Hatshepsut
Crusader
I have a lot of Alan Watts. You are quoting him at his very best. At any age, reading him, one has to STOP and digest what one is really DOING....being here. 
thanks for being so considerate, Gary, but I would prefer if you go and spread the word that I am not, nor have I ever been one of those mindless robotic scientologists.
Bloody brilliant, Ted.
This is a very right item.
The ideal scenario is for a Being to be able to permeate and be at one with and in harmony with all. Then there can be the loving and harmonious action of influencing.
When in that position of loving "oneness" one is most easily duplicated. And one can most easily, and actually only then, can truly duplicate and get the actual truth of things.
So, "being three feet behind" or out of anything is really a losing proposition destined to cause strife.
But by the same token one does not have to be "in" the thing . . . one can be bigger than it while permeating it within oneself.
Rog


When I see the party lines on "exteriorization" it sounds more and more to me like varying degrees of psychological dissociation. :confused2:
I go along with Mark on this. if you read the Playboy interview with Jackie stewart around the mid 1970s ( I haven't read it since then), he could experience race car fans pulling for him or against him as he drove by at 180 MPH.Couldn't disagree more. The clinical definition makes it quite clear that dissociative disorders result in the IMPAIRMENT of mental function and NOT it's enhancement.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294508-overview
http://www.myshrink.com/counseling-theory.php?t_id=13
Exteriorization in my experience is typically associated with a very much heightened state of lucidity & mental function. Ergo, ipso facto, it is not "dissociation". Calling it such is just a pseudo-scientific attempt to dismiss a genuine subjective phenomena for which materialist disciplines can not otherwise account.
Mark A. Baker
Time for another BBQ.
"When in doubt, communicate."
Among other things, Hubbard was a buffoon, an aggressive yet cowardly, buffoon amongst the general populace.
Well, I have to admit, I wasn't there so I do not have a direct perception of the man. This is how it adds up in my mind after reading about his social interactions outside of Scientology and about some of those experiences while he was running from the law.
Anyway, there are two different flows or scenarios on this: You are in a power position, or not. This will determine whose mind or allegiance changes. It will determine who stays and who goes.
"When in doubt, communicate," its just an ad slogan. Here's what I have found to be true -- your findings may differ:
If not in a power position, when in doubt, observe. Look, listen... Find your safe point. Now communicate! Or don't. One can just quietly walk away. Just following the ad slogan can lead to a mess of trouble and make you look like a buffoon.
In my usual style, I will state my case with no ill will towards another's.
Exterior, yes, we discussed that. Alan contributed as did Enid Vien. I might have as well. I do not remember.
dynamism.org/articles/timeless.html
If you put all these references together you will likely find some crossover and some new stuff from each. LaMont's writing was always supportive of LRH and he leans closely to those references. ACW and Enid branched out on their own and added greatly to the knowledge and experience base. "Three feet behind" will work for some peeps and others will be led astray.
As for "being three feet in back of," on the outset this looks like a correct perspective especially when comparing that to pan-determinism and the subject of 8C. Yet, I find this concept lacking as it too closely relates to domination. The damnedest situation I ever experienced was working with Int. Management and even my own OEC trained staff and the field(!) where everyone seemed to be jockeying for that coveted position of control "three feet behind" my head. And not a damned one of those people could have done my job. How's that for potential 8C? Not too good, huh? Talk about the feeling or perception of BT's and clusters, well there it was right in PT.
As for me personally, I had a very tough time "going exterior." Objective processes drug on and on. Why? I am almost always cheerful, cooperative, and exterior! I am not three feet behind the head or body. I am all around it and definitely in it too. I am at the perceived center of the universe. That a human body happens to be there right now is but a matter of perception. AllThatIs is right here. How exterior is that?
To paraphrase Hubbard from some forgotten PL talking of "doing what one is doing while one is doing it," when being a human being, BE A HUMAN BEING.
A being is "exterior" to anything it is looking at or otherwise perceiving. People are always asking to prove this exterior state. To that I say, "Okay. First tell me what you have going on that will prove to me that you are interior." It helps in figuring out their reference points and hidden standards.
Being "three feet behind" is, itself, a hidden standard. Not to invalidate your perceptions at all. I just think that we might not be speaking the same language when it comes to this subject.
