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Hatshepsut

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I have a lot of Alan Watts. You are quoting him at his very best. At any age, reading him, one has to STOP and digest what one is really DOING....being here. :)
 
thanks for being so considerate, Gary, but I would prefer if you go and spread the word that I am not, nor have I ever been one of those mindless robotic scientologists.



Better yet, PH, demand to see the goldenrod. If they want to "declare you" for daring to live your own life make 'em back it up in writing. :D

love,
Mark A. Baker
 
Bloody brilliant, Ted.

This is a very right item.

The ideal scenario is for a Being to be able to permeate and be at one with and in harmony with all. Then there can be the loving and harmonious action of influencing.

When in that position of loving "oneness" one is most easily duplicated. And one can most easily, and actually only then, can truly duplicate and get the actual truth of things.

So, "being three feet behind" or out of anything is really a losing proposition destined to cause strife.

But by the same token one does not have to be "in" the thing . . . one can be bigger than it while permeating it within oneself.

Rog

Don't know, Rog. "Disconnected" has a lot going for it too. :whistling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTiyLuZOs1A

Mark A. Baker
 

Here in my advancing senility I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that I wasted a LOT of time earlier in my life NOT dating catholic girls; the "downside" of dharma. :bigcry:


Mark A. Baker :duh:
p.s that's not true in the Woody Allen quote posted by Hat about Socrates.

All historic indications are that Socrates, although an admirer of masculine qualities & male beauty as was common among greeks at the time, preferred not to engage in homosexual, or pederast activities. This despite the fact that there was no social or legal bar to such behavior at that time. He openly admired and praised both men & boys for their gifts, especially as those gifts accorded with the greek ideals of the virtues becoming to a man. However, apparently he never sought to sexualize those relationships despite many clear opportunities available to him to do so.
 
When I see the party lines on "exteriorization" it sounds more and more to me like varying degrees of psychological dissociation. :confused2:

Couldn't disagree more. The clinical definition makes it quite clear that dissociative disorders result in the IMPAIRMENT of mental function and NOT it's enhancement.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294508-overview

http://www.myshrink.com/counseling-theory.php?t_id=13

Exteriorization in my experience is typically associated with a very much heightened state of lucidity & mental function. Ergo, ipso facto, it is not "dissociation". Calling it such is just a pseudo-scientific attempt to dismiss a genuine subjective phenomena for which materialist disciplines can not otherwise account.


Mark A. Baker
 
Couldn't disagree more. The clinical definition makes it quite clear that dissociative disorders result in the IMPAIRMENT of mental function and NOT it's enhancement.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294508-overview

http://www.myshrink.com/counseling-theory.php?t_id=13

Exteriorization in my experience is typically associated with a very much heightened state of lucidity & mental function. Ergo, ipso facto, it is not "dissociation". Calling it such is just a pseudo-scientific attempt to dismiss a genuine subjective phenomena for which materialist disciplines can not otherwise account.


Mark A. Baker
I go along with Mark on this. if you read the Playboy interview with Jackie stewart around the mid 1970s ( I haven't read it since then), he could experience race car fans pulling for him or against him as he drove by at 180 MPH.

John Brodie and Gene Washington of the 1970's San Francisco Forty - Niners had a ball, thrown by John to Gene literally (in the game film) jump over an interceptors hands to Gene. You won't find that in print. I just remember it from the period.

When Barry Bonds was hitting home runs, time had to be very slow for him to so clearly see the ball and hit it out.

These are things that athletes do talk about.

Call it what you will, but it is out of the ordinary perception. It is anything but dis associative. It is all pervading awareness.

I had a girl friend, Laurie Noonan, who when she was a kid, would ride outside of the school bus (with her body on board inside he bus)

Bob Adams, a former Niner and Steeler used to go up to the ceiling with his brother when they were kids (without their bodies).
 

Stat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Heart-warming.

You guys are very good people. I know it's random and may be out of nowhere. Just feel like telling you that :) Keep it going.
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Slaughtering Sacred Cows

Time for another BBQ.

"When in doubt, communicate."

Among other things, Hubbard was a buffoon, an aggressive yet cowardly, buffoon amongst the general populace.

