The Freezone Lie

[Tanstaafl]

I do not know you. You speak in the manner of critic, yet you use Scientologese, "VFP". Hmm....

Nick

Check over a few of RB's posts and you'll know him soon enough.

 

[Ralph Hilton]

I do not know you. You speak in the manner of critic, yet you use Scientologese, "VFP". Hmm....

Nick

The last time I met Roland was in Munich nearly 10 years ago. Despite the watered down beer they serve to the English tourists I never saw him manage to drink more than 2 gallons.

The time before was in a pub a couple of doors down from the London org where he was telling me about his escapades in Space Opera.

He is quite a likable character once one gets used to his idiosyncrasies.

 

[Alan]

I do not know you. You speak in the manner of critic, yet you use Scientologese, "VFP". Hmm....

Nick

Don't worry about RolandRB - he's our pet Rockweiler - he's trained to savage anyone or anything that is Scio spawned!

 

[The Oracle]

Teril,

the truth of the matter is, than in none of the emails I received from either yourself or the other two people had anyone else copied into them (visibly).

As for 'M' now receiving auditing from the south group. Well that is all I really wanted anyway. Despite the fact that I was dissapointed with the way he behaved in front of you, I still had a lot of affinity for him. My discussion over the phone with him was the only time anyone has spoken to me and known with absolute knowingness who I am and where I am and talked to me at my case level. Despite the perceived eccentricities, he is a very wise man with some great knowledge. I always felt he would be a great contributor which is why I never really gave up on him and his 2-D. I even said to Na at the end, that he would be a good person to start a group with.

When I suggested bringing the 2-D along at the end, you guys were very panicky about it. You were even shocked at my suggestion that someone out there had agreed to audit him? And now he's receiving auditing from the group?

This is social tone and desperation. I am sure that a recovery effort on the other guys will now be put in place, whereas if I hadn't had kicked up a fuss, it would never have happened because they are PTS etc etc. Having them recovered was what I wanted but was given a list of what was wrong with them instead.

.... Oh and M called me the other morning several times letting me know about getting auditing. It was not his usual tone. I detected something in the voice. After the meeting with you, I know he nearly threw the towel in on getting auditing. I am not suprised he is now receiving auditing from Victoria. The double sidedness of it all just stinks. (And not on his behalf either). You wanted absolutely nothing to do with M's 2-D, let alone him.

Illusionness, I agree with you. Like I said before. 'Go in, get what you need and get out'. When I say 'Scientology' I refer to the body of knowledge applied by a group using that title (as distinguished from some data and other independents etc etc). You are wrong about Teril, I do not need his help. Ralph however, I have slowly grown to respect. He gives across some good data, sharp observations and trys new things. Alan, also I am finding has some excellent observations. He knows a lot more than he lets on. I have a greater understanding of why these two operate as they do.

My intuition told me who to trust and it has turned out to be true. I will never go against it in the future. Lesson learnt.

O.K. Steve. Now that everyone has auditioned for you, you are convening comm evs here. Take responsibilty for your findings and recs. Carry them with you wherever you go. T.I.

 

[Terril park]

Teril,

When I suggested bringing the 2-D along at the end, you guys were very panicky about it. You were even shocked at my suggestion that someone out there had agreed to audit him? And now he's receiving auditing from the group?

[snip

.... Oh and M called me the other morning several times letting me know about getting auditing. It was not his usual tone. I detected something in the voice. After the meeting with you, I know he nearly threw the towel in on getting auditing. I am not suprised he is now receiving auditing from Victoria. The double sidedness of it all just stinks. (And not on his behalf either). You wanted absolutely nothing to do with M's 2-D, let alone him.

You view the world through multiple layers of conspiracy theories, eg considering the diamond on the IFA logo as being connected to weird stuff about Hitler thinking about crystals. Not to mention keys. You have shown that you view the world, scn, and the FZ through these various datums.
It amounts to fixed ideas.

I was so panicked and shocked that I went along with you to meet M, and his girlfriend. You acknowledged he threatened me, you know he worked with OSA.

