The ETHICs CONDITIONs- for they WORK or are they HOGWASH ?

[Leon-2]

The only condition that was at all useful (to me) was the very lowest one, because it was the only condition where you could just relax and breathe and everyone would [STRIKE]leave you alone[/STRIKE] completely ignore you, because you were a pointless waste of space.

Find out where you are, was (IIRC) the formula for "confusion'' ... and I truly liked that one best, every other condition was stressful to be in and the higher you went the worse it got.

Added to the day to day stress of maintaining your stats and condition (my main stat was completely out of my control) there was always the absolute horror of being caught in an overall low condition (or a 3/6 week low trending one) on your one day off a fortnight, so all that had to be carefully jiggled so that you crashed the week before and were ''upstat'' the following week ... then you got to spend that precious day fully aware that you were a conniving, out-ethics, worthless piece of flotsam, which was always nice.



Oh the joys of being in a completely insane environment run by controlling nutters ... how I miss it.

Trouble babe, I think you really should write up your S.O. experiences for all to read. It would be a joy. Someone may even make a movie of it.

 

[Panda Termint]

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Oh the joys of being in a completely insane environment run by controlling nutters ... how I miss it.

Stay tuned, if the Philosophers have their way we could be back there in no time!

 

[Anonycat]

Trouble babe, I think you really should write up your S.O. experiences for all to read. It would be a joy. Someone may even make a movie of it.

And then Terril can show ITYIWT how to keep their stats up, so there's the happy ending. Life's endless variables are controllable in the zone! All of those worries and problems wash away. Who wouldn't want to see that?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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--snipped--

I've just had a thought....

It didn't enter his head that you could be in doubt about something or someone, leave and remain friendly, if you leave you have to deliver an effective blow against your enemy and work up the conditions with your new lover, group, religion. He was like that with people, if he didn't want to work with someone he felt he had to destroy them, and if he stopped liking a staff member they had better leave!

Very cool thought!

For ten years near my main office, there is a hot dog vendor that I always went to when I had the urge. But recently a 2nd hot dog vendor (a Scientologist) set up another cart and so I thought I might like to try the new being's hot dogs and compare. I couldn't quite decide if this was ethical or not. After all, in the Code of Honor Ron states that one should "never withdraw allegiance once granted".

I was stuck in a "maybe".

So, I applied the Doubt Formula.

I thought the Scientology guy's hot dogs were pretty much the same but he recently routed onto the Student Hat (3rd time) so I obnosed that he was very much on source and doing pro-survival things across his dynamics. Therefore I decided it was the greatest good to flow power to the Scientologist's hot dog stand and I announced the fact publicly to both sides and then suffered on up the conditions.

I have now completed my Liability Formula and would like hereby submit my petition for re-entry to the group by having you review and (hopefully) sign my formula below:

1. Decide who are one’s friends.
My friends are theta and ethical Scientology hot dog vendors. Particularly uptone hot dog vendors who are moving on their Bridge.

2. Deliver an effective blow to the enemies of the group one has been pretending to be part of despite personal danger.
During the middle of last night (3 am) I delivered an effective blow to the first hot dog vendor (wog) by burning his hot dog stand down to the ground.

3. Make up the damage one has done by personal contribution far beyond the ordinary demands of a group member. I wrote up my O/Ws on wholetrack hot dog vendors and got word cleared to FN on the MU "kielbasa".

4. Apply for reentry to the group by asking the permission of each member of it to rejoin and rejoining only by majority permission. I hereby ask you to sign my reentry petition to rejoin:
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ML,

Billy Blowdown
OT VIII

 

[AngeloV]

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Very cool thought!

For ten years near my main office, there is a hot dog vendor that I always went to when I had the urge. But recently a 2nd hot dog vendor (a Scientologist) set up another cart and so I thought I might like to try the new being's hot dogs and compare. I couldn't quite decide if this was ethical or not. After all, in the Code of Honor Ron states that one should "never withdraw allegiance once granted".