Well, I have to admit, I wasn't there so I do not have a direct perception of the man. This is how it adds up in my mind after reading about his social interactions outside of Scientology and about some of those experiences while he was running from the law.

Anyway, there are two different flows or scenarios on this: You are in a power position, or not. This will determine whose mind or allegiance changes. It will determine who stays and who goes.

"When in doubt, communicate," its just an ad slogan. Here's what I have found to be true -- your findings may differ:

If not in a power position, when in doubt, observe. Look, listen... Find your safe point. Now communicate! Or don't. One can just quietly walk away. Just following the ad slogan can lead to a mess of trouble and make you look like a buffoon.
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
When in doubt communicate?

Time for another BBQ.

"When in doubt, communicate."

Among other things, Hubbard was a buffoon, an aggressive yet cowardly, buffoon amongst the general populace.

Well, I have to admit, I wasn't there so I do not have a direct perception of the man. This is how it adds up in my mind after reading about his social interactions outside of Scientology and about some of those experiences while he was running from the law.

Anyway, there are two different flows or scenarios on this: You are in a power position, or not. This will determine whose mind or allegiance changes. It will determine who stays and who goes.

"When in doubt, communicate," its just an ad slogan. Here's what I have found to be true -- your findings may differ:

If not in a power position, when in doubt, observe. Look, listen... Find your safe point. Now communicate! Or don't. One can just quietly walk away. Just following the ad slogan can lead to a mess of trouble and make you look like a buffoon.

Ted, as has been true for the last many months, your posts tend to make a lot of sense. Your "When in doubt, communicate!" post is no exception. For the last 40 years, I have combined this maxim, or ad slogan, as you call it. with another LRH datum, "Communication is the universal solvent." Empirically, the results have been impressive for me, I would guess that well over 90% of the time, applying "When in doubt, communitcate!" has worked for me.

The few failures where this did not work have arisen when I have not been in power in an area but communicated boldly anyway. Also, as you suggest, when the maxim has not worked, the consequences have been major and have led to me being booted out of a group or organization.

In my CCLA story told here on this thread, starting on page 5, I applied the maxim twice with disasterous results:

#1. When Keeler would not graduate me from the Dianetic Internship, I routed myself into Ethics and accused Keeler of being out Ethics to CC's Master at Arms. Apparently, this knowledge was fed back to Keeler and he immediately issued a fitness board on me to have me kicked out of the Sea Org! I was able to stay in the Sea Org by reposting to Treasury Division but I was removed from Tech Training permanently.

#2. When Yvonne Jentzsch scolded me severely for there not being toilet paper in the bathrooms of the Celebrity Centre, I chose to communicate and assert that I was innocent of anything to do with this situation. She did not want to hear this from me but then I TR 3'd it and for that I was permanently removed from being an executive at CCLA, instead being the Junior to an 18 year old completely unhatted nitwit, Kitty Georgius.

All the other instances of communication without being in a Power position have to do with giving too much information and blabbing on endlessly about people, times, places, forms and events without considering the possible security ramifications. Many of these instances are chronicled right here on this thread.

SUMMARYThe maxim, "When in doubt communicate!" has worked for me perhaps 90% of the time but on those 10% where it failed to work, the consequences were large and were disasterous. As you state, everytime I used the maxim and it did not work, I have had to go, i.e. leave a group where I held a firm position based on competence but was forced to vacate and be demoted to a position of lesser responsibility.
Lakey
 

Terril park

Sponsor
In my usual style, I will state my case with no ill will towards another's.

Exterior, yes, we discussed that. Alan contributed as did Enid Vien. I might have as well. I do not remember.

dynamism.org/articles/timeless.html

If you put all these references together you will likely find some crossover and some new stuff from each. LaMont's writing was always supportive of LRH and he leans closely to those references. ACW and Enid branched out on their own and added greatly to the knowledge and experience base. "Three feet behind" will work for some peeps and others will be led astray.

As for "being three feet in back of," on the outset this looks like a correct perspective especially when comparing that to pan-determinism and the subject of 8C. Yet, I find this concept lacking as it too closely relates to domination. The damnedest situation I ever experienced was working with Int. Management and even my own OEC trained staff and the field(!) where everyone seemed to be jockeying for that coveted position of control "three feet behind" my head. And not a damned one of those people could have done my job. How's that for potential 8C? Not too good, huh? Talk about the feeling or perception of BT's and clusters, well there it was right in PT.