Time for another BBQ.
"When in doubt, communicate."
Among other things, Hubbard was a buffoon, an aggressive yet cowardly, buffoon amongst the general populace.
Well, I have to admit, I wasn't there so I do not have a direct perception of the man. This is how it adds up in my mind after reading about his social interactions outside of Scientology and about some of those experiences while he was running from the law.
Anyway, there are two different flows or scenarios on this: You are in a power position, or not. This will determine whose mind or allegiance changes. It will determine who stays and who goes.
"When in doubt, communicate," its just an ad slogan. Here's what I have found to be true -- your findings may differ:
If not in a power position, when in doubt, observe. Look, listen... Find your safe point. Now communicate! Or don't. One can just quietly walk away. Just following the ad slogan can lead to a mess of trouble and make you look like a buffoon.
BB, thanks for this.From the archives of ACT and reposted then by Ted by coinincidence.
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From the archives:
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Homer,
This is an article I have been unwilling to write up until this point. I
have been unwilling to write it because the data herein might give
certain individuals hidden standards which then might impede their case
gain. Having reviewed some of what has been written about
exteriorization, I thought it best that I share some of my personal
experience on the subject.
As an aside, I was assigned the task of cleaning up Old Dianeticists at
ASHO back in 1968, because apparently, I had a rapport with "Old Timers"
that many newer auditors didn't have.
"Drug" and "sex" experiences and 'experiments' "on the meter" or "in
session" were pretty much a common practice among many of the old-time
dianeticists, so I had the opportunity to clean up many "trained"
dianeticists, session and auditor ARC breaks, rehabs, and overt-withhold
phenomena.
They were all quite happy with the auditing and the out-come. I had
better than a 96% signup ratio, having handled more than fifty of these
guys, in 1968.
VARIOUS TYPES OF EXTERIORIZATION
1. OUT OF BODY - this is a state wherein the individual appears to self
as a collected spheric center of knowingness-awareness at a distance
from the body, looking at the body from across a distance in the
physical universe. Also known as "Spirit Travel" (but this state has
nothing to do with an 'astral plane'. This state is happening in the
"Physical Universe Now").
2. MULTIPLE OOB VIEWPOINTS - this state is similar to 1. above, however,
the individual appears to be viewing one or more spheric centers, each
with images of the physical universe in them, and each operating in a
slightly different time frame (shutter effect or strobe effect). My
experience with this state is that it has to do with other sentient
identities in and around the body, and self's 'telepathic' connection to
them.
3. "FLICKERING UNIVERSE" - this state has the individual out of the body
and experiencing time and motion in a jerky, 'frame-by-frame' manner. It
is simply out-of-body-but-not-really-tracking-with-the-physical
universe.
4. NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE - this state has great numbers of phenomena
connected to it. It's ok but I prefer the standard OOB exteriorization
for day to day living, personally.
5. REDUCED TO AN ATOM - this exteriorization finds the individual
perceiving the universe from a minute viewpoint. Molecules take on the
size of planets, and this is definitely an inverted state, but can be
fun if you're into that kind of thing.
6. MAGNIFICENT GODHOOD - this exteriorization finds the entirety of the
physical universe encompassed by one and within one, such that this
galaxy appears as if it were a spot on the pinky nail of the hand. In
this state one perceives "all that is" as Self, knowingly and at cause.
The very best, almost.
7. GRAY VOID - this exteriorization appears as if all is but a gray,
darkling void. Viewpoints appears as shiny silver dots. Communication is
rapid and all pervasive. It is a benign state, but kind of "eh, so
what".
8. PUSHED OUT BY COGNITION - this state appears at the end of a major,
stable win (at least it has for me, on many occasions). One appears to
assume a size of about 12-15 feet, and the physical unverse takes on the
appearance of a doll house in proportion to self. Sort of "Alice In
Wonderland" big. It's ok, and kind of exhilarating.
9. RED SHIFT EXTERIORIZATION - this state finds one passing through
something which appears like a red laser beam. In so doing, one travels
across parallel universes. Once adept at this type of exteriorization,
one can "shift" from one universe, to a slightly "different" universe,
with contingent "changes" apparent. Sort of like small changes which
offer other alternatives.
