Div6
Crusader
Irene Howey, eh?
Boy, I could tell you some stories about her!
Dart
Don't steal his thunder on his thread Dart!
Start a NEW one.
Irene Howey, eh?
Boy, I could tell you some stories about her!
Dart
Don't steal his thunder on his thread Dart!
Start a NEW one.
Apologies.
My lips are sealed.
Dart
If you didn't feel good after 300 hours of good auditing I would be mightily surprised. Well done on not making yourself wrong for something that wasn't ever wrong.In early 1973, after just having 300 hours of XDN auditing delivered to me by a fantastic person and auditor, Soo Ribis Forbes and being CSed by another fantastic person, Class XII Ron Shafran I believed with all my heart that I had been radically changed for the better by those two people all thanks to LRH. Just look at it, why would I not feel this way. I just confronted stage fright and was tumultously applauded by the crowd and Yvonne Jentzch who was a charismatic God like figure told me that I was a beautiful person. I believed in this entire experience and really wanted others to have it for themselves at that time!
Hey Yank, I thought it was only us Brits who had to keep a stiff upper lip.CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT IT FELT LIKE BEING FULLY HATTED AND HAVING A PROVEN RECORD AND BEING PASSED UP TWICE FOR PROMOTIONS WHICH WERE GIVEN TO AN 18 YEAR OLD UNHATTED DAUGHTER AND HER UNHATTED FATHER WHO HAD TO JOIN STAFF TO TAKE THE POST? I was crushed and was depressed by this but I kept a stiff upper lip ...
If you didn't feel good after 300 hours of good auditing I would be mightily surprised.
If you didn't feel good after 300 hours of good auditing I would be mightily surprised. Well done on not making yourself wrong for something that wasn't ever wrong.
How true Lesolee! I have known people and FESed folders where the person attested to Natural Clear or Past Life Clear and had Quicke Grads and did Grades 0 to IV in a couple of hours. Now the guy was ready for Power and then on to the Clearing Course and the OT Levels. The guy never did Straightwire or Life Repear let alone any Dianetics or Expanded Dianetics. The guy has had really no charge run off his case and is basically equivalent to a brand new public person and oftentimes not as aware as a competent non-Scientologist who has lived some life and knows life pretty well.
All the detractors in Scientology or on ESMB state that if there is any gains to be had in auditing they are mostly all on the lower part of the grade chart. I had hundreds and hundres of hours on the lower part of the grade chart and that may be the main reason I think that Scientology auditing was good for me.
On the upper part of the chart, I had my biggest wins on Power and Power Plus, Grades V and Va. As to OTIII, I felt I had some gain there but not anywhere near what I expected because of the huge build up given that level. I did have wins on NOTS too, and had my biggest wins there when I went back to Flag in 1991 and 1992 to get what was then called the missing steps (Sixteen of them which Mayo had alledgedly deleted on purpose because he was an SP - accusations which I always thought were absurd.) I only ran 8 of the 16 and that is as far as I got on the bridge. Maybe the reason I got some worthwhile gains on the upper bridge I did do was that I was set up so well by all my lower bridge stuff and also did the pre NOTS versions of OT IV through OT VII. It really helps to be set up well on grade chart auditing actions. If your lower stuff is missing, for sure you will not gain much if anything on the higher levels. I think there is ample proof of that based on some of the characters runing around today as OT VII's and OTVIII's who haven't got a clue as to what non PR real case gain is all about.
Hey Yank, I thought it was only us Brits who had to keep a stiff upper lip.
Bah humbug! We Yanks have access on our tele's and cinema to how you Brits use your King's English, so prissy, proper and pristine. Why just the other day I was motoring in my British lorry when the bonnet flew open and blocked my view out my windscreen. Luckily I had enough petrol in my tank to make it to a repair shoppe. Can't you buggers learn to make a car solid like the Nips and Krauts do?
I don't have to imagine how this feels. It's been happening to me time after time.
I have caught up with all the prequels this evening. A great read. Thanks.
Waiting for the next installment.
Don't steal his thunder on his thread Dart!
Start a NEW one.
Hi Lakey,
This is my first post to ESMB, so I hope I do it right. I have read your whole story and enjoyed it tremendously. Stories like this always get me thinking and this morning I had the following realization:
You remember somewhere LRH talks about people's estimation of their own importance and how much they assert it. For many years I have not been able to reconcile how come a celebrity is so much more important than me, but I have been "reasonable" about it. This morning I got to thinking about why Yvonne was so put out about Flo not finding toilet paper. I don't imagine Flo was going around spouting off about how important she was, rather like many celebrities in Scn probably didn't think much about it. (I actually get kind of embarrassed when the reges keep telling me how wonderful I am but then it always gets deflated when they tell me how much money they want...!) I ate meals with the Presley grandkids at the Lemon Tree several times years ago and they were not asserting their importance and were just cute kids.