I was stuck in a "maybe".

So, I applied the Doubt Formula.

I thought the Scientology guy's hot dogs were pretty much the same but he recently routed onto the Student Hat (3rd time) so I obnosed that he was very much on source and doing pro-survival things across his dynamics. Therefore I decided it was the greatest good to flow power to the Scientologist's hot dog stand and I announced the fact publicly to both sides and then suffered on up the conditions.

I have now completed my Liability Formula and would like hereby submit my petition for re-entry to the group by having you review and (hopefully) sign my formula below:

1. Decide who are one’s friends.
My friends are theta and ethical Scientology hot dog vendors. Particularly uptone hot dog vendors who are moving on their Bridge.

2. Deliver an effective blow to the enemies of the group one has been pretending to be part of despite personal danger.
During the middle of last night (3 am) I delivered an effective blow to the first hot dog vendor (wog) by burning his hot dog stand down to the ground.

3. Make up the damage one has done by personal contribution far beyond the ordinary demands of a group member. I wrote up my O/Ws on wholetrack hot dog vendors and got word cleared to FN on the MU "kielbasa".

4. Apply for reentry to the group by asking the permission of each member of it to rejoin and rejoining only by majority permission. I hereby ask you to sign my reentry petition to rejoin:
​

ML,

Billy Blowdown
OT VIII

This is a hilarious and spot on example of the ludicrous nature of scientology "ethics".

As someone earlier in this thread pointed out, scientology "ethics" has very little to do with ethics and much to do with raising one's 'statistics'. Ethics are the set of moral principles that a person or group uses to determining the rightness or wrongness of actions or decisions.

The ultimate goal of scientology "ethics" is to bind a person to scientology with mental chains. A person ends up in front of the "ethics officer" when he or she dares to question, act against or poke fun at anything Hubbard said. Hubbard crafted the conditions and 'formulas' with this fundamental goal in mind. It is glaringly obvious. "Never withdraw allegiance once granted" = never leave scientology.

Scientology "Ethics", to be described correctly should be renamed "Methods to improve performance" or some such.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

This is a hilarious and spot on example of the ludicrous nature of scientology "ethics".

As someone earlier in this thread pointed out, scientology "ethics" has very little to do with ethics and much to do with raising one's 'statistics'. Ethics are the set of moral principles that a person or group uses to determining the rightness or wrongness of actions or decisions.

The ultimate goal of scientology "ethics" is to bind a person to scientology with mental chains. A person ends up in front of the "ethics officer" when he or she dares to question, act against or poke fun at anything Hubbard said. Hubbard crafted the conditions and 'formulas' with this fundamental goal in mind. It is glaringly obvious. "Never withdraw allegiance once granted" = never leave scientology.

Scientology "Ethics", to be described correctly should be renamed "Methods to improve performance" or some such.

Yes but it's not just about productivity it's about how much a slave you are, how much of you the cult owns. You, your goals, your dreams, your interests, your talents, your creativity, your family, your lover, your kids, all the groups you belong to, your area, country, planet, people, animals, plants, spirits and gods, none of that has any importance, the only thing that matters is the org that owns you. If that wasn't bad enough it's all done with an attitude that you are worse than dog shit stuck on DM's expensive and pathetically small shoes.

 

[Adam7986]

I'm not here to defend Hubbard or scientology in any way. I simply believe that in order to understand scientology we need to embrace the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
...

Embrace the truth. The truth shall set ye free.

There is no truth in Scientology. The entire thing is based on falsehoods, misinformation, and plagiarism.

 

[Adam7986]

Unexpectedly, that stream of thought was not allowed! And things devolved from there. The trigger was the last post I made on the non-existence formula. A weird accusation was made that I had neglected to note it could be applied to other than the group "dynamic".

