"The first REAL OT Level" enemy line?

[beyond_horizons]

Well done Paul.

That is a decent Life Repair List.

Though you did omit Financial Independence - though that is minor with those abilities regained a day at a casino or the race track would achieve that state fairly quickly.

Alan

You mean a "Possible" decent Life Repair List right? Still seems kinda fuzzy to me!

Getting out was my life repair, and since that day it’s taken the better part of 13 years to get from bankruptcy and certain homelessness to the point where house is paid in full. Financial Independence is now a reality for me.

But it seems like its the non scientologists who are the ones who can afford to win at casinos and race tracks, as it takes money to make money.

I remember back in the early 80's, there was a TV show called the 'Dating Game'. Two students on course at AO or ASHO, sorry cant remember exactly, were boasting how they were going to in essence 'clean up' with their OT abilities. What a dismal showing that turned out to be! That was another one of those WTF moments back then.

As far Financial Independence Alan, are you offering a million dollars for freezoner's to switch over and become independents? Cause until then I suspect DOF is itching to update his;

"Chart of Possible Abilities to be Gained and Where They Might be Obtained" to include;


No. Ability/Possibility …………..Example Person …..How Obtained … % Possibility

114. Financial Independence … Alan Walters ...… Knowledgism ....… 100%

 

[Alan]

You mean a "Possible" decent Life Repair List right? Still seems kinda fuzzy to me!

Ok! so you got higher standards than I do!

Getting out was my life repair, and since that day it?s taken the better part of 13 years to get from bankruptcy and certain homelessness to the point where house is paid in full. Financial Independence is now a reality for me.

Congratulations - I know how tough that is to do.

Taking back ownership for your life is one of the hardest things to do - you so much want to turn to someone else to tell you what you should do.

After all almost all our early upbringing was designed for us to give up our ownership for ourselves.

But it seems like its the non scientologists who are the ones who can afford to win at casinos and race tracks, as it takes money to make money.

Not really - it takes money management and strong discipline. And being in the Zone.

I financed myself for years - from casino's - been banned from the best of them.

I bought myself a top of the line Turbo charged Bonanza aeroplane with my winnings from John Asquaguas Nugget Casino in Sparks, Nevada.

Later when desperate - I picked several "pick sixes" at the horse race track - the odds of doing that are millions to one.

This was always my not so hidden standard of how well my tech was working.

I remember back in the early 80's, there was a TV show called the 'Dating Game'. Two students on course at AO or ASHO, sorry cant remember exactly, were boasting how they were going to in essence 'clean up' with their OT abilities. What a dismal showing that turned out to be! That was another one of those WTF moments back then.

As far Financial Independence Alan, are you offering a million dollars for freezoner's to switch over and become independents? Cause until then I suspect DOF is itching to update his;

"Chart of Possible Abilities to be Gained and Where They Might be Obtained" to include;


No. Ability/Possibility ????..Example Person ?..How Obtained ? % Possibility

114. Financial Independence ? Alan Walters ...? Knowledgism ....? 100%

My ability to teach people how to make and have money has always been spectacular since 1961.

The number one basic is NEVER TURN CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!!!

That means no long term debts or contracts - unless you can escape fairly easily by selling what you bought for what you paid or for a profit.

The next is; stay on purpose. The purpose should be worthwhile - it should be big - money should be a by-product. A way of keeping score. You may need to set yourself up in a step by step approach.

The next is ALWAYS FOLLOW YOUR INTEREST LINE - this of course can be deadly if you are a destructive addict - it usually means you need to change addictions from destructive to positives.

The next is be willing to apprentice. This is the one that takes the most time, and most people are to impatient to do but the reward is you have the basic winning fundamentals of your game down.

The next is be willing to fail.

For failure always means you are a player in the Game, but you have lots of unknowns and weird ideas that need to be erased and the correct knowledge and know-how obtained - I have never met anyone who has not failed themselves to success.

Most of the people on this list have a lot of unused, undirected skills and abilities that can be focused to build a very successful life.

Alan

 

[Alanzo]

Good answer, Alan.

I can tell you really mean it.

 

[beyond_horizons]

Good answer, Alan.

I can tell you really mean it.

Crap!

Sorry Alanzo, he ain't offering a million dollars! Looks like about all DOF can update his list of Possibles and Mights , along with disclamer, is;

"Chart of Possible Abilities to be Gained and Where They Might be Obtained" to include;


No. Ability/Possibility …………..Example Person …..How Obtained … % Possibility

114. Financial Independence … Alan Walters ...… Knowledgism .......… ?

No offence Alan, but me thinks Suzi Orman's cuter with a better sence of humor!