Then I saw that it might be this way: a person who is not important (I am not talking about Yvonne, I always thought she was terrific) gets someone on their lines who is "very important" and by being connected with this person thus also becomes "very important." And the lower the person really is in importance, the more emphasis they would put on the connection to the "important person."
This suddenly answered to me why DM loves being connected to TC. It increases his (DM's) importance! And why celebs are so highly touted in the church, it impresses the congregation with how important the people are who get to connect with them!
Maybe this was obvious to everyone all along but it sure did answer a lot of questions for me.
Best to you,
Mockingbird6
My story of my nearly 3 year and 4 month stint,
The people I knew best and who I hung out with were few in numbers. I must have gone to say good bye to them before I left. I don't remember doing so but if I did, I would have made a special effort to say goodbye
to Bob Riggs, Examiner, Carole Ferguson, Course Sup, Kenny Wasserman, HQS Sup, Eleana Walbroek and Bob Mithoff in Treasury, Gordy Kunkle in Qual, Heber Jentzch who was now the Assistant Guardian, Henry Baumgard from the Book Store, Bruce Rigney in Div 6, Dick Hubbard in mimeo Julie Anne Warner in Div 2 printing, Kenny Lipton in tech, Tony Klock and Val Garcia in Estates, Iris Reaves and Irene as execs and Daphne in the snack bar area. Those were all the people who I had ever done anything socially with in my three years. My original FSM, Harry, was my best frend at the time and he took me out to diner at the Velvet Turtle in Hollywood a night or two before I left.
That's KOnkle...Gordy Konkle. His ex wife Maggie is one of my best Buds.
There were 7 children, I think only 2 were Gordy's, all 7 were in the SO there for awhile. " Little Gordy" was gay and committed suicide. He was such a nice kid. He thought that no one liked him because he was gay. A very unhappy boy. I think the rest of the 'kids' are all doing well.
O and * everyone* knew that Hector was gay. As far as I know, he made no secret of it. It was in Hollywood, after all, *no one* thought anything of it.
Chlng
Spiffing.Real nice to hear from you. How do you like my British speak?
This revisionist "history" of the Co$ is one of the many disturbing aspects of the cult. I particularly disliked finding out that the newly "enhanced" Clearing Congress videos had actually edited Nibs out of the footage.CCLA was an incredible place to be in the early 1970's. It was not really LRH's baby but rather Yvonne's creation. It is true that LRH spoke on tape of a need for a Celebrity Centre and gave an outline of what it should consist of and who its public should be but it was Yvonne's energy and doingness which got the Org opened for business and then Yvonne's vibrant personality, enormous Charisma, and her shear determination and will which made the Org successful overnight and led to the large CCLA International of today.
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Examine CCLA's large 30 year anniversary magazine and look for mention of Yvonne's name. There is none, also there is no mention of her in the 35 year anniversary mag but DM is mentioned as having been the major creative spark behind Celibrity Centre and in particular in making it an International Organization. This huge omission of her name being stamped out is the thing that started me reading about Scientology on the internet in 2005.
My story of my nearly 3 year and 4 month stint,
The people I knew best and who I hung out with were few in numbers. I must have gone to say good bye to them before I left. I don't remember doing so but if I did, I would have made a special effort to say goodbye
to Bob Riggs, Examiner, Carole Ferguson, Course Sup, Kenny Wasserman, HQS Sup, Eleana Walbroek and Bob Mithoff in Treasury, Gordy Kunkle in Qual, Heber Jentzch who was now the Assistant Guardian, Henry Baumgard from the Book Store, Bruce Rigney in Div 6, Dick Hubbard in mimeo Julie Anne Warner in Div 2 printing, Kenny Lipton in tech, Tony Klock and Val Garcia in Estates, Iris Reaves and Irene as execs and Daphne in the snack bar area. Those were all the people who I had ever done anything socially with in my three years. My original FSM, Harry, was my best frend at the time and he took me out to diner at the Velvet Turtle in Hollywood a night or two before I left.
That's KOnkle...Gordy Konkle. His ex wife Maggie is one of my best Buds.
There were 7 children, I think only 2 were Gordy's, all 7 were in the SO there for awhile. " Little Gordy" was gay and committed suicide. He was such a nice kid. He thought that no one liked him because he was gay. A very unhappy boy. I think the rest of the 'kids' are all doing well.
Thanks for the spelling tip and update on Gordy's family. He was an interesting guy but didn't say much. He did his job in Qual very well.
O and * everyone* knew that Hector was gay. As far as I know, he made no secret of it. It was in Hollywood, after all, *no one* thought anything of it.
Yeah, but think of what LRH's books and charts were saying about gays and how they were grouping them all into 1.1 stuff. Once the Church found out a person was gay didn't they immediately insist on auditing them to make them straight. I don't think that rundown was ever successful.
Chlng
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Janis, Welcome! I'm glad that you joined us! It is wonderful to hear how much these stories mean to you. I am sure that you have some stories to tell of your own, which I hope you will feel free to do in time.