Yes, here is non-e on the 1st Dynamic

Here is non-e on the 8th dynamic

By the way, don't sweat it if someone tells you that you aren't an expert in Scientology tech. I pity anyone who considers the tech to be useful, and even worse considers themselves to be an 'expert' at something so useless.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Yes but it's not just about productivity it's about how much a slave you are, how much of you the cult owns. You, your goals, your dreams, your interests, your talents, your creativity, your family, your lover, your kids, all the groups you belong to, your area, country, planet, people, animals, plants, spirits and gods, none of that has any importance, the only thing that matters is the org that owns you. If that wasn't bad enough it's all done with an attitude that you are worse than dog shit stuck on DM's expensive and pathetically small shoes.

"Owns you." That says it all!

I remember with startling clarity being called by another OT who was very industriously and furiously helping Flag by calling fellow-OTs in the field to get them in for a "very special VIP briefing" by the "Captain" of Flag who was in the Los Angeles area on tour.

I didn't have any real interest in attending a briefing, but I knew it would be fatal to be honest about that. LOL. So, I just listened to the pitch.

At one point I was being pressured to "confirm" my attendance, but I was ambiguous about whether I was going to be in town or not. That's when it happened........

The OT calling me suddenly stopped in their tracks and blurted out (with great passion and breathless pride): "This is a MANDATORY briefing. The CAPTAIN of Flag is here and wants you to be there. It's a MANDATORY briefing ORDERED by the CAPTAIN!"

Inside my mind there was a silent but violent cringe. At that moment I hated everything about the concept of--and even the word itself-- "MANDATORY". I doubly detested the fact that some other field OT was so profoundly lost as a human being that they were actually thrilled to be part of a paramilitary command channel where people "ordered" others to comply with their commands.

It hit me like the proverbial ton of bricks. I saw with raw and unfiltered absurdity the clownlike spectacle of ordinary field Scientologists (not staff, not SO) who were literally fawning over the meaningless title of "CAPTAIN" like a small child who is electrified & mesmerized when the clown at their birthday party magically pulls a coin out of their ear. LOL

I was expected to be mightily impressed too with the words "CAPTAIN" and "ORDERED" and "MANDATORY". I knew at that moment that I actually hated something about Scientology that I could now put a name on. The inexorable command to "surrender" to others who supposedly knew more and were better than me.

The "knowing" ones were never more foolishly exposed than when a lowly field Scientologist was running around hysterically trying to enforce compliance on other field Scientologists by using cheap buzzwords and the pretense of a military command channel that I was just supposed to "obey" for reasons that I never could figure out.

My thoughts at that moment were twofold:

1. WTFFFFFF?????!!!!!!!

2. Please STFU and fuck off with that stupid shit.

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Ordered? Mandatory? The Captain?

MANDATORY?

ORDERED?

"CAPTAIN?"

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL​

 

[Gizmo]

Well now that you put it that way we can ask Gizmo to figure out how to retitle the thread to "Post-ethics drinking party in celebration of sinking ships everywhere".

Gizmo ? No need to ASK anything.

Posters post what posters post. It is the posters who make or break a thread with their posts.

This shit about an "OP" being of any significance whatsoever on any thread is purely delusion driven ego gone out of control on a power binge.

Derail ? LOL ! It is the nature of a thread to grow, change, twist & turn whichever way the posters want to go...... I surely hope so !

I'm just another reader / poster here, period.

 

[Gizmo]

SO, here we go !

I've seen some words tossed around here & there, so I thought about this . . . . . . .

Hello world. I hereby ....

order you to mandatory attendance at ( whatever ) hosted by ( who ever )

or

I declare ( blah blah ) SP

or

I declare ( blah blah ) Khan Khan ( or is it Koo Koo ? )

. . . . . . . And you all laugh

but at one time most us let those words impact our lives, we got told who to hate, who to fear, who to admire, who to worship.

Now that, I suggest that was one hell of a condition to be in !

Slavery ? Owned ? Mind Numbed? Zombie ?

:: shuddfer ::
So glad to see folks posting here what they damn well please !

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: SO, here we go !

I've seen some words tossed around here & there, so I thought about this . . . . . . .