And now you know he and his girlfriend are being handled in the freezone by a good friend of mine. We reach the cases others can't reach.

M is very keen now on getting trained as an auditor.

And you just sit here casting stones!

 

[Zinjifar]

You view the world through multiple layers of conspiracy theories, eg considering the diamond on the IFA logo as being connected to weird stuff about Hitler thinking about crystals. Not to mention keys. You have shown that you view the world, scn, and the FZ through these various datums.
It amounts to fixed ideas.

What could possibly be more appropriate in considering the 'Freezone' or Scientology itself as the subject?

How else *can* it be done?

Zinj

 

[nw2394]

He is quite a likable character once one gets used to his idiosyncrasies.

Don't worry about RolandRB

Ah. OK.

Nick

 

[nw2394]

How else *can* it be done?

It is true that, to evaluate a datum one needs a datum of comparable magnitude. And, further, when new to a subject, there isn't really any choice but to use comparable data from outside that subject.

However, one can unknowingly use false data for the comparison.

And one can also simply bring too much bagage to the new subject. One of the more challenging aspects of learning a new subject is unlearning, or at least "leaving at home", an older similar subject.

Nick

 

[RolandRB]

The last time I met Roland was in Munich nearly 10 years ago. Despite the watered down beer they serve to the English tourists I never saw him manage to drink more than 2 gallons.

The time before was in a pub a couple of doors down from the London org where he was telling me about his escapades in Space Opera.

He is quite a likable character once one gets used to his idiosyncrasies.

My beer-drinking days have been brought to an end after the removal of my colon (all that's left is a short connecting piece). As for the space-opera stuff, if you stay away from Scientology, and especially the harmful practice known as "auditing", then all the space opera and past life stuff fades away into nothing. You end up with a less-confused person in the absence of Scientology. True in my case and I sure it would be true for anyone else.

I feel sorry for the guy who started this thread because it seems to me that the person has been driven partly insane through Scientology. And instead of people recognizing that and leaving him well alone, they have continued down the path of driving him insane, perhaps because this is considered "normal" by those doing it.

I note how the freezone groups tend to fall apart unless they are given some sort of unquestionable structure such as in the Ron's Org. That tells me that there is nothing worthwhile in it or like Dennis Erlich explained, picking out the good parts of Scientology is like trying to pick raisins out of turds.

Perhaps Scientologists should try to emulate chimpanzees. It seems from recent experiments done that they have better recall than humans so perhaps they are closer to being Clear. Perhaps they can even exhibit OT powers under controlled conditions and can levitate bananas.

 

[Veda]

It is true that, to evaluate a datum one needs a datum of comparable magnitude. And, further, when new to a subject, there isn't really any choice but to use comparable data from outside that subject.

However, one can unknowingly use false data for the comparison.

And one can also simply bring too much bagage to the new subject. One of the more challenging aspects of learning a new subject is unlearning, or at least "leaving at home", an older similar subject.

Nick

The organization of Scientology was - in its final (1960s/70s) formulation - designed in the pattern of a "covert operation." And the subject of Scientology also followed that pattern.

It multi-layered, compartmentalized, overt, covert, loud, distracting, sneaky, manipulative.

Not seeing that doesn't make it "go away."

Read the 'Bolivar' PL, and Hubbard's instructions re. running Scientology as a "tight conspiracy."

Hubbard was obsessed with the idea of conspiracy, with covert games and trickery. That was his thing. He saw it in others, and adopted it as his main tactic to fight those others.

It was the number one "enemy tactic" that (per his own confidential instructions of "using enemy tactics") was to be used to fight - control or overwhelm - not only his many "enemies," but "wogs" generally, and - yes - the loyal Scientologists also.

You've got yourself a dysfunctional guru and a dysfunctional subject in Scientology. That's just the way it is.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Perhaps Scientologists should try to emulate chimpanzees. It seems from recent experiments done that they have better recall than humans so perhaps they are closer to being Clear.

