The Factors--Scientology's trap.

[Freeminds]

Good point, how come we can find the date of an incident down to the second of something that happened billions of years ago from a BT but not a one of them knows anything about physics - at least physics that I don't already know... hmmm... ;-)

I'd like to know why Hubbard claimed that thetans were electronically implanted with Christian imagery. All those millions or even billions of years that they would supposedly live through... yet the 'evil one' implants them with something that could only have relevance in the last twenty centuries?

Smells like horseshit, when you get enough freedom and space to really think about it. All of it.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I'd like to know why Hubbard claimed that thetans were electronically implanted with Christian imagery. All those millions or even billions of years that they would supposedly live through... yet the 'evil one' implants them with something that could only have relevance in the last twenty centuries?

Smells like horseshit, when you get enough freedom and space to really think about it. All of it.

Not arguing in favor of hubbard's views but you are mistaken about the character of 'christian imagery'. The imagery is common to humanity. Jung refers to such images as archetypes; imagery devoid of specific content which serve as expressive symbols representing thought. Many cultures from differing epochs & regions have held such ideas in their cultural mythos. Christianity is just one such culture which has picked up such imagery and given it an added meaning from the specific context of christian myth by which they seek to interpret phenomena.

The idea of the resurrected god is at least as old as human culture. The specific context & meaning in which christianity has assigned that imagery is what is 'uniquely christian'. The specific contexts in which archetypes arise are cultural interpretations of common symbolic imagery. The meanings that christianity attaches to such symbols are what is 'unique' to christianity, not the symbols themselves.

Hubbard's stated view of implants boils down to being equivalent to a claim that he has found 'the original source' of Jungian archetypes. In his idea Jungian archetypes have their origin in common whole track experience. Interesting idea, not a lot of evidence to support the conclusion.

BTW, traditional christianity has effectively argued in favor of the existence of 'implants' as their way of explaining how earlier pagans had similar ideas & imagery to that adopted by the christian orthodoxy. The reality is that christianity adapted earlier pagan ideas for its own purpose. However, the christian myth is that the devil anticipated the truth of christ and taught the pagans using imagery & symbols which were a 'perversion of christian teachings to come'. Hubbard just 'reversed the vector' on the spin of christian orthodoxy.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

Thanks Veda, for the quote on Alice in Wonderland in the Brainwashing manual. It will come in handy.

God, the fat fraud could be really daft at times--which Russian reads Alica in Wonderland? Did he really think we'd fall for that?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Originally posted by Mark A. Baker

Hubbard's stated view of implants boils down to being equivalent to a claim that he has found 'the original source' of Jungian archetypes. In his idea Jungian archetypes have their origin in common whole track experience. Interesting idea, not a lot of evidence to support the conclusion.

Revelations 16.

And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.

And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead [man]: and every living soul died in the sea.

And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.

And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great.

And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

..........:...........................

I think the were a lot of of implants tossed together and dramatized in The Old Testament with archetypes such as the red dragon and bloodshed everywhere. It's like a contrived reality, a created, holographic HELL..... inescapably superimposed on a suppressed group (mankind) as punishment.

ARE WE A POSSESSION INTENDED TO BE HARVESTED BY ......


From Revelations 14.

Revelations 14

.....


Harvesting the Earth and Trampling the Winepress

 14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.  17 Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” 19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.[c]
Footnotes:Revelation 14:8 Isaiah 21:9
Revelation 14:14 See Daniel 7:13.
Revelation 14:20 That is, about 180 miles or about 300 kilo

 

[Hatshepsut]

I MISSED THE 30 MINUTE EDIT RULE.

I wanted to add a little under the snippet from Revelations 14 posted above by me. This one raises an eyebrow because I believe the left over remnants of defeated or closed out arenas are often compiled as building material for the new ordering of things. Things are deliberately compressed at times. Running flows techniques on solid masses during NOTS and also simple Hello and OKs I got this personal revelation.

Yesterday I was listening Michael Tsarion on the YouTube channel and he was talking about the anima and the animus properties needed to cause a stable creation of a universe. I got it for the first time. The idea had been foreign to me. But I could see how a Cause then emanated a female aspect to be the Receiver willing to be imprinted with and reflect back. The Earth is like this female aspect too. She has been the canvas and platform for much and is fresh and ripe.

I think some of what we may have called BTs are our own emanating or issuing forth of anima, structure designed to conform to our Will and creative direction. THIS I believe, is where the Babylonian magicians excelled in understanding some things. It is also where they probably destroyed themselves through disrespecting sovereignty of other beings and their properties.Their Blackness was served back to them in putrifying measures leaving them to be mere necromancers avoiding the true light.

 

[Hatshepsut]

After reading my last post again and checking some Jungian definitions I realize I am speaking in a gnostic sense re anima as Sophia. Jung did not make this his primary meaning for the archetypes anima and animus although he was a mystic and embraced gnosticism saying he felt like he'd finally come home after a long time away..
The magician Simon Magus who challenged St Peter was head of a gnostic mystery school and sect. The magician named his consort Helen which is also symbolic of Sophia the female emanation issued forth from First Cause.