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The Marcabs made a deal with the Hebrews!

LA SCN

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This crap has been around since 2005 at least: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=22985

The easiest refutation, for people who might be inclined to believe it, is that no-one has ever written about observing (since he took over) DM taking orders from anyone, or reporting to anyone.

Paul

Oh, don't you know his rapport with the IRS was proof of his alien nature? He also has a microminiature RAID (Redundant Array of Independent Disks) array of SSDs (Solid State Drive) implanted which are updated from time to time through the copper rods at Int with further instructions from EL ENCHILADA.

:omg:
 

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Just a comment on the psychology of L. Ron Hubbard and matters Markabian. . .

Ron seemed to have quite a bit of "charge" on taxes. Let's see what he has to say:


Hubbard said that the Marcab Confederacy invented income tax as a means of punishment, with the death penalty imposed for making even the slightest mistake in returns — "one comma wrong and it's 'dead forever'." (wiki)

And let's not forget that Xenu destroyed the entire intergalactic world and all those hundreds of trillions of free beings by tricking them that they needed to show up for a tax audit.

And Hubbard claims he is the only man in the history of universe to find these whole track reasons that explain the evil tax system of the day.

And while Hubbard was making up wild fantasy sci-fi stories and selling them to duped Scientologists for hundreds of thousands of dollars, he was simultaneously duping the IRS and state tax agencies by setting up scam entities and shielding his worldwide enterprises by pretending it was a religion.

Geez, do you think all Hubbard's tax scams, pocketing hundreds of millions of dollars personally, has anything to do with him teaching his cult members that taxes are evil just like psychiatrists.

OMG the insanity of it all never continues to astound!
 

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This crap has been around since 2005 at least: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=22985

The easiest refutation, for people who might be inclined to believe it, is that no-one has ever written about observing (since he took over) DM taking orders from anyone, or reporting to anyone.

Paul

Attempts to take over Scientology were described by Hubbard going back to the earliest days. Hubbard told of the Soviet KGB's interest in his unpublished work 'Excalibur' and the theft, or attempts at theft, of 'Excalibur' by Soviet agents, as far back as the late 1930s.

According to Hubbard, the Soviets were also interested in him working for them, and one his his bizarre 1950s letters to the FBI - which eventually earned him the "appears mental" designation - described an offer, by the Soviets, to fly him to Russia, where he would have his "own laboratories and receive very high fees," etc. (The date on this letter is 29 July 1955, in case anyone wants to read it in its entirety. Amazing stuff!)

And then, according to Hubbard, there was the U.S. government, which also wanted Hubbard to work for them.

In all cases, of course, Hubbard refused, so as to maintain the integrity of his work. For this he was attacked - so Hubbard's tales go - by both the Russian and U.S. governments.

These attacks took many forms, and pretty much any "attack" by any government, or governmental agency, could be attributed to Scientology having the knowledge of the human mind, and the ability to free Mankind, and its refusal to be subjugated to the will of enslaving governments, etc.

For example, the IRS taking an interest in Hubbard's shady book keeping, his swindling of others, and his disinclination to pay taxes, could be viewed as merely another attack by those secretly desiring to take over Scientology, and use its advanced knowledge of the mind to enslave rather than to free, etc.

Negative stories about Hubbard in the media could similarly be discounted, being simply acts of revenge by the slave masters, angered at Hubbard's refusal to work on their behalf.

A few months ago from Independent Scientology leader Marty Rathbun:

"With all the chatter about L. Ron Hubbard's alleged shortcomings, it got me thinking about what the effect of the unprecedented ad hominem attacks against the man were. Hubbard was demonized by the cold war establishment perhaps more than any other civilian figure. One cumulative effect of it all was to one degree or another de-humanize him in the public eye..."

As for the attempts to "de-humanize" Hubbard in the public mind, an early attempt is described by Hubbard in his confidential issue, "Intelligence Actions, Covert Intelligence Data Collection' of 2 December 1969. It describes events of 1950:

"The objective of the enemy is to discredit...

"Their first blast was the San Francisco papers, Sept. 1950, quoting the publisher (of Book One) Ceppos being critical of me (he was a communist) followed by the LA papers, pushed then by Sara Komkovadamanov (alias Northrup) 'divorce' actions, followed by attempted kidnapping of myself. Other details were pushed into it including murder of four and so on. This was a full complete covert operation. At the back of it was Miles Hollister (psychology student), Sara Komkovadamanov (housekeeper at the place nuclear physicists stayed near Cal Tech), Gene Benton and his wife - president of the Young Communists League...

"This was a full war against Dianetics..."

Note: all the above parentheses are from the original.

And regarding the same time period...

From a 1977 recorded message, 'Can we Ever Be Friends?':

"Possibly any trouble Dianetics or Scientology ever had began on May 9, 1950 when the U.S government, excited by the possibility of Hubbard's work, sought to force him into classified government service.

"In Washington, they told him they wanted him to work on projects to make people more suggestible. When he declined they threatened and, typically, he refused to bow.

"And the war between the government and Scientology was on."

There's another version of this from the 1978 edition of 'What is Scientology?'. It ends with:

"The government never forgave him for this and soon began vicious, covert international attacks on his work. "

The above two accounts, re. the U.S. government, were taken from a recorded lecture from the 1950s.

There are many other tales and claims from Hubbard in this area, and from that - ah, well, fertilized - ground, spring other subsequent tales, perhaps the best known being those of Captain Bill Robertson, the founder of the world's largest, and most successful, outside-the-CofS Scientology group.

'Markab, the Final Handling':

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_sob19.htm
 

anonomog

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It is frightening to think that the people who wrote/believe in these things are allowed to live outside of padded cells, have driving licences, can breed!!!