That is a rather wide generalization from the actual experiment of, if I recall it correctly, teaching some young chimps the numbers 1-9, then showing a 3x3 grid containing the numbers in random order for 2/10 or 4/10 of a second then replacing the numbers with blank squares, and having the subject (chimp or college student) touch the squares in the order 1, 2, 3 etc. That chimp's mother did not out-perform the college students.

Not quite the same as recalling a time you were happy and telling the auditor about it.

I don't know about you, but I have found it quite embarrassing competing against 12 year olds in some mental contests.

Paul

 

[RolandRB]

That is a rather wide generalization from the actual experiment of, if I recall it correctly, teaching some young chimps the numbers 1-9, then showing a 3x3 grid containing the numbers in random order for 2/10 or 4/10 of a second then replacing the numbers with blank squares, and having the subject (chimp or college student) touch the squares in the order 1, 2, 3 etc. That chimp's mother did not out-perform the college students.

Not quite the same as recalling a time you were happy and telling the auditor about it.

I don't know about you, but I have found it quite embarrassing competing against 12 year olds in some mental contests.

Paul

For 12 year olds, their GE implants were probably not keyed in by that stage.

 

[Steven James]

Teril,

you were absolutely blown away from anyway actually wanting to audit this guy. That is from when I told you in Bente's kitchen. You didn't think anyone would ever take him. Neither C or C wanted anything to do with him. 'Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole' was one comment. 'I will never supervise him' was another. The Freezone can handle all cases? Is that antagonism? What about all those people that came along to Pembury who left due to a lack of delivery and ethics and left Pembury with no students or PC's? (AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. I picked up a lot from Student indicators and how that Dianetics Today course was being shoved down peoples throats). He did say 'put me on the cans, what have you got to lose?'

And now he is part of the group? I really like the guy, but as I said, I recognised a change in his voice when he left me voicemail and I decided not to respond, whereas I normally would. When I was emailing you suggesting just inviting his 2-D, the three of you (C&C2) were in fear and panicking and sending all sorts of back channel communications, only snippets of which I was privy to. It just shows the bare faced lying, social tone and two facedness that it takes to keeps PC's and student in the seat long enough to make the group seem apparently active until the next load of people are recycled.

Illusionness, before you accuse others of being confused you should handle your own. If you are ever in London you are more than welcome to look me in the eye and tell me what you see. I do not need Teril's help. Please don't insult me. I have been down that road for a year and a half and most of it what I got was from things I could have done at home.

Trust you Teril to nullify everything down to something small and simple. I was pointing out the group history and psychology behind those symbols and the connections they have with the groups that carried the Scientology data prior to Hubbard and the theft of that data and very clear repositioning of the symbols. You said yourself the SO had approached the OTO for data. IFA through M.Moore has also put new age propaganda that very neatly hides the source of the tech (Zeitgeist) by nullifying several historical facts in the history of the tech (I know, as I carried the data in Egypt).

Illusionness, you are very possibly right about Robertson and the past. I believe 'channelling' to be concerned with the past (despite the seer believing it to be the present) and telepathy to be concerned with PT communications. All descriptions of Robertson have been used with the word channelling. I believe it is from within the pattern of the trap.

 

[Terril park]

Teril,

you were absolutely blown away from anyway actually wanting to audit this guy. That is from when I told you in Bente's kitchen. You didn't think anyone would ever take him. Neither C or C wanted anything to do with him. 'Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole' was one comment. 'I will never supervise him' was another. The Freezone can handle all cases? Is that antagonism? What about all those people that came along to Pembury who left due to a lack of delivery and ethics and left Pembury with no students or PC's? (AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. I picked up a lot from Student indicators and how that Dianetics Today course was being shoved down peoples throats). He did say 'put me on the cans, what have you got to lose?'

