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haiqu

Patron Meritorious
Back in those early days 1961 - there were two major targets that the auditors went after.

1. The "incident necessary to resolve the case."

2. The "Rock."

"ROCK, THE, 1. was something which we audited for and assessed out, meaning a shape of something which we could then run a process on. We at that time were running on the theory that it was the first object the fellow had made on the track. (SH Spec 83, 6612C06)

2. That which a person has used to reach people or things with and is determined in value by its creativeness or destructiveness. It is simply a reach and withdraw mechanism which makes a ridge and this causes the
stick of the needle.

The rock is an object not a significance. (HCOB 29 Jul 58)"

It is much, much more than that - it was probably the beings home universe.


It's when I see this kind of stuff that I go green with envy for those few lucky souls who had the opportunity to be there at the research phase of this great game. And despite my occasional minor altercations with you, Alan, I do hold you and all original St Hillers in the deepest respect.

When I dropped out last lifetime the tech was barely past the "find a picture and confront it" stage. I came in this time in 1975, after all the very best research was completed, and at a time just prior to the whole thing imploding organizationally. So in effect there were maybe three years during which I could get a feel for what the subject should have been.

There's a great difference between reading about such processes, hearing later from someone who actually ran them, and being in the right time and place to actually participate in history in the making. You've apparently had it all, and since the clock can't be turned back there's nothing I could ever do to compete with that.

Perhaps my frustration with your approach to others lies in this very history. Without making less of your knowingness on the subject, there are a few points which combine to make what you espouse difficult to follow. Amongst those are an apparent rejection of the time track concept in favour of an all-encompassing holographic "now", a lack of presentation of gradients of information and an expectation that others should see things in exactly the same way you do.

Whilst I can grasp most of it there is still much I have to reject, not because of my own inability to see where you're going, but by virtue of the fact that people at lower levels are unlikely to follow it. And in that regard, only one well-versed in basic Scientology or very advanced in some other approach - such as your Buddhist monks - could truly get it. By occasionally playing devil's advocate I had hoped to inspire you to detail the foundations from which you arrived at your philosophy.

The genius of Hubbard's approach is that he continued to simplify and expand the lower runway, so that others could follow. What I get continuously from your messages could be easily interpreted as frustration at the apparent stupidity of others, or simple arrogance. I've concluded that neither is correct, and that you simply assume everyone to have the same background of knowledge and/or case improvement. You might like to address that in your current review of the body of data you're working on.

Meanwhile I'll be starting on the famed Wall of Tapes soon, and perhaps having finally gotten an inkling into the breadth of research on which you base your findings and conclusions I'll be able to participate further in a way that makes sense to you. Not that this is my ultimate goal, since spiritual advancement and complete understanding will always be coloured by personal cognition.

Anyhow, I hope the above goes some way to smoothing what has otherwise become somewhat of a games condition between us recently. But please note that I am not stupid by any measure, and nor do I consider you to be so.

haiqu
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Ok. Another strange question from the Peanut Gallery.

Ready?

You sure?

Ok.

Here goes:

I had a pc once state that he was audited by LRH on the Ship. But he was audited while sitting on LRH's knee. For a while, he could not figure out why that was always the pic he got.

When he got to OT III - yep you guessed it.

He was a BT blown from LRH's knee and went and picked up a body.

Takers?
 

Björkist

Silver Meritorious Patron
Ok. Another strange question from the Peanut Gallery.

Ready?

You sure?

Ok.

Here goes:

I had a pc once state that he was audited by LRH on the Ship. But he was audited while sitting on LRH's knee. For a while, he could not figure out why that was always the pic he got.

When he got to OT III - yep you guessed it.

He was a BT blown from LRH's knee and went and picked up a body.

Takers?


Anything's possible, right?

Maybe we could ask one of our Hindu friends who seems to have all the answers.
 
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Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
Ok. Another strange question from the Peanut Gallery.

Ready?

You sure?

Ok.

Here goes:

I had a pc once state that he was audited by LRH on the Ship. But he was audited while sitting on LRH's knee. For a while, he could not figure out why that was always the pic he got.

When he got to OT III - yep you guessed it.

He was a BT blown from LRH's knee and went and picked up a body.

Takers?

Did he describe it like to look like this?

BTknee3.jpg
 
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Terril park

Sponsor
Ok. Another strange question from the Peanut Gallery.

Ready?

You sure?

Ok.

Here goes:

I had a pc once state that he was audited by LRH on the Ship. But he was audited while sitting on LRH's knee. For a while, he could not figure out why that was always the pic he got.

When he got to OT III - yep you guessed it.

He was a BT blown from LRH's knee and went and picked up a body.

Takers?

There was a guy, a neuroscientist or something like that, a few years ago
on OCMB gave the same story. I think it came out of a book 1 session.

