The Factors

[Vinaire]

Factor # 1

Before the beginning was a Cause and the entire purpose of the Cause was the creation of effect.

Most people do not ask themselves the question, "Before the beginning of what?" and simply assume it to be "Before the beginning of this universe." But then what is a universe? It is a fuzzy concept. So the understanding of this factor is generally very poor.

If you carefully look at this existence, an interesting pattern is observed. When we start looking at matter, we find it to consist of "particle within particle within particle..." On a computer we can have a folder within a folder within a folder... In Hindu mythology, we find stories within stories within stories... In our lives we find cycle of action within cycle of action within cycle of action...

The Vedas consider this universe to be a Cycle of Action, which is part of a larger Cycle of Action, which in its turn is a part of still larger Cycle of Action. We find a similar arrangement as we move down into this universe.

So, what "before the beginning" are we looking at?

My understanding is that this Factor # 1 applies in general to a Cycle of Action no matter how big or small that cycle is, and in particular to one's personal universe. Of course, it would apply to this physical universe too.
The goal here is knowledge.

The questions are:
“Do we fully appreciate the knowledge that we now have?”
“How can we improve upon the knowledge we now have?”

MEST may be looked upon as a function of a cycle of action. For example, time belonging to a cycle of action is likely to be different from the time belonging to another cycle of action. Similarly, space belonging to a cycle of action is likely to be different from the space belonging to another cycle of action. A cycle of action itself may appear as a dimension point in another cycle of action. The dimension points basically form the units of matter and energy.

The possibility of creating complexities out of the simplicity of Factor # 1 is enormous. And that may very well be what we did to create the solid physical universe that is now so difficult to undo.

But one thing is for sure. Before existence, a potential for existence is a logical extension. And we may call that potential “Cause.” And we may call the existence itself the “effect.”

Beyond Cause and Effect we have STATIC.

It is thinking outside the box, which is necessary to undo this Gordian knot.

 

[Vinaire]

Factor # 2

Factor # 2

In the beginning and forever is the decision and the decision is TO BE.

Most people do not ask what “forever” means. They assume “forever” to mean the duration of this universe, and they think that this universe will never come to an end. Nobody has an accurate concept of what a universe is, but it follows the cycle of action.

In fact, “forever” can never be greater than the duration of the cycle of action to which it applies. And that is the exact duration for which cycle of action exists and its cause is “being.”

The decision TO BE applies to the cause of the cycle of action which is there as long as the cycle of action is there.

This factor is self-evident. All it is saying is that “a cycle of action comes into being” and it will be as long it will be. That also applies to the cycle of action called “this universe.”

The beingness called “a thetan” exists as long as the cycles of action, generated by it, exist.

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[Bea Kiddo]

Very interesting Vinaire. I am assuming you are listening to the PDC? (I have listened to them, kinda long ago).

I guess I assumed before the begining was before thetans. I never thought about universe on that.

And it seems to me that there is one thing missing in your essay: Time. That is a key thing in the Factors. Alot of it relates to the creation of time. It explains time. Either that, or I have some big MU's.

I guess when I listened to them, I was listening to them as they relate to time, more than as they relate to a universe. I was already OT III at the time, so in that way, universes are kinda already figured out to some degree.

But when you are referring to universe, which are you referring to? The physical universe? Sounds like it.

But LRH does not differentiate them yet - that is later in the factors.

Sorry to pick your thread apart.

Maybe you can teach me something. Open my mind.

(ps: Is the physical universe circular? And where is the end? Is it really infinitely expanding?)

 

[Soul of Ginnungagab]

Interesting views Vinaire.

I have made some similar thoughts which you maybe can see if you read my signature. In case you or other readers have disabled the showing of signatures I will quote my signature here:

In the beginning is Ginnungagap, the mighty gap with magical potential.
In the north there is Niflheim, the land of fog and ice.
In the south there is Muspelheim, the land of fire and heat.

From this pool of unlimited creative power great ideas are born.

Note that it is a slight change of the creation or start of the creation as told in the Norse mytology.
In the Norse mytology the story is told in past tense. In my signature I have changed it to present tense, thus it expresses a kind of a state of mind.

