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Discussion in 'Mike Rinders Blog' started by RSS Feed, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Oh my. Its not just green volumes that are gone, I am being told all red volumes are gone from all auditing rooms and that these are no longer for sale in book stores.

    I have not double checked on this but for sure the red volumes are not for sale anymore at Bridge Publications.

    Key to Life ~~ gone and cancelled.
    Life Orientation Course ~~ gone and cancelled
    Green Volumes (policy OECs) gone and vanished
    Red Volumes apparently gone.

    Helluva Hoax more analysis needed !

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  2. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on



    Reading all the red and green volumes was the biggest win I have ever
    had on the wholetrack. I used to feel so introverted and guilty about
    things I have done. But in all the millions of words contained in
    HCO Bulletins and HCO Policies, Ron never even once mentions
    anything about cheating on my wife with gay guys or sexually
    molesting hunky masseurs. So, what the hell am I even
    having any shame, blame & regret about because
    those are just reactive, down-tone, introverting
    dramatizations. With that devT off my lines
    I can get back to Clearing the planet and
    making sure that Ethics is put in on
    this planet---on this planet.
    Much Love & Theta!
    John Travolta


    Yeah, so I know that was cynical and I am going to hell for posting entheta about a super-uptsat OT celebrity. So what?
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  3. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Are they even conducting auditor training any more?

    Actually, I could see dispensing with physical books if you could have them on a Kindle or iPad, or otherwise electronically searchable.

    But I don't think that's what they're doing.
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  4. HelluvaHoax!

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    Here on earth, there is a name for those kind of people.


    Non-Anaten Beings.

    The other 97.5% are members in good-standing with the COS (Cult of Somnambulists).

    PRO-TIP TO CULT STRAGGLERS: Be sure to use your Self-Analysis Wheel when you are recalling & rehabbing your supernatural powers. The "perceptics" will help you vividly remember your miraculous wins, on this planet!
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  5. HelluvaHoax!

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    The reason the cult has VANISHED & REMOVED over 10,000,000 words contained in polices, PABs, bulletins and other written scripture is this.


    EXPLANATION: The cult knows everything they are saying & selling is a lie, so they are graciously removing everything that's not true, which is essentially every single word Hubbard wrote.
  6. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    This brings me to those Titanium Plates buried in those vaults

    Very heavy sales pressure *regging* was done to scoop in $$$ for these Titanium plates.
    In fact you could not get a sign off to leave the Flag Land Base without coughing up a good donation for the titanium plates.
    These titanium plates had all the tech engraved on them, so nothing would be lost in case of a nuclear holocaust.


    GOLDEN AGE OF TECH over-rode the earlier tech which did not even have 3 rhythmic swings of the needle !
    Therefore earlier Titanium plates had to be re-done with more regging and more $$$$. Now that green and red volumes are withdrawn...what about the Titanium plates ? Is all that Out Tech ?


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  7. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    What about Research and Discovery volumes?

    A ton of work had gone into these...

    But WoW......all Green and Red Volumes gone....WTF!

    I remember some event where the leadership bragged about how much work they had done to track down every scrap of paper and verify all Red Volume stuff....for the FIRST golden age of vol re-release...
  8. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Outwardly Hubbard gave much credence to delegation. Per policy:

    You couldn't get a vacation or change posts without writing up your hat so someone else could do it.

    An executive in a Scientology organization is considered doomed to failure if they can't delegate.

    The concept of flowing power in Scientology includes taking over responsibility for things that burden your senior.

    You are not supposed to bypass people because that unmocks their post, puts them in a condition of non-existence and pulls you down into holding lower posts from above.

    This all makes sense on some level except in application Hubbard went out of his way to violate all of these precepts and make this impossible. I think the BPLs (Board Policy Letters) which were cancelled, because they weren't supposedly pure Hubbard like HCOPLs, were written during a time when Hubbard magnanimously still tried to give the appearance of following some of his own "stated" principles but I expect that by the time they were cancelled around 1980 the militant Sea Org had been running things for 12 years, he was in bad shape physically and much more paranoid than his usual paranoia and sensing his last days were near didn't want all these issues out there with other people's names on them to muddy his immortality project.

    This stuff is supposed to constitute their sacred scriptures isn't it? How sacred is it if it can be cancelled and revised at will? I guess they use something like COB Executive Directives now but will future court cases be expected to regard those as sacred scriptures as well?