Hello world. I hereby ....

order you to mandatory attendance at ( whatever ) hosted by ( who ever )

or

I declare ( blah blah ) SP

or

I declare ( blah blah ) Khan Khan ( or is it Koo Koo ? )

. . . . . . . And you all laugh

but at one time most us let those words impact our lives, we got to who to hate, who to fear, who to admire, who to worship.

Now that, I suggest that was one hell of a condition to be in !

Slavery ? Owned ? Mind Numbed? Zombie ?

:: shuddfer ::
So glad to see folks posting here what they damn well please !

Reminds me. . .

All the times a Scientologist went to Flag or the Freewinds and spent $50,0000 or $100,000 or far more. Then they returned home and were called with an "URGENT ORDER TO RETURN".

Because someone discovered that there was "squirrel" tech or something and that's why everyone was caving in, crashing, getting ill or becoming a DB.

Imagine that! You call your own customers who have just spent a fortune with your company. Your product sucked beyond imagination and didn't work. So you call them and ORDER them to return to your company and pay your hotel and restaurants while you try to solve the problem. THEY pay to fly back. THEY pay for your overpriced food and rooms. THEY also pay for "review" or other auditing actions to fix the defective auditing that they paid for previously.

And Scientologists are so freaking stupid that when they are "ordered" to return to Flag (or Freewinds, etc.) they actually go.

 

[Gizmo]

Re: SO, here we go !

Have been talking to my partner ?
Is THAT who ratted me out to you ?
But - ha ha - you don't know how many times I did that, do you ?
See !

Reminds me. . .

All the times a Scientologist went to Flag or the Freewinds and spent $50,0000 or $100,000 or far more. Then they returned home and were called with an "URGENT ORDER TO RETURN".

Because someone discovered that there was "squirrel" tech or something and that's why everyone was caving in, crashing, getting ill or becoming a DB.

Imagine that! You call your own customers who have just spent a fortune with your company. Your product sucked beyond imagination and didn't work. So you call them and ORDER them to return to your company and pay your hotel and restaurants while you try to solve the problem. THEY pay to fly back. THEY pay for your overpriced food and rooms. THEY also pay for "review" or other auditing actions to fix the defective auditing that they paid for previously.

And Scientologists are so freaking stupid that when they are "ordered" to return to Flag (or Freewinds, etc.) they actually go.

 

[Adam7986]

Scientology is so stupid as a whole. I mean the wins that these people experience are just ridiculous. They find parking spots, they keep cool in a tense situation, they have a financial windfall when they least expect it...and all these are credited to their auditing or to the basics.

They do conditions when their "stats" go up and down, as if they have control over the reasons that productivity increased or decreased. They pretend like they are in control of their own lives while surrendering control of it to the Sea Org.

The fact is that most of what happens to you in your life is completely out of your control. There are aspects of it which you can control, but mostly the universe is just a whirling pool of random particles that collide in an unpredictable manner and create effects which we, as individuals, could never hope to control.

 

[strativarius]

These people think they are on a bridge. What they are really on is one of those revolving wheels you see in rodents cages.

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Adam

THIS was my fav.

Because yes, alcohol can make it better.

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Gizmo ? No need to ASK anything.

Posters post what posters post. It is the posters who make or break a thread with their posts.

This shit about an "OP" being of any significance whatsoever on any thread is purely delusion driven ego gone out of control on a power binge.

Derail ? LOL ! It is the nature of a thread to grow, change, twist & turn whichever way the posters want to go...... I surely hope so !

I'm just another reader / poster here, period.

Ok
I will make a thread.

I don't care if anyone posts. It's just an act of abandon... I'll create a lounge for *whatever* happens.

 

[Maria Cuervo]

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?39933-The-Blue-Moon-Bar

I created a thread. Thanks Giz.

I have no idea what it's for but perhaps visitors will flesh out its contours......

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

FUN is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

 

[Maria Cuervo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

i am so sorry to report a theft. I posted this to the Blue Moon.

Incorrigible.