As for me personally, I had a very tough time "going exterior." Objective processes drug on and on. Why? I am almost always cheerful, cooperative, and exterior! I am not three feet behind the head or body. I am all around it and definitely in it too. I am at the perceived center of the universe. That a human body happens to be there right now is but a matter of perception. AllThatIs is right here. How exterior is that?

To paraphrase Hubbard from some forgotten PL talking of "doing what one is doing while one is doing it," when being a human being, BE A HUMAN BEING.

A being is "exterior" to anything it is looking at or otherwise perceiving. People are always asking to prove this exterior state. To that I say, "Okay. First tell me what you have going on that will prove to me that you are interior." It helps in figuring out their reference points and hidden standards.

Being "three feet behind" is, itself, a hidden standard. Not to invalidate your perceptions at all. I just think that we might not be speaking the same language when it comes to this subject.

Edith writes beautifully, and I can understand her far more readily than I could understand Alan re the written word.

What is she doing now, you in contact?

There is of course the concept that we can be nothing but exterior.
I believe there is some, a lot of truth in that.

When I refer to " 3 feet back of my head" I'm referring to the result aimed for in auditing.

It is of course used as a concept of control, which I am not referring to.

Hubbard said that one could manage things better being " 3 feet back" .
I found that to be true.


The ability to relocate ones viewpoint at will seems a good one to have.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Time for another BBQ.

"When in doubt, communicate."

Among other things, Hubbard was a buffoon, an aggressive yet cowardly, buffoon amongst the general populace.

Well, I have to admit, I wasn't there so I do not have a direct perception of the man. This is how it adds up in my mind after reading about his social interactions outside of Scientology and about some of those experiences while he was running from the law.

Anyway, there are two different flows or scenarios on this: You are in a power position, or not. This will determine whose mind or allegiance changes. It will determine who stays and who goes.

"When in doubt, communicate," its just an ad slogan. Here's what I have found to be true -- your findings may differ:

If not in a power position, when in doubt, observe. Look, listen... Find your safe point. Now communicate! Or don't. One can just quietly walk away. Just following the ad slogan can lead to a mess of trouble and make you look like a buffoon.

Your expansion of this is excellent and true.

However the " slogan" will probably gain you more by using it than any
adverse effects. Foe example one sees a beautiful girl at a party, one is a bit shy maybe, a bit scared of a rebuff maybe, but just going up and saying hallo
has far more possibilities than not communicating.

By the time you may reach a safe point the party could be over. :)
 

Terril park

Sponsor
From the archives of ACT and reposted then by Ted by coinincidence.



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Ted Crammer View profile
More options Jun 17 2004, 2:58 am

From the archives:

+++
Homer,

This is an article I have been unwilling to write up until this point. I
have been unwilling to write it because the data herein might give
certain individuals hidden standards which then might impede their case
gain. Having reviewed some of what has been written about
exteriorization, I thought it best that I share some of my personal
experience on the subject.

As an aside, I was assigned the task of cleaning up Old Dianeticists at
ASHO back in 1968, because apparently, I had a rapport with "Old Timers"
that many newer auditors didn't have.

"Drug" and "sex" experiences and 'experiments' "on the meter" or "in
session" were pretty much a common practice among many of the old-time
dianeticists, so I had the opportunity to clean up many "trained"
dianeticists, session and auditor ARC breaks, rehabs, and overt-withhold
phenomena.

They were all quite happy with the auditing and the out-come. I had
better than a 96% signup ratio, having handled more than fifty of these
guys, in 1968.

VARIOUS TYPES OF EXTERIORIZATION

1. OUT OF BODY - this is a state wherein the individual appears to self
as a collected spheric center of knowingness-awareness at a distance
from the body, looking at the body from across a distance in the
physical universe. Also known as "Spirit Travel" (but this state has
nothing to do with an 'astral plane'. This state is happening in the
"Physical Universe Now").

