SO . . . . he was bullshitting you.
Rog
JustSheila
Crusader
AFAIK, Bill Robertson had the unique distinction of having been the only person in the entire scn hierarchy that Hubbard awarded the rank of 'Captain,' which was just below the Commodore. That made him L Ron's #2 right-hand man, right after MSH. He was with L Ron since the mid 60s or so.
From my own knowledge and memory, Capt Bill Robertson was assigned the complex renovations and directly answered to L Ron's orders at that time. That was in 1977-1979 and a time the RPF was 200 strong and a dirty needle was called a 'rockslam' so folks were easily assigned there. They had an average of 4-5 hrs sleep a night, 15 minute meals and were badly abused, run ragged, falling asleep on toilets. Jesse Prince can tell about that firsthand. After the renos were completed, the dirty needle definition of a rockslam was miraculously discovered as 'out-tech' and removed and most of the RPF returned to their orgs.
The Mission was a success and received top marks from L Ron,After the complex renos, to the best of my knowledge, CBR was on Mission at ASHO-D and terrorized staff there. He was Flag Bureax staff, but nearly always on mission. He left COS in 1982 and started his first squirrel group, for which he was Declared SP (also in 1982). That's all I personally know.
Here is some info:
Ron's Org has his timeline pretty well nailed down, if you can stomach the fact they whitewash out Bill Robertson's brutality and inhumane treatment of staff in his 'career.'
Link here: http://www.ronsorg.com/english/mythaboutcbr.html
More info here: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Captain_Bill_Robertson
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'
Sorry, just noticed this: the original name was "Enchanter."
Paul
Sorry, just noticed this: the original name was "Enchanter."
Paul
Leland
Crusader
AFAIK, Bill Robertson had the unique distinction of having been the only person in the entire scn hierarchy that Hubbard awarded the rank of 'Captain,' which was just below the Commodore. That made him L Ron's #2 right-hand man, right after MSH. He was with L Ron since the mid 60s or so.
From my own knowledge and memory, Capt Bill Robertson was assigned the complex renovations and directly answered to L Ron's orders at that time. That was in 1977-1979 and a time the RPF was 200 strong and a dirty needle was called a 'rockslam' so folks were easily assigned there. They had an average of 4-5 hrs sleep a night, 15 minute meals and were badly abused, run ragged, falling asleep on toilets. Jesse Prince can tell about that firsthand. After the renos were completed, the dirty needle definition of a rockslam was miraculously discovered as 'out-tech' and removed and most of the RPF returned to their orgs.
After the complex renos, to the best of my knowledge, CBR was on Mission at ASHO-D and terrorized staff there. He was Flag Bureax staff, but nearly always on mission. He left COS in 1982 and started his first squirrel group, for which he was Declared SP (also in 1982). That's all I personally know.
Here is some info:
Ron's Org has his timeline pretty well nailed down, if you can stomach the fact they whitewash out Bill Robertson's brutality and inhumane treatment of staff in his 'career.'
Link here: http://www.ronsorg.com/english/mythaboutcbr.html
More info here: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Captain_Bill_Robertson
Thanks Sheila. I arrived in Los Angeles and Pac Base in 1983.....so I guess I just missed him by a year.
I think its good to have these type of dates...to keep track of occurrences...
RogerB
Crusader
JustSheila you wrote: . . .
Did you ever meet Dafna Dan???? She was the looney tune CBR married sometime around the end of 1980 or in '81 . . . she was trouble everywhere she went and one of no training whatsoever nor case advancement . . . . though wont to claim to be OT-through-the-roof.
Capt Bill blew it when he took "his wife" to LRH's secure hide-away (against the rules) . . .
All this is in his book.
I knew Dafna (AKA Danny) in London . . . . she was trouble there too . . .
Here she is hanging onto my arm in my days of Chaplain in London . . . this after I'd just married the couple to my right (they went on to start the Mission in Brighton, England. This all early 1968
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Did you ever meet Dafna Dan???? She was the looney tune CBR married sometime around the end of 1980 or in '81 . . . she was trouble everywhere she went and one of no training whatsoever nor case advancement . . . . though wont to claim to be OT-through-the-roof.
Capt Bill blew it when he took "his wife" to LRH's secure hide-away (against the rules) . . .
All this is in his book.
I knew Dafna (AKA Danny) in London . . . . she was trouble there too . . .
Here she is hanging onto my arm in my days of Chaplain in London . . . this after I'd just married the couple to my right (they went on to start the Mission in Brighton, England. This all early 1968
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Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
strativarius
Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Haha, I remember her (Dani - I think that's how she spelled it - Dan) from my London org days. Yes, a proper nut job that one.
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strativarius
Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Doh!
Enthetan
Master of Disaster
I don't think he was Flag Bureaux staff in that period. I was Flag Bureaux staff around 1980-81, when Captain Bill arrived at FB on a mission to sort out Flag Bureaux, which means he was CMO. Whether or not he was officially on FB's roster, he operated under the orders of higher.
I've talked about his mission into FB on other threads in ESMB. Let's just say, the guy came across as a lunatic then ("Our OTs stopped a nuclear war! The missiles were in the air!"). His project where he got all of FB to sing some Sea Org songs, which where then taped and sent to the FOLOs, were an especially embarrassing time.
RogerB
Crusader
Well, looks like you're doing the hanging there Rog.
Paul
Yeh, well . . . I'm told I do have my charm
You recognize the building as the old HASI in Fitzroy Street?
R