 

[RolandRB]

Ok! so you got higher standards than I do!



Congratulations - I know how tough that is to do.

Taking back ownership for your life is one of the hardest things to do - you so much want to turn to someone else to tell you what you should do.

After all almost all our early upbringing was designed for us to give up our ownership for ourselves.



Not really - it takes money management and strong discipline. And being in the Zone.

I financed myself for years - from casino's - been banned from the best of them.

I bought myself a top of the line Turbo charged Bonanza aeroplane with my winnings from John Asquaguas Nugget Casino in Sparks, Nevada.

Later when desperate - I picked several "pick sixes" at the horse race track - the odds of doing that are millions to one.

This was always my not so hidden standard of how well my tech was working.



My ability to teach people how to make and have money has always been spectacular since 1961.

The number one basic is NEVER TURN CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!!!

That means no long term debts or contracts - unless you can escape fairly easily by selling what you bought for what you paid or for a profit.

The next is; stay on purpose. The purpose should be worthwhile - it should be big - money should be a by-product. A way of keeping score. You may need to set yourself up in a step by step approach.

The next is ALWAYS FOLLOW YOUR INTEREST LINE - this of course can be deadly if you are a destructive addict - it usually means you need to change addictions from destructive to positives.

The next is be willing to apprentice. This is the one that takes the most time, and most people are to impatient to do but the reward is you have the basic winning fundamentals of your game down.

The next is be willing to fail.

For failure always means you are a player in the Game, but you have lots of unknowns and weird ideas that need to be erased and the correct knowledge and know-how obtained - I have never met anyone who has not failed themselves to success.

Most of the people on this list have a lot of unused, undirected skills and abilities that can be focused to build a very successful life.

Alan

But what you CAN'T do, Alan, is demonstrate these powers and win the Randi Million and nor can any apprentice you care to train. You are simply deluded and the best thing you could do is to get the Hubbo spew out of your head.

 

[beyond_horizons]

Actually he is on track about the disipline required to make, hold and have money to enjoy.

Not that I cold claim to be anywhere near as wealthy as he claims to be. I just have lot's, in relative terms, to spare these days. Kind of like when I wasn't involved with scientologists or spinning my wheels on hubbo courses that promised to magicly make money appear before my very eyes anywhere I wanted it to.

Like Kenny Rodgers once sung; "You gotta know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em. I lost my first house in order to learn how not to loose my current one!

 

[Alan]

But what you CAN'T do, Alan, is demonstrate these powers and win the Randi Million and nor can any apprentice you care to train.

That is your purpose and interest line - go for it. And we already know you are OT in the area of not making that or anything to do with betterment work!

You are simply deluded and the best thing you could do is to get the Hubbo spew out of your head.

I like my delusions - they tend to pay off handsomely. I keep them private - I do not foist them unto others.

Hubbard has never managed to introspect me for too long.

As I'm usually exterior 24/7

You are the one all entangled with Hubbard.

Hubbard has been dead for more than twenty years.....maybe you should look at PT.

The Tech is dormant - it has no life, unless it is enlivened by someone.

So do you know wtf you are going on about?

Your just a repeater circuit - playing the same old silly message over and over again......but I'm truly glad you are not deluded - that you are the final answer to all.

Alan

 

[Alan]

Actually he is on track about the disipline required to make, hold and have money to enjoy.

Not that I could claim to be anywhere near as wealthy as he claims to be.

I just have lot's, in relative terms, to spare these days.

One of the hardest things is not to go into a games condition with others.

Stay within your own target area.

Slow is usually fast in the area of making money.

I started with $200 learning to play blackjack - my target was to turn the $200 into $1,000 then quit for the night. The $200 worked out to being able to play 40 losing $5 hands.

Even Roland could manage to do that!

Over time I began to win 2 out of 3 times.

I lived a 100 miles away from the Casino. Sometimes I would lose my $200 in 20 minutes. I just got in my car and drove home.

Slowly I built up my stake to $10,000 - from then on I was able to earn $300 - $450,000 a year in my spare time. I never took more than $2,000 with me at any one time.

It was very exhausting work.

I played all over the world - very seldom losing very much. Most times winning quite big.

And yes I did employ certain pieces of Tech I had developed over the years.