2. MULTIPLE OOB VIEWPOINTS - this state is similar to 1. above, however,
the individual appears to be viewing one or more spheric centers, each
with images of the physical universe in them, and each operating in a
slightly different time frame (shutter effect or strobe effect). My
experience with this state is that it has to do with other sentient
identities in and around the body, and self's 'telepathic' connection to
them.

3. "FLICKERING UNIVERSE" - this state has the individual out of the body
and experiencing time and motion in a jerky, 'frame-by-frame' manner. It
is simply out-of-body-but-not-really-tracking-with-the-physical
universe.

4. NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE - this state has great numbers of phenomena
connected to it. It's ok but I prefer the standard OOB exteriorization
for day to day living, personally.

5. REDUCED TO AN ATOM - this exteriorization finds the individual
perceiving the universe from a minute viewpoint. Molecules take on the
size of planets, and this is definitely an inverted state, but can be
fun if you're into that kind of thing.

6. MAGNIFICENT GODHOOD - this exteriorization finds the entirety of the
physical universe encompassed by one and within one, such that this
galaxy appears as if it were a spot on the pinky nail of the hand. In
this state one perceives "all that is" as Self, knowingly and at cause.
The very best, almost.

7. GRAY VOID - this exteriorization appears as if all is but a gray,
darkling void. Viewpoints appears as shiny silver dots. Communication is
rapid and all pervasive. It is a benign state, but kind of "eh, so
what".

8. PUSHED OUT BY COGNITION - this state appears at the end of a major,
stable win (at least it has for me, on many occasions). One appears to
assume a size of about 12-15 feet, and the physical unverse takes on the
appearance of a doll house in proportion to self. Sort of "Alice In
Wonderland" big. It's ok, and kind of exhilarating.

9. RED SHIFT EXTERIORIZATION - this state finds one passing through
something which appears like a red laser beam. In so doing, one travels
across parallel universes. Once adept at this type of exteriorization,
one can "shift" from one universe, to a slightly "different" universe,
with contingent "changes" apparent. Sort of like small changes which
offer other alternatives.

10. THEY ARE ALL DEAD - I would assume that this state is what some
might call a "bad trip". In this state, one is out of the body and
perceives that all other bodies are simply automatons, with no beingness
attached, no beings in sight, and just these zombie bodies roaming
around. The upshot is that one comes to grips with the mortality of the
body. It could also be exteriorized into an implant. Good learning
experience.

11. CONNECTED TO ALL LIFE - In this state one can perceive the crying of
children in Somalia, the clicks, snorts and whistles of whales, your
next door neighbors making love, individuals dying in the Alsace,
rodents scrambling around in the basement, microbes and elephants, and
one "hears" all of it at the same time - quite distinctly, as if one had
a thousand pairs of ears, all hearing uniquely and specifically at the
same time. Requires confront and responsibility.

12. FLYING AROUND THE PLANET - in this state, one "moves" from one
location in the physical universe to another simply by will, intention,
postulate or whatever. Happened during Power, for me. And since then it
has been a fun thing, except once while outside, I slid my car into a
tree which was somehow in the middle of a city block. Not bad - caught
it in time, no blood, no harm, no foul - just a dented beak on a '68
Mustang, is all. Lesson learned was do this one, when in a stationary
location, not while driving a car.

I am not going to list them all out. I have experienced PERSONALLY, all
the above many times, except 10. which I only experienced once, and that
was at the end of doing a specific objective process for 8 hours. I
decided the process was either unflat or overrun, so we rehabbed it, and
I have not experienced that exteriorization again.

When I speak of exteriorization, I speak of being outside or away from
the body, perceiving it at a distance, and knowingly doing so.

You may add this to your archives if you desire.

I have stated what I am interested in stating within the confines of
this memo. I have nothing further to add.

Love,

LaMont Johnson
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Happy time at the Getty Museum Yesterday!!

Yesterday was happy time for me and my friends. The everpresent Edey, now has a new boyfriend, Mike, courting her. Mike asked Edey on a date to go to the Getty and then go to dinner. Mike told Edey that she could invite whatever friends along that she wished and he would pick up the tab. Edey chose Lorinda and me to invite.

