The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchantress'

[Little David]

Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'

Steady there, Ogs. She's not a bad lookin' little motorsailer. If she was under-ballasted when you sailed in her that's on the ship yard and the owner not correcting for stability.

As for the skylight coaming (how's that for sailor talk, eh?) what looks like a sloppy paint job may be caulking filling the voids left after the rotten spots were cut out. I'm no ship's carpenter, so anyone is free to tell me what should have been done.

ps: At one time it was contemplated she would be set on a pedestal in the Sandcastle parking lot as a museum (or monument, not sure) according to my friend at the SO Museum.

From the 1986 article Ogs linked to:

"The latest controversy over the Diana comes four months after city zoning officials derailed the Scientologists' plans to store or display the yacht at the Sandcastle Motel, a sect retreat in downtown Clearwater."

http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/images/thecompiler-1986-23.pdf

 

[pkatz]

Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'

Steady there, Ogs. She's not a bad lookin' little motorsailer. If she was under-ballasted [edit to delete "when you sailed in her", see below] that's on the ship yard and the owner not correcting for stability.

As for the skylight coaming (how's that for sailor talk, eh?) what looks like a sloppy paint job may be caulking filling the voids left after the rotten spots were cut out. I'm no ship's carpenter, so anyone is free to tell me what should have been done.

ps: At one time it was contemplated she would be set on a pedestal in the Sandcastle parking lot as a museum (or monument, not sure) according to my friend at the SO Museum.

From a post on another thread Ogs, you state you are a "never-in" (your words). So why the rant about a vessel you have no direct knowledge of?

 

[Gizmo]

Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'

Steady there, Ogs. She's not a bad lookin' little motorsailer. If she was under-ballasted when you sailed in her that's on the ship yard and the owner not correcting for stability.

As for the skylight coaming (how's that for sailor talk, eh?) what looks like a sloppy paint job may be caulking filling the voids left after the rotten spots were cut out. I'm no ship's carpenter, so anyone is free to tell me what should have been done.

ps: At one time it was contemplated she would be set on a pedestal in the Sandcastle parking lot as a museum (or monument, not sure) according to my friend at the SO Museum.

If this were true : " If she was under-ballasted when you sailed in her that's on the ship yard and the owner not correcting for stability " can you explain to dumb little me the captain of the vessel is not responsible for the sea worthiness a vessel under his direct command ?

Hint : It ain't on the yard, bub.

 

[Boojuum]

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What conceivable benefit could there be to anyone on earth to spend millions on a vessel whose only claim is that it helped keep a world class con man beyond the reach of the law, tax agencies and process servers?

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Oh My God! My point precisely.

The ONLY benefit of spending millions on this old boat restoration is to further the notion that LRH was some type of super-being.

Just look at LRH. Don't look at the boats or the cars or the castle or the Messengers. Look at the chubby guy with the bad teeth and weird lips and weird skin. Look at his family relationships. Look at his service record. Does he pay his taxes?

Does he pay his staff a livable wage so that they can take care of their families?

Is he fair in his business dealings?

Yuk, ugh, uh oh, uh oh, nope, nope, nope.

The fancy buildings at Flag and the glitzy Freewinds and empty Ideal orgs do nothing to forward the spiritual lives of the members, but suck the life blood from those still in.

The restored boat is part of the mirage.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'

From a post on another thread Ogs, you state you are a "never-in" (your words). So why the rant about a vessel you have no direct knowledge of?

Why not? Why should you care? I've done enough reading on it, what's yer bother? I like boats and ships and stuff, love sailing, and not fond of LRon, so I do feel inclined to pick at anything associated with the old demented fuck, including but not exclusively of his little navy, and all the fun stuff it has entailed. (And ya call that ranting? Lolol!)

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'

From the 1986 article Ogs linked to:

"The latest controversy over the Diana comes four months after city zoning officials derailed the Scientologists' plans to store or display the yacht at the Sandcastle Motel, a sect retreat in downtown Clearwater."

http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/images/thecompiler-1986-23.pdf

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Monument_Park

http://www.muzeon.ru/pages/school

http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/fallen-monument-park
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_Park

http://www.mementopark.hu/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Scientology_Monuments_Park

 

[Rmack]

Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'

From the 1986 article Ogs linked to:

"The latest controversy over the Diana comes four months after city zoning officials derailed the Scientologists' plans to store or display the yacht at the Sandcastle Motel, a sect retreat in downtown Clearwater."

http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/images/thecompiler-1986-23.pdf

That's so typical of these guys. Hubbard's spiteful, vicious psychotic policies spreading his evil personality is perpetrated by these maniacs resulting in worse PR than any critic could have created.

 

[Rmack]

Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'

Steady there, Ogs. She's not a bad lookin' little motorsailer. If she was under-ballasted when you sailed in her that's on the ship yard and the owner not correcting for stability.

As for the skylight coaming (how's that for sailor talk, eh?) what looks like a sloppy paint job may be caulking filling the voids left after the rotten spots were cut out. I'm no ship's carpenter, so anyone is free to tell me what should have been done.

ps: At one time it was contemplated she would be set on a pedestal in the Sandcastle parking lot as a museum (or monument, not sure) according to my friend at the SO Museum.