And now he is part of the group? I really like the guy, but as I said, I recognised a change in his voice when he left me voicemail and I decided not to respond, whereas I normally would. When I was emailing you suggesting just inviting his 2-D, the three of you (C&C2) were in fear and panicking and sending all sorts of back channel communications, only snippets of which I was privy to. It just shows the bare faced lying, social tone and two facedness that it takes to keeps PC's and student in the seat long enough to make the group seem apparently active until the next load of people are recycled.
[snip]

Trust you Teril to nullify everything down to something small and simple. I was pointing out the group history and psychology behind those symbols and the connections they have with the groups that carried the Scientology data prior to Hubbard and the theft of that data and very clear repositioning of the symbols. You said yourself the SO had approached the OTO for data. IFA through M.Moore has also put new age propaganda that very neatly hides the source of the tech (Zeitgeist) by nullifying several historical facts in the history of the tech (I know, as I carried the data in Egypt).

[snip]

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You know this guy worked with OSA. His statements are still to be found on the OSA website freezone survivors. You know he asked if I trusted him, and
I asked " why should I when I last saw you working with OSA. " You know he then threatened me. He thought I would stop him getting onto Pierre's lines.

He might have said I was wrong, please forgive, or any variant of that. But he threatened me instead.

Wasn't me who then ran away!!

The course sup was also there when he picketed the FZ conference with OSA. Little suprise he dosn't want such a person in his course room.

He then arrived on Pierre's C/S lines. Pierre is willing to handle any case.

And I made no attempt to prevent that.

You see we are pretty liberal.

You earlier commented on the Dianetics Today course as being from the Netherlands and being " Stuffed down" peoples throats.

It was an LRH book! Cancelled primarily because it had LRH C/Ses for those above clear for dianetics. The Dianetics data was as normal. It had an easy runway, of basic study manual, minimal meter drills, and basically the HSDC.

With regard to the SO appoaching OTO for data, their " shore story" was
that they wanted more bridge. I always said I thought the request for all archival material to do with Hubbard was so they could legally suppress forthcoming books on Jack Parsons and his relationship to Hubbard, as authors couldn't then quote documented sources. This failed. The former OTO
" Mission Holder" who told me this agreed with me.

As you state you are privy to tech from historical Egypt, please enlighten us further on that.

 

[Ralph Hilton]

You earlier commented on the Dianetics Today course as being from the Netherlands and being " Stuffed down" peoples throats.

It was an LRH book! Cancelled primarily because it had LRH C/Ses for those above clear for dianetics. The Dianetics data was as normal. It had an easy runway, of basic study manual, minimal meter drills, and basically the HSDC.

It was cancelled because LRH revised Dianetics in 1978 and developed a much more workable version. Why promote tech that doesn't work as well?

Terril! You keep on promoting anything that walks and talks. You show no ability to differentiate in the tech and almost zero understanding of it. You just blindly promote anything!

You are rapidly gaining a reputation as the village idiot and unfortunately tend to taint the whole FZ with your naivety.

Before you set foot on ars the FZ was not considered to be a bad thing.

Along comes old flat footed Terril with his bozo success stories and fucks up everything. Now, on ars, Terril represents the FZ with his PR bullshit. Same bullshit PR as the CofS.

Wonderful Freezone successes = 2 guys studying 5 hours every 2 weeks in Terril's bedroom and a part time taxi driver as an auditor occasionally. Can't even manage a TR's course in England so the guy from Channel 4 had to get on a slow train to Russia for his intro!

The UK FZ scene seems to consist mainly of cheapskates forever trying to scrounge everything as cheaply as possible while contributing as little as they can toward establishment.

I left the UK scene 10 years ago. Its only a short flight from Stanstead to Graz for those who actually want to make progress.

 

[Terril park]

It was cancelled because LRH revised Dianetics in 1978 and developed a much more workable version. Why promote tech that doesn't work as well?

Terril! You keep on promoting anything that walks and talks. You show no ability to differentiate in the tech and almost zero understanding of it. You just blindly promote anything!

You are rapidly gaining a reputation as the village idiot and unfortunately tend to taint the whole FZ with your naivety.

Before you set foot on ars the FZ was not considered to be a bad thing.

Along comes old flat footed Terril with his bozo success stories and fucks up everything. Now, on ars, Terril represents the FZ with his PR bullshit. Same bullshit PR as the CofS.