I mentioned this to Candy by phone, By chance, Candy had it on her "to do" list to take a client of hers who is in her care to the Getty. Candy, therefore, decided to take her client to the Getty on the day we would be there, reasoning that she would have some fun with us while discharging her employment duties. As a result, Candy arrived at the Getty just a few minutes after us and we met up with her and went around the Getty together with her and her client for about an hour and then went our separate ways.

Lots of great pictures were taken by Candy and Lorinda both, using their respective cameras. Candy and Lorinda are both on Facebook and are going to post these pictures there. If I can get Lorinda to email me the pictures as attachements to her email, then I can post them here with ease.

DINNER AT "THE STINKING ROSE" ON LA CIENEGA BLVD.
Mike had a dinner place in Pasadena in mind but the time was getting late and he suggested that we eat in L.A. I had eaten at The Stinking Rose only about 3 years ago with my ex wife, my daughter and my high school friend Ken Rothschild. We just loved the place and I always vowed that I would be back. I recommended the Stinking Rose to Mike and we headed over there.

BTW the Stinking Rose refers to garlic seasoning being a part of everything that restaurant serves. The four of us descended on that incredible restaurant, arriving at 6:15 and were seated immediately without a wait.

What a joyous experience it was! This was perhaps the most memorable dinner of my life. Great food, great ambiance and atmosphere, great and friendly service but most of all, the friendships of my two closest and dearest friends, Edey and Lorinda although Candy is moving towards making it my three dearest friends. Mike is an exceptional guy and he an I went a long way towards becomming good friends as well. All my new friends seemed to be women, lately, so it was good to make this connection with Mike!

Many more photos were taken at the Stinking Rose and will be out on Facebook and here as well. Lorinda took all the pictures except the ones we had the waiter take of the 4 of us. We all 4 want to come back to the Stinking Rose in the near future.

THE BEAUTY OF THE WOMEN - Edey and Lorinda, brought changes of clothes with them to the Getty in the trunk of Mike's car. After walking the Getty, the two women changed to evening attire. Mike is a good looking guy, looking a lot like Richard Gere and I am quite dapper myself - if only I took off about 40 pounds, I would be really "hot" for a youthful looking older man. When the 4 of us entered the restaurant, we looked like Celebrities, keyed by the two beautiful women. They are both extremely beautiful and really look like starlets or models or something of that nature. I still like being in the comppany of physcially beautiful women but these two are complete packages, very spiritual, very kind, caring and sensitive, very intelligent and both with great senses of humor. Everytime I go around with the two of them it is a memorable experience!! Having Mike there to share their company with me was a big plus as well.

I will tell you, on the morning of December 31, 2009, I was not friends with any of these people, i.e. Candy, Johnny, Joan, Edey, Lorinda and Mike. Now I am very close friends with all of them. Talk about enriching one's life! It is just a whole new life full of tremendous growth, learning and personal expansion. Every day is like being on Holiday.

Life on Earth does not have to be a living Hell. Great people are here on Earth and they are anxious to meet and hang out with other like minded people. My formula has been to help people, give them whatever I can give whether it is just listening and being there for them or giving them a massage or giving them a session. I have limited tech training but am an intuitive healer. I can usually help someone one way or the other. I do not ask for compensation, other than in friendship.

The more technically advanced friends of mine such as Candy can help me, mainly just by listening or giving me advice. Lorinda has the ability to help me casewise. She is an old soulmate going back earlier on the track. We must be from the same tribe or something like that because our moral codes and core values are virtually identical, our minds are very similar, we are always on the same page and we have almost full access to one another's minds and feelings. I have not experienced as much empathy with anyone else as I have with her.

Playing it cool, Cool Hand Lakey
 
From the archives of ACT and reposted then by Ted by coinincidence.



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Ted Crammer View profile
More options Jun 17 2004, 2:58 am

From the archives:

+++
Homer,

This is an article I have been unwilling to write up until this point. I
have been unwilling to write it because the data herein might give
certain individuals hidden standards which then might impede their case
gain. Having reviewed some of what has been written about
exteriorization, I thought it best that I share some of my personal
experience on the subject.

As an aside, I was assigned the task of cleaning up Old Dianeticists at
ASHO back in 1968, because apparently, I had a rapport with "Old Timers"
that many newer auditors didn't have.