Kind of like when I wasn't involved with scientologists or spinning my wheels on hubbo courses that promised to magicly make money appear before my very eyes anywhere I wanted it to.

Like Kenny Rodgers once sung; "You gotta know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em. I lost my first house in order to learn how not to loose my current one!

Those beginning lessons can be very expensive

When I start in a new area I nearly always have many losses - I factor that in as part of the cost of learning and doing business.

Alan

 

[Roland ami]

In my company we have a motto - Just Fucking Do It. It seems to work. It means, given a problem or a task, whatever the hassle seems to be, just work on it till it's done. Don't bitch about how tough it is or how it's someone else's job.

It helps that the principals are willing to do anything for the business, and this is well known by the staff.

Roland ami

 

[The Oracle]

Alan wrote:

You are the one all entangled with Hubbard.

Hubbard has been dead for more than twenty years.....maybe you should look at PT.

The Tech is dormant - it has no life, unless it is enlivened by someone.

BRAVO!

 

[beyond_horizons]

In my company we have a motto - Just Fucking Do It. It seems to work. It means, given a problem or a task, whatever the hassle seems to be, just work on it till it's done. Don't bitch about how tough it is or how it's someone else's job.

It helps that the principals are willing to do anything for the business, and this is well known by the staff.

Roland ami

Yoe Roland, We were talking about financial independence in one's line of interest. I listened for hours to hubbo’s 'Money Tapes'. What a Fucking waist of money that was! The guy was no Suzi Orman.

Your strategy might work well to use for example, a janitorial service, or applying for unemployment benefits, after being mentored by a guy who’s level of technical expertise consisted of "The number of electrons in an atom, the number of atoms in a molecule, the number of molecules in a drop of water is awesome arithmetic".

But what if the guys interests lay in something abit more technical? How exactly does your advice work without your, “make it go right” premise without requiring further explanation?

You sound like one of those, scientologically inspired clones, with your hand stretched out, palm up for a credit card after giving that wounderously magical advice!

So what might you be doing to realize your financial independence?

 

[The Oracle]

You just LOVE to HATE Hubbard.

 

[Dulloldfart]

So what might you be doing to realize your financial independence?

Roland? That's funny, BH.

Paul

 

[spbill]

But what you CAN'T do, Alan, is demonstrate these powers and win the Randi Million and nor can any apprentice you care to train. You are simply deluded and the best thing you could do is to get the Hubbo spew out of your head.

I have often wondered why big OT's don't just demonstrate their powers objectively and end this silly game once and for all. No doubt whatsoever here that if Alan were to pop over to where Roland was, materialize in a recognizable form from a puff of smoke, mock up a 100% pure gold ingot out of thin air and give it to Roland to keep and offer to answer all his questions, Roland would become a true believer on the spot. Skepticism has its limits, after all. If these OT powers are real as claimed, I cannot imagine any valid reason (at least not without really stretching things a whole lot) why a demonstration would not be in order. A scientist who discovers something novel is always willing to offer convincing proof to overcome his colleagues' doubts. But we have never had such a demonstration. Instead we get a lot of hand-waving, winking, smiling, etc - in other words: evasion. It's like "I've got a secret and I'm not telling". And of course, we mustn't overwhelm the poor wogs, we have to wait until they're ready to receive such momentous and life-altering cognitions I must confess I have the same reservation about the biggest OT of all - God. Why would He not simply appear in person? The P.R. benefits for organized religion would be enormous!

I believe it was Einstein who said something like "Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler" ? Well, in this case there is a very obvious simple explanation. Alan may very well have convinced himself he is exterior 24/7 - but as he says himself: "The truth is what it is - not what you want it to be."

Bill

 

[OHTEEATE]

proving it

I did OT 8 and all the L's and I can't do a damn thing anyone else can't do, too. Sure, I felt better for awhile. I saw some stuff you can't see with body eyes, for a few minutes. So what? Is that worth a half million dollars? After ARC Straightwire in 1973 I walked into a casino and rolled two threes in a row. With money on three both times. I paid for hot fudge sundaes for everyone at my table. So what. This is what makes the release of OT 9 and 10 interesting. After 10 completion, you had better see some OTs who can DO something or the game is over. I am willing to guess wrong, but I think it's basically horse manure dressed up as real spiritual gain. I think you can grow mushrooms on it and it will still taste like shit.