    From all accounts the lessons Hubbard tried to portray about delegating have been totally lost on current management - or, current management is the more accurate representation of Hubbard's true position on delegating.
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  9. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Karen, this is all very curious to me. :hmm:

    Do you think DM did this to protect himself and COS because of that HUGE lawsuit on behalf of those it hurt and abused?
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  10. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    Are they packing all the red and green volumes into the Starship Bulgravia for a quick getaway to Target 2?
  11. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Sheila and Wilbur,
    We can only judge based on past conduct. Typically this means these volumes are under re- re - revision and new monies will be required to buy the new editions a la "Basics" repackaging of older books.
    They can also slap on *COPYRIGHTS* newly as old copyrights fizzle out in 50 years, no ?
    My speculation is as good as yours

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  12. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    If I took over a religious mafia from a Don who didn't care about the legal liabilities of his official written policies and it was starting to look like the possibility of jury trials with several hundred million dollar judgements were becoming more likely, I'd spend some of that up front to have my lawyers review everything.

    I doubt that they stopped doing the RPF for PR reasons so much as their lawyers were telling them it was time to make that and a lot of other things quietly go away.

    I've often wondered how their lawyers could tolerate that kind of behavior in a client. Of course there are lawyers who are comfortable representing the mob so I guess it shouldn't be very surprising but drug cartels aren't obsessed with putting all their policy in writing on official forms embossed with the cartel's corporate seal and their equivalent of El Chapo's signature.

  13. HelluvaHoax!

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    Surreptitiously Sealed in a Shadowy Super Secret Site


  14. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    If the post-apocalyptic people who find them are primitive they will say, "Hey guys! We get titanium arrow heads!"

    If they are advanced they will say, "Hey guys! Now we know what happened!"
  15. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    I think you're right Karen. Miscavige must be having them revised AGAIN.But it's strange that the Briefing Course, KTL/LOC AND red/green volumes have all been pulled. If he was sensible, he'd do them one at a time, whilst continuing to charge parishioners for buying the other ones, which is what they've always done. Of course, now they have a more important product to sell in high volumes (the product of RIP-OFF EXCHANGE - you give me money, and in return I get you to sign forms, which you don't get a copy of, waiving your right to ever get a refund). Perhaps they have decided that selling bowling trophies for $1m a pop is the only product they need now.

    He only has to hoodwink existing parishioners until his death. After that, it can all go to hell.

    But if it's true that the Briefing Course, KTL/LOC AND red/green volumes have all been pulled (and some have said that the Class VIII course has also gone), then we can probably expect a new wave of people blowing in the near future.
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  16. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    If their lawyers can tolerate them stalking former high-ranking members and family members of Miscavige and Hubbard for years on end with PIs, using tax-exempt dollars, then I think it's safe to say they can tolerate anything (so long as the checks clear the bank in timely fashion).

    Presumably their logic has been that, as it's all 'scriptures', and the author of those scriptures is now sainted, it doesn't really matter what's written. Which provides an added incentive to ensure that everything is 'written' by LRH.
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  17. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    Well, look on the bright side. When current members start to wonder where they can get their red/green volumes from, now that the CoS isn't selling them, they can be directed to Ron's Org, who presumably ARE still providing them. Then they can follow Parmesan Astar for a few years, while they figure out they've been grifted.
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  18. TheOriginalBigBlue

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    Very good point. The Quran is full of instructions on fair game which are still adhered to by many followers and because Muhammad is dead and sainted our governments give it special deference. Which is why they should be more careful about letting new cults get away with emulating those precedents before they are grandfathered in by the IRS. The IRS knew about all these abuses long before giving them tax exempt status so now the onus is on them.
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  19. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    NOW for even *MORE*

    LOC and Key to Life and gone forever. Never to be replaced.
    Green volumes removed from all Qual Libraries and so on. No longer available at Bridge publications.
    Red volumes removed from all auditing rooms. No longer available at Bridge publications.


    NO Saint Hill Special Briefing Course.
    Course Room closed ~~ for at least 3-4 years.

    No Class VIII course in existence for some years


    On the other hand, what DOES exist ?
    Beefed up areas for IAS International Association of Scientologists regges to gouge huge donations for no exchange or service.
    IAS now given its own building in the PAC base complex, side by side with AOLA. (I used to work there ~~ its at least 10,000 sq feet.)

    IAS regges successful extort minimally 10s of 1000s of $$ at a time, often more.

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  20. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    It was obvious , after the whole Iddle morgue projet begsn that the cult was morphing into a real estate owning corporation.

    Si why bother doit audition and training when it's so time consuming for recrutement opportunities are lessen and lessen.

    Old buildings bought and donated by "parishioners" and full renovated with slave work and then rent to morgues is d'au more profitable.

    I donner when the start To sell those black and make huge profits, what will happen with IRS and their status.
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