I think one of the benefits of a board like this one is that we can fill in the blanks, so to speak of the gaps and alterations of the history of the church of Scientology.
SandLy, for certain you make a good point above. I pointed out that if people really in the know such as Mary Sue or Diana Hubbard or Pat and Annie Broker had debried to us, people such as myself and others would not have such a compulsion to work and fill in the gaps.
Lakey, I absolutely want to encourage you to keep on writing your thoughts and memories here, you are not at the end of the story yet, because you are still evolving.
Thanks for encouaging me, you know I really enjoy writing this stuff but I want it to be under my own volition and not be a compulsion which is out of my control just to try and make myself interesting to others. I have decided that the test is, do I really have something new and vital to say or is it that I have nothing better to do with my time. I have sort of a photographic memory almost as good as what was promised to all of us in Book 1 and as long as I have something to contribute to the board, I plan on using it.
I wish we could all collectively piece together an accurate, factual history of the Scientology movement and church, for the record, for publication, including everyone's contributions, especially those who fell out of favor with Ron or the current management and were shunned, offloaded, RPF'd or left, and whose memories and contributions were expunged from official COS literature and history...
Have you read on the board about Nancy Many's new book coming out October 26. She was at CCLA when I was and I probably know her pretty well but the trouble was that when I was there, Chris Many was married first to Audrey and then Ronnie and since I don't yet know Nancy's maiden name, I can't yet figure out if I know her. The only two Nancys I can think of are Nancy Helgoson and Nancy Green and I am sure she is not one of them.
Nancy Many has about a 7 year history at CCLA and than an even longer period working for Int Management. Her book looks like it will be fantastic! Go to General Discussion and a new thread has just been started on her book.
Its funny how every time I feel I am done writing about Scientology, something major comes along which opens up new vistas. The same day I finish my story, an announcement of her new book appears. Amazing! Somebody's postulates are working.
I do think it's important for everybody to know the whole truth about Scientology, including the current and future Scientologists.
Thank you Lakey for your wonderful stories about the old days at CC and about my mother. My siblings and I have really enjoyed reading them. Though I spent most of those days on the Apollo, away from Yvonne, I did have a few chances to visit Yvonne at CC on 8th Street, La Brea and at the Manor and have such fond memories of her and her incredible staff - quite a few of whom I am still in touch with today.
Because of the connection Yvonne had with Celebrities and the respect they gave her, LRH called her "the celebrity of celebrities" and when she passed,
LRH instructed that CC was to be made a shrine in her memory.
When I was WDC CC, over 20 years ago, her office remained along with her many "keys to citys" and awards keeping her presents there. However,
you are very spot on about DM and his not wanting Yvonne acknowledged
for what she achieved - three years ago when I saw the person that had been WDC CC for 15 years, I found out she had never heard about the LRH order to make CC a shrine in Yvonnes memory!
Also, going right along with this chain of thought, after my sister and I spoke at CC's 15th anniversary as Yvonne's daughters, Ray Mithoff who had introduced us, was yelled at by DM for announcing us to the public as Yvonne's daughters and not by our posts! LRH never had a problem with us being Yvonne's daughters, infact when Director Milton Katselas came to the ship and was visting with LRH, Milton commented he had to find Yvonne's daughters to give her love to them. So, LRH had me called to his office, to introduce me to Milton so he could relay his message from Yvonne.
Another time, after I had completed a mission to CCLA on La Brea, stats faultered on the 4th week which would hurt my mission results, LRH called
me to his office and went over the stats with me, and said "send a telex to you mother and have her get back in the actions the mission put in" - end result was an affluence mission for me, thanks to my Mum.
So, yes, Celebrity Center was Yvonnes baby - starting it as a "Booking Office" in 1969 out of AOLA and with Diana Hubbards protection as CS6 from the GO, Yvonne was able to build a safe place for many to enjoy.
Again Lakey - thank you for the fond memories.
Janis Gillham-Grady
Yes. "Big Gordy" was an able dude. Did you ever hear him play piano? He was a pro piano player, and was well liked among some of the Jazz crowd.
In all the hours that I have audited, which number in the thousands and cover all of the PAC area entities, I have neever tried to audit a gay person straight. It's a ridiculous idea. I have had them sign Agreements that they would not practice Homosexuality while they were on auditing lines.
The first time I was aware of the 'mistreatment' of Gays was here on the Internet.
While it is true that Gays were shunned by some Scn'ists, and true that LRH wrote that they were aberrated and so on, still as far as I know, they were never denied any services.
Chlng
That's interesting. Why make them sign such an agreement? I have seen the odd reference here and there on this board about male pcs with hot female auditors, and I haven't heard of anyone being sent to ethics for thinking of their hot auditor whilst ... whilst ... you know ... relieving themselves.In all the hours that I have audited, which number in the thousands and cover all of the PAC area entities, I have neever tried to audit a gay person straight. It's a ridiculous idea. I have had them sign Agreements that they would not practice Homosexuality while they were on auditing lines.