10. THEY ARE ALL DEAD - I would assume that this state is what some
might call a "bad trip". In this state, one is out of the body and
perceives that all other bodies are simply automatons, with no beingness
attached, no beings in sight, and just these zombie bodies roaming
around. The upshot is that one comes to grips with the mortality of the
body. It could also be exteriorized into an implant. Good learning
experience.
11. CONNECTED TO ALL LIFE - In this state one can perceive the crying of
children in Somalia, the clicks, snorts and whistles of whales, your
next door neighbors making love, individuals dying in the Alsace,
rodents scrambling around in the basement, microbes and elephants, and
one "hears" all of it at the same time - quite distinctly, as if one had
a thousand pairs of ears, all hearing uniquely and specifically at the
same time. Requires confront and responsibility.
12. FLYING AROUND THE PLANET - in this state, one "moves" from one
location in the physical universe to another simply by will, intention,
postulate or whatever. Happened during Power, for me. And since then it
has been a fun thing, except once while outside, I slid my car into a
tree which was somehow in the middle of a city block. Not bad - caught
it in time, no blood, no harm, no foul - just a dented beak on a '68
Mustang, is all. Lesson learned was do this one, when in a stationary
location, not while driving a car.
I am not going to list them all out. I have experienced PERSONALLY, all
the above many times, except 10. which I only experienced once, and that
was at the end of doing a specific objective process for 8 hours. I
decided the process was either unflat or overrun, so we rehabbed it, and
I have not experienced that exteriorization again.
When I speak of exteriorization, I speak of being outside or away from
the body, perceiving it at a distance, and knowingly doing so.
You may add this to your archives if you desire.
I have stated what I am interested in stating within the confines of
this memo. I have nothing further to add.
Love,
LaMont Johnson
Your expansion of this is excellent and true.
However the " slogan" will probably gain you more by using it than any
adverse effects. Foe example one sees a beautiful girl at a party, one is a bit shy maybe, a bit scared of a rebuff maybe, but just going up and saying hallo
has far more possibilities than not communicating.
By the time you may reach a safe point the party could be over.![]()

I got invited to the party by Hector. I was told it was for ex CCLA staff so I quickly called Candy and invited her since she was CCLA staff too. Hector called me back told me that the person hosting the party said that I was okay but that Candy could not come. I asked, "Why, praytell, is Candy being barred?" I was told that the hostess knows that Candy still believes that some of Scn tech works and that anyone who believes that is not welcome. I told Hector that I believe that as well so I will not be coming either. He said fine. I had to call Candy and tell her we could not go and she hit the roof.
How small is it to bar someone from your party because they believe that some pieces of Scientology are effective? I would never associate with people of such a mindset, They are not any better than C of S in my opinion. They are being foolish and stupid. Who needs it? There are so many people of good will and with some sense of sanity and justice which appreciate good communication and dialogue, why mess around with a few sickos? Like they used to say in Scientology, we will pick them up later on and get them cleaned up too.
Lakey
Er, ah, BB, that's not doubt. That's Non-E.![]()
When I was six years old everything in the room moved further away.
My Mum couldn't understand my problem. Took 8 years to get full control of this phenomenon. Then could do so at will.
However in WW2 she in a panic moment watched herself hide behind a wall
when a V1 dropped locally. From an exterior viewpoint.
Having met Ed I know he is VERY proud of her. As many have commented,
they wish Ed would be their future father.![]()
Time for another BBQ.
"When in doubt, communicate."
Among other things, Hubbard was a buffoon, an aggressive yet cowardly, buffoon amongst the general populace.
Well, I have to admit, I wasn't there so I do not have a direct perception of the man. This is how it adds up in my mind after reading about his social interactions outside of Scientology and about some of those experiences while he was running from the law.
Anyway, there are two different flows or scenarios on this: You are in a power position, or not. This will determine whose mind or allegiance changes. It will determine who stays and who goes.
"When in doubt, communicate," its just an ad slogan. Here's what I have found to be true -- your findings may differ:
If not in a power position, when in doubt, observe. Look, listen... Find your safe point. Now communicate! Or don't. One can just quietly walk away. Just following the ad slogan can lead to a mess of trouble and make you look like a buffoon.