 

[The Oracle]

I have often wondered why big OT's don't just demonstrate their powers objectively and end this silly game once and for all. No doubt whatsoever here that if Alan were to pop over to where Roland was, materialize in a recognizable form from a puff of smoke, mock up a 100% pure gold ingot out of thin air and give it to Roland to keep and offer to answer all his questions, Roland would become a true believer on the spot. Skepticism has its limits, after all. If these OT powers are real as claimed, I cannot imagine any valid reason (at least not without really stretching things a whole lot) why a demonstration would not be in order. A scientist who discovers something novel is always willing to offer convincing proof to overcome his colleagues' doubts. But we have never had such a demonstration. Instead we get a lot of hand-waving, winking, smiling, etc - in other words: evasion. It's like "I've got a secret and I'm not telling". And of course, we mustn't overwhelm the poor wogs, we have to wait until they're ready to receive such momentous and life-altering cognitions I must confess I have the same reservation about the biggest OT of all - God. Why would He not simply appear in person? The P.R. benefits for organized religion would be enormous!

I believe it was Einstein who said something like "Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler" ? Well, in this case there is a very obvious simple explanation. Alan may very well have convinced himself he is exterior 24/7 - but as he says himself: "The truth is what it is - not what you want it to be."

Bill

So what is your theory? If we have the wrong answer and you have thr right ones you share with us.


What exactly is man?

Is there an after life?

Are there no spirits?

Is man made of mud and cells?

Are there spirits?

Are we all just peices of meat?

It is well enough to say we are wrong, but why?

What is right?

You say we have the wrong answers.

O.K., tell the right ones.

What is life all about?

Who are we?

Where did we come from?

Why?

Where are we going?

If Alan and I are wrong, why? What is right that proves we are wrong?

Do you also suppose what is true for you is true for all mankind because of general issue bodies?

I look forward to knowing what you know.

I am looking forward to your lessons.

 

[Zinjifar]

So what is your theory? If we have the wrong answer and you have thr right ones you share with us.

<snip>

I look forward to knowing what you know.

I am looking forward to your lessons.

My first inclination was to actually give the most honest answer to most of your lengthy list of questions, but, I realized that, from my point of view, many of the questions are irrelevant and many are ones where I would have to answer 'I don't know' and some would be 'I don't *know*, but, I suspect' and most of the others would be 'my opinion and/or experience is...' which wouldn't do you much good.

I'm not doing that because the point is that an 'answer' is not always preferable to *no* answer, unless you're locked into some kind of desperate '*MUST KNOW*' scene, or, like Scientology, into a 'MUST JUSTIFY' mode where otherwise abhorent behavior must be excused 'because' it's for a putative 'Greater Good'.

If I say 'Cancer is caused by eating mulberry leaves' it's not necessary to offer an 'alternative explanation' in order to prove the theory wrong.

Merely to prove it wrong (fairly simply) is enough.

Scientology *claims* to have 'all the answers', and, *justifies* its abhorent behavior because of that. Given Scientology 'Certainty', all that's necessary is to disprove any one element of Scientology's claims in order to strip it of its justification for evil.

Zinj

 

[spbill]

So what is your theory? If we have the wrong answer and you have thr right ones you share with us.

What exactly is man?
Is there an after life?
Are there no spirits?
Is man made of mud and cells?
Are there spirits?
Are we all just peices of meat?
It is well enough to say we are wrong, but why?
What is right?
You say we have the wrong answers.
O.K., tell the right ones.

What is life all about?
Who are we?
Where did we come from?
Why?
Where are we going?
If Alan and I are wrong, why? What is right that proves we are wrong?
Do you also suppose what is true for you is true for all mankind because of general issue bodies?
I look forward to knowing what you know.
I am looking forward to your lessons.

Oh dear! When you are ready to receive the truth it will be revealed to you.
I wouldn't want to overwhelm you with my insights. You will have to approach this on a gradient basis - start at the bottom and work your way up. Don't expect to find out everything all at once.

Of course, there just might be a simpler explanation for why I am being so evasive?
Bill

 

[Zinjifar]

Of course, there just might be a simpler explanation for why I am being so evasive?
Bill

It's a PLOT!!!

Zinj

 

[Terril park]

Alan may very well have convinced himself he is exterior 24/7 - but as he says himself: "The truth is what it is - not what you want it to be."

Bill

Its quite easy to know when one is exterior or not. Many people can do this including those on OCMB per a thread some time back.

Is that " OT"? Doubtfull. But a step in that direction.

Exterior perception is quite rare it seems. Baby " OT" steps?