I sailed on her (as this thread was about) and she sure did wallow from side to side in moderate seas. The huge, something like 90' main mast with the addition of the mizzen mast PLUS the weight of that thick steel hull sure made her a real ride if you happened to have had a bunk next to the starboard hull, like I did. I had to bungee myself in to not be thrown from the bunk. You don't really sleep, you sort of just pass out between thrashings.

Didn't they say that they now put a steel deck up top with hardwood on that? Wouldn't that make her even more unstable?

 

[cakemaker]

It definitely wasn't that posh below deck when I sailed on her.

Cowboy, when he was posting, said he had been involved with the Diana.

When I was posted in CMOCW {Commodore's Messenger Organization,
Clearwater FL} we had a few missions, during the time of the Freewinds
start up, where the Diana was dry docked at a marina just north of the
Fort Harrison Hotel.
I went on a mission to figure out what to do with it. The funny thing was
it was super confidential and no one at the FLB {Flag Land Base} was to
know that the Diana, a slice of Sea Org history, was just a few short miles
from the land base.
I could never really understand why COB and WDC wanted to keep this
from the public and more so the Sea Org.

 

[Rmack]

Cowboy, when he was posting, said he had been involved with the Diana.

(When I was posted in CMOCW {Commodore's Messenger Organization,
Clearwater FL} we had a few missions, during the time of the Freewinds
start up, where the Diana was dry docked at a marina just north of the
Fort Harrison Hotel.
I went on a mission to figure out what to do with it. The funny thing was
it was super confidential and no one at the FLB {Flag Land Base} was to
know that the Diana, a slice of Sea Org history, was just a few short miles
from the land base.
I could never really understand why COB and WDC wanted to keep this
from the public and more so the Sea Org. )


Maybe it was because the boat was getting a little shabby, and was never that fancy in the first place. It wasn't good PR for Hubbard.

Hey, perhaps that's why they renovated it, and made it much more posh than it ever was.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

(When I was posted in CMOCW {Commodore's Messenger Organization,
Clearwater FL} we had a few missions, during the time of the Freewinds
start up, where the Diana was dry docked at a marina just north of the
Fort Harrison Hotel.
I went on a mission to figure out what to do with it. The funny thing was
it was super confidential and no one at the FLB {Flag Land Base} was to
know that the Diana, a slice of Sea Org history, was just a few short miles
from the land base.
I could never really understand why COB and WDC wanted to keep this
from the public and more so the Sea Org. )


Maybe it was because the boat was getting a little shabby, and was never that fancy in the first place. It wasn't good PR for Hubbard.

Hey, perhaps that's why they renovated it, and made it much more posh than it ever was.

Yup, the ol' "Paint Yo Pig Project Pretentious Pests " A highly secretive operation I'm sure (considering how quiet they've been about it, wot?!? no flauntings? Oh my. ), a thing of hubbard! 2,000 years from now they're going to dig this crap up and go ~ 'Oh, some more Hubbard crap. ._.' *toss*

What I've found interesting about the whole Enchanter story, is that ol' Windy hisself proclaimed it a nasty piece of work... BUT.. wouldn't it be great to use it to train his loyal following? It'll build character! It'll build skillz!
I'm willing to bet that the old 'trailer-princess' Diana is not going to be Miscavige's first means of escape, should the high-waters escape... or any other calamitous occurrences... manifest.
@Jmack, I hear ya mon!
The steel deck thing, yup. As you well know I am sure, there becomes an end as to how much counter-weight/ballast you can add, short of filling the entire lower bilges with lead or something. I think that the original design was for a much lighter top-sides, deep-keeled craft with a much lower house, yawl-type; and it was meant to sail rather than putt about. That said, I do not think it a great design hull-wise, kinda tubby and built oddly. My suspicious nature has lead me to conclude the only reason Hubbard bought it was because it was cheap, and big, and a fair venue of the escaping of his growing liabilities. And keeping it for a 'training ship', lol, hm, its like teaching your kids to drive a '65 Yugo in order for them to be prepared to drive something else. no idea, but a fascinating subject to me *shrug*

 

[Gizmo]

Yup, the ol' "Paint Yo Pig Project Pretentious Pests " A highly secretive operation I'm sure (considering how quiet they've been about it, wot?!? no flauntings? Oh my. ), a thing of hubbard! 2,000 years from now they're going to dig this crap up and go ~ 'Oh, some more Hubbard crap. ._.' *toss*

What I've found interesting about the whole Enchanter story, is that ol' Windy hisself proclaimed it a nasty piece of work... BUT.. wouldn't it be great to use it to train his loyal following? It'll build character! It'll build skillz!
I'm willing to bet that the old 'trailer-princess' Diana is not going to be Miscavige's first means of escape, should the high-waters escape... or any other calamitous occurrences... manifest.
@Jmack, I hear ya mon!
The steel deck thing, yup. As you well know I am sure, there becomes an end as to how much counter-weight/ballast you can add, short of filling the entire lower bilges with lead or something. I think that the original design was for a much lighter top-sides, deep-keeled craft with a much lower house, yawl-type; and it was meant to sail rather than putt about. That said, I do not think it a great design hull-wise, kinda tubby and built oddly. My suspicious nature has lead me to conclude the only reason Hubbard bought it was because it was cheap, and big, and a fair venue of the escaping of his growing liabilities. And keeping it for a 'training ship', lol, hm, its like teaching your kids to drive a '65 Yugo in order for them to be prepared to drive something else. no idea, but a fascinating subject to me *shrug*

The old boy was never short of doing dumb tricks.