He wanted to do serious research re past lives. Maybe others who were there can remember the thread and find it again.
 

haiqu

Patron Meritorious
Didn't seem to me then you were serious. Nor do I know if you are now.
Bea seems serious and I definitely am.


Serious? Oh boy. No, it just came to me as I was typing.

And why the heck should seriousness be a valid yardstick for truth anyhow? I'd be more inclined to believe the opposite.

haiqu
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
Hi Div6.
Never thought you'd ask. :eyeroll:
This has absolutely nothing to do with "superficial case handling". The issue is that not one of all the scientology processes address the root or core of the mind, they are not designed to do so. They are addressing what the PC/PreOT wants handled with the ultimate goal of being at will, exterior with full perception. This is an example of the rule of "selling the customer, what the customer wants, and then come back and sell the customer what the customer needs", except that scientology does not have "what the customer needs". This is not just scientology, it is also true of all self development programs including clinical psychology as well. They are all working on that part of the unconscious mind just below the conscious mind.

At the root level, the mind controls the body through sensations. And it is through sensations that our cravings and aversions take place. This is all cravings and all aversions. To free ourselves from our cravings and aversions, we must stop ourselves from reacting to our body sensations. There are no "significances" associated with it at all, we are operating well below that level, we are addressing the mind at is base.

Consider what it means to be free from all your cravings and aversions. :happydance:

David.

It would be a state of equanimity, an immunity to the spiritual traps of what the New Testament poetically describes as "lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life".
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
It would be a state of equanimity, an immunity to the spiritual traps of what the New Testament poetically describes as "lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life".

Stably exterior with full perceptics should go a long ways to helping a being to rise above the cravings of the mind and flesh. It seems that no one acheived that in CofS auditing.
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
Maybe I don't know Class 12 that well, but while reading his web site, he didn't come across to me as humble.

It seems to me that the more wisdom one acquires the more tolerant and humble one becomes.

Arrogance and self-aggrandizement are indicators of shallow knowledge.

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Right, the more one understands the mind, or the being, the more tolerant one is of abberration, dramatizations, etc. When I first started looking at people through John Galusha's viewpoint via Idenics, I realized I'd never be able to hate anyone anymore, or strike back at entheta (a 2.0 operation, isn't it?) unless I forgot myself. In other words, just reacted.
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
I just assumed that a person who has reached Class 12 is quite knowledgeable and has a lot of altitude. That altitude comes from the broad understanding of the human mind and how it may be handled.

I assumed that a person of this altitude would be able to understand why somebody is critical, nattery, onerous, abusive, etc., and would be above reacting to such human foibles.

I assumed that a person of Class 12 altitude would be able to side-step all this human murkiness, and act in a way to cut through all the bullshit and bring more understanding. He or she would act tolerantly.

I can't imagine David Mayo acting this way. But, probably, he may.

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Vinaire, you are in my estimation a Classy Class Act.
 

beyond_horizons

Patron Meritorious
I just assumed that a person who has reached Class 12 is quite knowledgeable and has a lot of altitude. That altitude comes from the broad understanding of the human mind and how it may be handled.

I assumed that a person of this altitude would be able to understand why somebody is critical, nattery, onerous, abusive, etc., and would be above reacting to such human foibles.

I assumed that a person of Class 12 altitude would be able to side-step all this human murkiness, and act in a way to cut through all the bullshit and bring more understanding. He or she would act tolerantly.

I can't imagine David Mayo acting this way. But, probably, he may.

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I would assume that the idea of "altitude" is poppycock! Perceptiveness, pervasiveness and reconnection expand and permeate amongst the poppy's in and across the holographic universe. :)

But if you’re stuck in the CoS mindset then mimicking a DM type entity becomes "altitude". If stuck in the scino freezone mindset then perhaps "Class 12" entity is supposed to represent "altitude".

If you’re a weatherman, then a Ralph style entity might come across as "altitude" in which case Terril's jaw drops at the thought of a 'theta hand' reaching out to gently and with great care stop that baby from slamming into the pavement after falling off a bridge during a traffic accident!

I, for one, appreciated the official news report on the event from Ralph to Terril, which claimed something quite different.

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Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Serious? Oh boy. No, it just came to me as I was typing.

And why the heck should seriousness be a valid yardstick for truth anyhow? I'd be more inclined to believe the opposite.

haiqu

Where'd you go, Haiqu?

Haven't heard from you in a while....
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Maybe he finally met that chick at the jazz club.
If she was half as good as he described, I wouldn't be wasting my time here.....:whistling:

Yeah. But women who take up that much of a mans life.... Somethings wrong with that, in my eyes.

But who am I to say anything?

Maybe he is back getting auditing. Or work. Or who knows.

I just hope he's ok.
 
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