Wonderful Freezone successes = 2 guys studying 5 hours every 2 weeks in Terril's bedroom and a part time taxi driver as an auditor occasionally. Can't even manage a TR's course in England so the guy from Channel 4 had to get on a slow train to Russia for his intro!

The UK FZ scene seems to consist mainly of cheapskates forever trying to scrounge everything as cheaply as possible while contributing as little as they can toward establishment.

I left the UK scene 10 years ago. Its only a short flight from Stanstead to Graz for those who actually want to make progress.

When "flat footed Terril with his Bozo success stories and fucks up everything" came along I was promoting your success stories, among others, for years and you were most appreciative, and after you destroyed a forum you still wanted me to do so.

I post stories un edited, real and mostly spontaneous posts. Always have, your's included. Theta if you will. Believe them or not as one wills. I don't initiate attacks on others.

That you position such with COS bullshit is plain black PR and you are in fact positioning all the success stories I wrote from your clients also as COS
bullshit. Including my own I might add.

You are denigrating all other FZ activity, and throwing insults in order to promote your own services.

So its UK is wrong, you are right!

 

[The Oracle]

Well I have a success story to share today. My husband went clear today.

Thanks to everyone in the Freezone for keeping the porchlight on and the fires burning!

He is one keyed out happy man!

T.I.

 

[Zinjifar]

Well I have a success story to share today. My husband went clear today.

Thanks to everyone in the Freezone for keeping the porchlight on and the fires burning!

He is one keyed out happy man!

T.I.

Well, congratulations to him, but, how does that compare to the hundreds who've gone 'Clear' 3 or 4 or 5 times?

Does the Scienonaut ever qualify for the label 'Clear Ace'?

Zinj

 

[Terril park]

Well I have a success story to share today. My husband went clear today.

Thanks to everyone in the Freezone for keeping the porchlight on and the fires burning!

You've created so much yourself on this area! Maybe more than you
realise.

He is one keyed out happy man!

So happy for you both.

T.I.[/QUOTE]

 

[The Oracle]

Success story on clear

Thanks BB! Here is the success story:

I will start with a few words of encouragment to those on your way to clear:
It is worth all your efforts. You owe it to yourself and deserve it.
I know from experience it is not always easy to succeed on your own in the 'free zone'. My wife - my guardian angel - watched over my back every step of the way so I could arrive here. Her cool sense of right from wrong and continous care to make sure we are in-tech was essential. I am expressing my eternal gratefullness now not just to thank her but to warn all of you out there.
If it wasn't for her I think my progress would be bogged now.
Out tech can be very discouraging and prevent/slow/invalidate your case gain.
When in doubt find someone knowledgable of the tech to give you advice.
Make sure your auditor is being CS-ed at all times.
Trust yourself when you feel something is not right and correct it.
Read the auditors code so you know when one violates it.

Now for the state of clear:

Whether I sit down in a quiet space or engage in a busy area my mind is calm and ready with all my analitical power at my will. I was not always like this. Quite frequently even in the happiest most keyed-out states in my life random pictures, sounds, thoughts or feelings used to surface in my mind seemingly out of nowhere. At best they would throw my attention off for a moment at worst
they would get my mood down and disperse my attention seriously. It was like an almost constant interferrence like a background noise. Most of the time I was able to dismiss such 'randomly presented' stuff and be back to my thread with little distraction. This annoying and concerning habit of my mind would influence my actions. I would always have some kind of an explanation for my abberated conduct.
All that is gone now. This is clear. No more noise just me and my thoughts confronting the present.
The past is settled and its pictures, sounds, thoughts or feelings are not presented to my mind randomly anymore. They are still there available to my mind but since they have been confronted and are As-is -ed they are only available in an orderly logical manner as all mental image pictures are meant to be.
As LRH said the mind is utterly incapable of error. It is then the data accepted in the mind (the data in the reactive bank) is what makes the one abberated.
I now realize how precious DATA really is. Any mistake in assimilation can and will cause abberation when that data is needed.
My DATA is now sorted and are where they belong and I intend to keep it tat way.
This state is where we all belong and we must help each other and ourselves to get there.