So many things were so obviously stupid . . . . . all along.

That tub was about fitting for tubby hisself to go play Master of All Seas -

 

[Rmack]

Yup, the ol' "Paint Yo Pig Project Pretentious Pests " A highly secretive operation I'm sure (considering how quiet they've been about it, wot?!? no flauntings? Oh my. ), a thing of hubbard! 2,000 years from now they're going to dig this crap up and go ~ 'Oh, some more Hubbard crap. ._.' *toss*

What I've found interesting about the whole Enchanter story, is that ol' Windy hisself proclaimed it a nasty piece of work... BUT.. wouldn't it be great to use it to train his loyal following? It'll build character! It'll build skillz!
I'm willing to bet that the old 'trailer-princess' Diana is not going to be Miscavige's first means of escape, should the high-waters escape... or any other calamitous occurrences... manifest.
@Jmack, I hear ya mon!
The steel deck thing, yup. As you well know I am sure, there becomes an end as to how much counter-weight/ballast you can add, short of filling the entire lower bilges with lead or something. I think that the original design was for a much lighter top-sides, deep-keeled craft with a much lower house, yawl-type; and it was meant to sail rather than putt about. That said, I do not think it a great design hull-wise, kinda tubby and built oddly. My suspicious nature has lead me to conclude the only reason Hubbard bought it was because it was cheap, and big, and a fair venue of the escaping of his growing liabilities. And keeping it for a 'training ship', lol, hm, its like teaching your kids to drive a '65 Yugo in order for them to be prepared to drive something else. no idea, but a fascinating subject to me *shrug*

Say Ogs, where did you hear that Laffy proclaimed it a nasty piece of work?

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Nasty was my wording, Hubbard knew Diana was a handful by experience, sorry for any confusion.
Some second-hand quotes here~ http://legacyimgs.lronhubbard.org/yachtsmn/enchant3.htm

 

[Gizmo]

Nasty was my wording, Hubbard knew Diana was a handful by experience, sorry for any confusion.
Some second-hand quotes here~ http://legacyimgs.lronhubbard.org/yachtsmn/enchant3.htm

The old tub was never much of a yacht - looked more like a motorsailor designed for cross-harbor day trips.

Where of where did hubbie come up with his " Master of the 7 Seas " title - other than in his own warped mind?

There is no getting away from that old tub wasn't much to begin with & hubbie didn't know a proper yacht from his own fat butt.

 

[Little David]

http://tonyortega.org/2017/07/10/hi...ogy-propaganda-about-creating-an-ideal-world/

 

[phenomanon]

Nah, before my time. The only Scn building in London I was familiar with was London Org in Tottenham Court Road.

Paul

Paul, did you know Tony Hitchman there?

 

[phenomanon]

Ah, OK, I've heard of him.

I was at ASHO day when a mission was inflicted on us in '81, I think. I believe it was Bill Robertson, but I don't remember the guy being a Captain.

This was the mission that put us on the pilot purification program. He also made everyone run up to Griffith Observatory. I was a jock, and could have beat everyone back, but I foolishly didn't pass this guy when I could have. Not sure why I did that.

It nearly killed some of the old ladies who had been sitting around smoking cigarettes and getting little or no exercise for a few decades.

1981 found me being " Jana Only" in ASHO-F. I was auditing their HGC public.
I did that Purif in 1981 as FDN staff.
The big thing about some of the ladies not being ready for the run to the Observatory is that they were spending their time sitting in a Chair. Clyed Mitchell, aged about 65, comes to mind. She was 'Examiner'.
I ran up to the Observatory. The next morning , I couldn't get up. The muscles in my legs were in spasm. I crawled to the phone and called my C/S & it was "continue"....you know, "what turns it on will turn it off".
I did it as non-so staff, with 3 other 'OTs' in my Sauna. And we exercised at Carmine Terra's Studio, and roller skated at Venice Beach and ran in Griffith Park.
My last week on that Purif, a GO guy that I was auditing, died. Ziggy had been a 3-4 pack a day smoker, and I think that the
Purif loosened a ton of Nicotine into his system and poisoned him.
Those were the daze!

 

[Little David]

Re: The 'Diana' formerly the 'Enchanter'

So we know the Diana's status as of 25 years ago. What did they do with it since then and where is it now? I like history and don't care if they let it rot away, I just like to know this kind of stuff and how and why it happened.

She’s now being readied to serve not only as a training vessel, but also to provide tours to Freewinds guests when the Ship is in the ABC islands, where the Diana will be docked. http://tonyortega.org/2017/07/10/hi...ogy-propaganda-about-creating-an-ideal-world/