 

[Vinaire]

But when you are referring to universe, which are you referring to? The physical universe? Sounds like it.

I am referring to a CYCLE OF ACTION which was borrowed by LRH from the Vedas.

The Vedic Cycle of Action is presented as BRAHMA - VISHNU - MAHESH (or SHIVA)

BRAHMA is the creator of illusion.
VISHNU makes that illusion continue in infinite wondrous ways.
MAHESH (or SHIVA) is the destroyer of illusion.

A "thetan" is a cycle of action, just as any "universe" is a cycle of action.

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[Alan]

I guess I assumed before the begining was before thetans. I never thought about universe on that.

And it seems to me that there is one thing missing in your essay: Time. That is a key thing in the Factors. Alot of it relates to the creation of time. It explains time. Either that, or I have some big MU's.

I guess when I listened to them, I was listening to them as they relate to time, more than as they relate to a universe. I was already OT III at the time, so in that way, universes are kinda already figured out to some degree.

For time to exist there must be a space for it to exist in.

But when you are referring to universe, which are you referring to? The physical universe? Sounds like it.

But LRH does not differentiate them yet - that is later in the factors.

Actually the Factors do not cover before the beginning.

If we take the "before" area - we could start with a co-existent universe of spirit.

There appears to be 21 Universes between the Co-Existence Universe and the Physical Universe.

Each of these universes are composed of differing forms of Games, Goals, Identities, space, time, energy and matter.

It is important to know what these universe are as you have probably collided with them during different session phenomena.

I know in cleaning up lots of "OT" level pcs they had run into these phenomena and it caused a great deal of case hang up.

The L's are bad for taking you into these other universes.

I cannot say with certainty that what I found is the way it is as my sampling is too small.

Maybe you can teach me something. Open my mind.

Err maybe an opened up spirit would be better

(ps: Is the physical universe circular? And where is the end? Is it really infinitely expanding?)

If you get really exterior you will see the PU like a golden spinning ball. Many people from many different philosophies have seen this phenomena.

Prior to the Co-Existence universe there appears to be other universes - which makes me believe (though no proof whatsoever) that we have been doing this Game Playing for a very long time.

Alan

 

[haiqu]

If you get really exterior you will see the PU like a golden spinning ball. Many people from many different philosophies have seen this phenomena.

By taking a point one second before the PU and one second after the PU and holding them, I was able once to exteriorize and see it as being like a bead on a necklace. A series of gold spinning balls, one finishing and the next starting.

And yes, in a pedantic sense I'm aware that the idea of "one second before MEST" is nonsense, because time doesn't exist there.

haiqu

 

[Vinaire]

By taking a point one second before the PU and one second after the PU and holding them, I was able once to exteriorize and see it as being like a bead on a necklace. A series of gold spinning balls, one finishing and the next starting.

And yes, in a pedantic sense I'm aware that the idea of "one second before MEST" is nonsense, because time doesn't exist there.

haiqu

Wouldn't PU be a "...particle, within a particle, within a particle...," which is, in a way, a representation of a "...cycle, within a cycle, within a cycle..."?

This series may extend to infinity in either direction. So, one could be within a certain "layer" of PU looking at rest of the "inside layers" of PU, theoretically.

Makes me think that I am simply climbing out from one layer of electrons to the next, which are fixed quantum jumps...

Then, there could be another level of jumps, such as, crossing the "surface" of the nucleus, or crossing the "surface" of the atom, of molecule, and so on...

Just musing... nothing serious...

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[beyond_horizons]

For time to exist there must be a space for it to exist in.

Actually the Factors do not cover before the beginning.

My point exactly. That's the way I tend to relate to it. Even the notion of a spirit or 'hubbo thetan' suggests a container.

Before the beginning is explained elseware as; a total seamless scalar mass of energy, akin to the purest nature of the notion of white light thus condensing through all the frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum resulting in matter, i.e. the waist product of the lesser gods and angels.

Since that kind of process is beyond the audio that tends to try to explain it, it's allegory beyond semantics.