"Drug" and "sex" experiences and 'experiments' "on the meter" or "in
session" were pretty much a common practice among many of the old-time
dianeticists, so I had the opportunity to clean up many "trained"
dianeticists, session and auditor ARC breaks, rehabs, and overt-withhold
phenomena.

They were all quite happy with the auditing and the out-come. I had
better than a 96% signup ratio, having handled more than fifty of these
guys, in 1968.

VARIOUS TYPES OF EXTERIORIZATION

1. OUT OF BODY - this is a state wherein the individual appears to self
as a collected spheric center of knowingness-awareness at a distance
from the body, looking at the body from across a distance in the
physical universe. Also known as "Spirit Travel" (but this state has
nothing to do with an 'astral plane'. This state is happening in the
"Physical Universe Now").

2. MULTIPLE OOB VIEWPOINTS - this state is similar to 1. above, however,
the individual appears to be viewing one or more spheric centers, each
with images of the physical universe in them, and each operating in a
slightly different time frame (shutter effect or strobe effect). My
experience with this state is that it has to do with other sentient
identities in and around the body, and self's 'telepathic' connection to
them.

3. "FLICKERING UNIVERSE" - this state has the individual out of the body
and experiencing time and motion in a jerky, 'frame-by-frame' manner. It
is simply out-of-body-but-not-really-tracking-with-the-physical
universe.

4. NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE - this state has great numbers of phenomena
connected to it. It's ok but I prefer the standard OOB exteriorization
for day to day living, personally.

5. REDUCED TO AN ATOM - this exteriorization finds the individual
perceiving the universe from a minute viewpoint. Molecules take on the
size of planets, and this is definitely an inverted state, but can be
fun if you're into that kind of thing.

6. MAGNIFICENT GODHOOD - this exteriorization finds the entirety of the
physical universe encompassed by one and within one, such that this
galaxy appears as if it were a spot on the pinky nail of the hand. In
this state one perceives "all that is" as Self, knowingly and at cause.
The very best, almost.

7. GRAY VOID - this exteriorization appears as if all is but a gray,
darkling void. Viewpoints appears as shiny silver dots. Communication is
rapid and all pervasive. It is a benign state, but kind of "eh, so
what".

8. PUSHED OUT BY COGNITION - this state appears at the end of a major,
stable win (at least it has for me, on many occasions). One appears to
assume a size of about 12-15 feet, and the physical unverse takes on the
appearance of a doll house in proportion to self. Sort of "Alice In
Wonderland" big. It's ok, and kind of exhilarating.

9. RED SHIFT EXTERIORIZATION - this state finds one passing through
something which appears like a red laser beam. In so doing, one travels
across parallel universes. Once adept at this type of exteriorization,
one can "shift" from one universe, to a slightly "different" universe,
with contingent "changes" apparent. Sort of like small changes which
offer other alternatives.

10. THEY ARE ALL DEAD - I would assume that this state is what some
might call a "bad trip". In this state, one is out of the body and
perceives that all other bodies are simply automatons, with no beingness
attached, no beings in sight, and just these zombie bodies roaming
around. The upshot is that one comes to grips with the mortality of the
body. It could also be exteriorized into an implant. Good learning
experience.

11. CONNECTED TO ALL LIFE - In this state one can perceive the crying of
children in Somalia, the clicks, snorts and whistles of whales, your
next door neighbors making love, individuals dying in the Alsace,
rodents scrambling around in the basement, microbes and elephants, and
one "hears" all of it at the same time - quite distinctly, as if one had
a thousand pairs of ears, all hearing uniquely and specifically at the
same time. Requires confront and responsibility.

12. FLYING AROUND THE PLANET - in this state, one "moves" from one
location in the physical universe to another simply by will, intention,
postulate or whatever. Happened during Power, for me. And since then it
has been a fun thing, except once while outside, I slid my car into a
tree which was somehow in the middle of a city block. Not bad - caught
it in time, no blood, no harm, no foul - just a dented beak on a '68
Mustang, is all. Lesson learned was do this one, when in a stationary
location, not while driving a car.

I am not going to list them all out. I have experienced PERSONALLY, all
the above many times, except 10. which I only experienced once, and that
was at the end of doing a specific objective process for 8 hours. I
decided the process was either unflat or overrun, so we rehabbed it, and
I have not experienced that exteriorization again.