So how does your ‘21 Universes’ relate to the metaphorical 10 emanations of godliness, their opposites, and the 22 interconnecting paths from top to bottom spanning side to side as metaphorically explained in the 'Book of Formation'?

 

[Alan]

So how does your ‘21 Universes’ relate to the metaphorical 10 emanations of godliness, their opposites, and the 22 interconnecting paths from top to bottom spanning side to side as metaphorically explained in the 'Book of Formation'?

Dunno! Never heard of this 'Book of Formation' before.

 

[Alan]

Wouldn't PU be a "...particle, within a particle, within a particle...," which is, in a way, a representation of a "...cycle, within a cycle, within a cycle..."?

This series may extend to infinity in either direction. So, one could be within a certain "layer" of PU looking at rest of the "inside layers" of PU, theoretically.

Makes me think that I am simply climbing out from one layer of electrons to the next, which are fixed quantum jumps...

Then, there could be another level of jumps, such as, crossing the "surface" of the nucleus, or crossing the "surface" of the atom, of molecule, and so on...

Just musing... nothing serious...

It's a whacking great onion!

Layer within layer within layer of differing bio-mechanical law Universes - with your PT self identity in the center core and your higher pure spirita surrounding it.

​

Alan

 

[Vinaire]

It's a whacking great onion!

Layer within layer within layer of differing bio-mechanical law Universes - with your PT self identity in the center core and your higher pure spirita surrounding it.

​

Alan

Nicely put!

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[beyond_horizons]

It's a whacking great onion!

Layer within layer within layer of differing bio-mechanical law Universes - with your PT self identity in the center core and your higher pure spirita surrounding it.

​

Alan

There was that other guy by the name of Moses back 4,000 years ago who splained it in similar terms after his AE on the mountain.

http://www.workofthechariot.com/TextFiles/Sources-Tree.html

Was just wondering how your meat and potatoes was simmered in your onions is all!

 

[Alan]

There was that other guy by the name of Moses back 4,000 years ago who splained it in similar terms after his AE on the mountain.

http://www.workofthechariot.com/TextFiles/Sources-Tree.html

Thanks for the url.

"The core idea of the Shevirat HaKelim is that the Totality was shattered at the moment of creation (mirroring the Big Bang Theory). From this inflationary event, "holy sparks" flew off in all directions.

"Some returned, and others became embodied in all forms of matter."

From this arose the idea of Tikkun Olam, or the "Perfection of the World," in which all the holy sparks return to the state of unity that preceded the creation of the universe.

A parallel in Chaos Theory is the concept of a "disturbed system" that strives to revert to a former condition of quasi-stationary equilibrium."

Thats freaky - almost verbatim what I wrote.

If you understand the "Shattering" or "The Big Bang" and its effect on unity - you can easily see why there cannot be a standard bridge out for anyone.

"Some returned, and others became embodied in all forms of matter."

The basic action of processing is to unstick the being from what "matter" they are embodying.

To do that you must process from the strongest point of unity or wholeness on the being - you must process from the positive.

Processing from the negative - keeps you dramatizing being "shattered".

Alan

 

[beyond_horizons]

Thats freaky - almost verbatim what I wrote.

If you understand the "Shattering" or "The Big Bang" and its effect on unity - you can easily see why there cannot be a standard bridge out for anyone.

:chinscratch: Dae Ja Vue,

At last ... an echo from one who saw his way clear of that 'theta' trap that a Ron built!

:amen:

 

[Vinaire]

Understanding of factor #2 Revised

Factor # 2

In the beginning and forever is the decision and the decision is TO BE.

Most people do not ask what “forever” means. They assume “forever” to mean the duration of this universe, and they think that this universe will never come to an end. Nobody has an accurate concept of what a universe is, and therefore, the concept of “forever” is also not very clear.

A universe would depend on the concept of Cycle of Action. And, “forever” would depend on the duration of that Cycle of Action. “Forever” can never be greater than the duration of the Cycle of Action to which it applies.

The decision TO BE applies to the cause of the cycle of action, which is there as long as the cycle of action is there. The Cycle of Action and its cause are tied to each other. The universe is a complex “cycle, within cycle, within cycle… ad infinitum.” Its cause is, therefore, quite involved.

This factor is self-evident. All it is saying is that “a cycle of action comes into being” and it will be as long it will be. The beingness called “a thetan” exists as long as the cycles of action, generated by it, exist.

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[Vinaire]

Factor # 3

Factor # 3

The first action of beingness is to assume a viewpoint.


A viewpoint is a point of awareness from which one can perceive.

A thetan intrinsically knows its own postulates, thoughts, and creations. But in order to perceive them, he must set them up so that they are persisting “by themselves.” Then he can perceive them or not perceive them.

A postulate, thought, or creation has no separate persistence when known intrinsically. The thetan just knows it. It is part and parcel of him. It is not persisting apart from him. The thetan does not have to look around for it.

To look for something one must first assume that it is somewhere persisting by itself. Thus, the idea of space has to be introduced in which things may be “hidden.” Once space is there, then “looking away” may hide things, and “looking for” may find things. Thus, one departs from intrinsic knowingness by introducing the idea of space.

It is space that puts up the barrier between intrinsic knowingness and having the awareness of something. Space allows the thetan to perceive, and also not to perceive. Space makes the thetan become aware, and also to become unaware. Space makes it appear that things are “persisting by themselves.”

Awareness and unawareness are, thus, introduced through the mechanism of space. They are a departure from intrinsic knowingness. This awareness may now be regulated through viewpoints. Certain viewpoints may then be accepted and others rejected.

Potential for awareness and viewpoints develops as the thetan proceeds to make postulates. The dynamics of those postulates bring about the cycles of action. The thetan then assumes a viewpoint from which to perceive the cycles of action.

Awareness is a departure from intrinsic knowingness to the degree space is introduced. The thetan is a departure from STATIC to the degree he allows space to intervene.

The beingness of the thetan depends on his ability to assume viewpoints. The causativeness of the thetan depends on the degree to which he is able to direct awareness (attention units) from his assumed viewpoint.

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[Little Bear Victor]

Single cause

I couldn't help but notice that the first factor says "a Cause" as in a single Cause. Once we get to one of the later Factors, this will change into "But there are other viewpoints..."

How does one get from a single cause to suddenly having multiple viewpoints. Are they separate viewpoints of the same cause?

I tend to see the entrance into the game called the physical universe more like a big piece of cheese being pushed through a sieve. Not the most eloquent of similes, but gets the point across...

(And before someone says "we're all from the same cheese" I better say it myself and thus preempt it.)

I'll think of something a bit more poetic tomorrow. Going to sleep now.

Tata

V

 

[Alan]

Factor # 2

In the beginning and forever is the decision and the decision is TO BE.

This factor is self-evident. All it is saying is that “a cycle of action comes into being” and it will be as long it will be. The beingness called “a thetan” exists as long as the cycles of action, generated by it, exist.

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It may be self evident to you - but I doubt if it is experienced.

In the beginning and forever is the decision and the decision is TO BE. This area is possibly one of the most charged areas on most cases.

First the Spiritual Being is discombobulated from the Shattering - then this dumb decision had nothing to compare anything to, thus the decision is a first postulate.

The only problem is the pure Shattered (stuck in a huge loss of unity) Spiritual Essence has no idea of what to be!

Consequently there is a tremendous amount of self listing - What should I be? I could be this - or that - or I don't know - or what do you think I should be etc., etc.

There can be thousands of dichotomous self listing questions - resulting in an immense ball of confusion, charge, force and mass. Which BTW floats in time.

It can last for a very long time - in some cases they never did decide to be.

I first ran into this area doing a PTS R/D in 1972 then again doing Expanded Dianetics.

Straightened a lot of crap up.

Alan

 

[beyond_horizons]

Thanks for the url.

"The core idea of the Shevirat HaKelim is that the Totality was shattered at the moment of creation (mirroring the Big Bang Theory). From this inflationary event, "holy sparks" flew off in all directions.

Just a thought for those interested in origins; those "holy sparks" have been referred to as 'Merkabas' for many, many centuries, not 'Markabians' arriving in DC-8's! It makes for light years of differences when attempting to untangle one's self from a 'theta' trap!