When I speak of exteriorization, I speak of being outside or away from
the body, perceiving it at a distance, and knowingly doing so.

You may add this to your archives if you desire.

I have stated what I am interested in stating within the confines of
this memo. I have nothing further to add.

Love,

LaMont Johnson
BB, thanks for this.
To all of you readers who are just now leaving Scientology and reading here. There was a time when people really got auditing on areas that they were actually sitting in. It wasn't all about BTs and clusters and regging for money.
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Your expansion of this is excellent and true.

However the " slogan" will probably gain you more by using it than any
adverse effects. Foe example one sees a beautiful girl at a party, one is a bit shy maybe, a bit scared of a rebuff maybe, but just going up and saying hallo
has far more possibilities than not communicating.

By the time you may reach a safe point the party could be over. :)


Er, ah, BB, that's not doubt. That's Non-E. :dieslaughing:
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Blondes have more fun!

I got invited to the party by Hector. I was told it was for ex CCLA staff so I quickly called Candy and invited her since she was CCLA staff too. Hector called me back told me that the person hosting the party said that I was okay but that Candy could not come. I asked, "Why, praytell, is Candy being barred?" I was told that the hostess knows that Candy still believes that some of Scn tech works and that anyone who believes that is not welcome. I told Hector that I believe that as well so I will not be coming either. He said fine. I had to call Candy and tell her we could not go and she hit the roof.

How small is it to bar someone from your party because they believe that some pieces of Scientology are effective? I would never associate with people of such a mindset, They are not any better than C of S in my opinion. They are being foolish and stupid. Who needs it? There are so many people of good will and with some sense of sanity and justice which appreciate good communication and dialogue, why mess around with a few sickos? Like they used to say in Scientology, we will pick them up later on and get them cleaned up too.
Lakey

I am quoting my own post to add a new insight which I got from "the birdie", a 1940's saying which I remember from my chilhood. It means the thought just popped into ones mind out of thin air.

Candy being blackballed from the CCLA Oldtimers party being hosted by Spanky is really mainly an expression of jealousy. Candy was the "belle of the ball" when CCLA first opened and really during her entire tenure at CCLA which was approximately 2 1/2 to 3 years. The slogan, "Blondes have more fun." was particularly true of the Candy of the early 1970's. She was the most popular staff member and the biggest opinion leader around the Org. I think someone who is involved with the CCLA staff party does not want her to attend because she is still blonde both literally and figuratively and she will steal too much of the limelight. I do not know if Spanky is the culprit or if someone else is responsible.

Its just a hunch but that is what I am picking up from my telepathic antennae, better known as "a little birdie told me". Its a shame she was not allowed to attend because in protest, I too decided not to attend and I told Johnny about the incident and he decided not to attend. What a waste! If the three of us had gone, the party could have been enlivened by a huge amount and everyone would have enjoyed the party vastly more.
Lakey
 
When I was six years old everything in the room moved further away.
My Mum couldn't understand my problem. Took 8 years to get full control of this phenomenon. Then could do so at will.

However in WW2 she in a panic moment watched herself hide behind a wall
when a V1 dropped locally. From an exterior viewpoint.

I keep saying that this ability is a survival mechanism we have hardwired into us and that (almost) everybody can do it! :)
 
Time for another BBQ.

"When in doubt, communicate."

Among other things, Hubbard was a buffoon, an aggressive yet cowardly, buffoon amongst the general populace.

Well, I have to admit, I wasn't there so I do not have a direct perception of the man. This is how it adds up in my mind after reading about his social interactions outside of Scientology and about some of those experiences while he was running from the law.

Anyway, there are two different flows or scenarios on this: You are in a power position, or not. This will determine whose mind or allegiance changes. It will determine who stays and who goes.

"When in doubt, communicate," its just an ad slogan. Here's what I have found to be true -- your findings may differ:

If not in a power position, when in doubt, observe. Look, listen... Find your safe point. Now communicate! Or don't. One can just quietly walk away. Just following the ad slogan can lead to a mess of trouble and make you look like a buffoon.

Actually, didn't Ruth whatshername write that? :confused2:
 
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