Isn't there enough to worry about in life? Call me boring but I'll stick to fretting about whether the car will run on fumes till payday and will I avoid colliding with the Marcab/Hebrew conspiracy theorists... that type of thing.

Imagine what it must be like living with those thoughts in your head. It would drive you mad...oh wai-
 

Smilla

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I've come to this area as The Conspiracy Entertainment Industry, and it's purveyors - such as David Icke, as entertainers. But then again, as a shape-shifting Reptilian, I would say that, wouldn't I... LOL.
 

Dave B.

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What year do you think Corporate $cientology was compromised and placed under control? Can you name the year when it happened?

Any hints as to who it might be?

And what might be their motivation for compromising and controlling Corporate $cientology?



My security clearance doesn't go that high. :biggrin:


But a possible answer: When someone becomes a player rather than a piece or broken piece that data is probably easily discovered.
 

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A few months ago from Independent Scientology leader Marty Rathbun:

"With all the chatter about L. Ron Hubbard's alleged shortcomings, it got me thinking about what the effect of the unprecedented ad hominem attacks against the man were. Hubbard was demonized by the cold war establishment perhaps more than any other civilian figure. One cumulative effect of it all was to one degree or another de-humanize him in the public eye..."

So, let's review. . .

Hubbard created a con game called "clearing" for which he sold books, courses and auditing that he characterized as "scientific".

Paying customers, incensed that they had been defrauded, complained about Hubbard's hoax.

Hubbard and his assigns (Rathbun, Miscavige, CBR....) call these customer complaints "unprecedented ad hominem attacks".

Customers and professionals attempting to safeguard consumers against further white-collar thuggery and thievery are said to be "de-humanizing" and "demonizing" the con man Hubbard.

The above answers all conceivable questions about Scientology except this one remaining curiosity:

Were Hubbard, COB, CBR, Rathbun and other like-Scientologists totally crazy--or simply liars engaged in criminal scamming for gain?
 

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They were both, but what is even worse is so were we every time we wrote a success story or disseminated to others.
 

GoNuclear

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I've come to this area as The Conspiracy Entertainment Industry, and it's purveyors - such as David Icke, as entertainers. But then again, as a shape-shifting Reptilian, I would say that, wouldn't I... LOL.

Yeah, they are fun to read and even fun to make up satire versions of various "conspiracy theories." But the establishment makes these things up as well as a means of attempting to camoflage their own malfeasance, such as the inside jobs of OKC, the WTC bombing of 1993, Waco, both the JFK and RFK killings, 9-11, and the ongoing deep, unacknowledged, off budget black projects. From time to time, separating out what is real from horseshit is easy. For instance ... Popular Mechanics years back did a piece on all of the "legitimate" UFO's ... the disk shaped craft that the US Air Force trots out from time to time to point at and say "This is what you saw and it's one of ours." Those are also known as the Project Snowbird craft, as in snowing the public. These things barely get off the ground and are conventionally powered and can't possibly do the maneuvers that genuine ET spacecraft have been observed to do. Popular Mechanics spent most of the verbage on the article on those craft for the purpose of pointing a finger at Bob Lazar and calling him a phoney publicity seeker. And there are other instances where the BS becomes readily apparent if you have a general familiarity with the issue. But on the whole, if you are not on the inside you are on the outside and with all the stories out there, you are faced with a task of trying to separate gnat shit from finely ground black pepper.

Pete
 

Helena Handbasket

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Scn lends itself well to conspiracy think. Plus, you know, Hubbard did believe in Marcabs and between lives implant stations (the latter concept has always distressed me).
If you want the ultimate conspiracy / between lives rant, check out this link: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25994-Sprig-Lore&p=649386#post649386 :biggrin:

It is frightening to think that the people who wrote/believe in these things are allowed to live outside of padded cells, have driving licences, can breed!!! Imagine what it must be like living with those thoughts in your head. It would drive you mad...oh wai-
So that's what's wrong with me! I guess it's off to the nearest psychiatric hospital, to turn in my driving licence and get away from the SPRIG. Oh, wait, they're SPRIGDEF, aren't they? :duh:

What year do you think Corporate $cientology was compromised and placed under control? Can you name the year when it happened?
I still remember all the noise DM made about the war between Scientology and the IRS being "over". What he neglected to add, however, is that "the IRS won". :nervous:

Sector Operations Bulletin #19 (LRH:CBR) said:
The NON-INTERFERENCE DECREE on Sector 9 was received on Earth on the 29th April 1982 at 1200 GMT. It states, (as relayed from Mainship, Sector 9):

"The stars in this Sector are under a Non-Interference Decree from Galactic Central - Grand Council. The stipulations of the decree are . . .3. There shall be no use of atomic, chemical, or biological weapons in the zone.
Oh my! The bomb has been banned for 30 years now. I guess I can finally feel safe. :p

Helena
 

cakemaker

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In 1981 the complete Church of Scientology in every nation on the planet had been bought by the biggest WHISKEY producer on Earth, the Canadian Jew Bronfman.

Now you will understand why the most important people in Scientology as well as all the original founders had left the Church at that time. Because since then the Church of Scientology is a Khazar-Jewish Illuminati organisation. Surprised?


And that's why the New Sea Org adopted the greeting "Ahoy Vey!".
 

anonynon

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If you want the ultimate conspiracy / between lives rant, check out this link: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25994-Sprig-Lore&p=649386#post649386 :biggrin:


So that's what's wrong with me! I guess it's off to the nearest psychiatric hospital, to turn in my driving licence and get away from the SPRIG. Oh, wait, they're SPRIGDEF, aren't they? :duh:


I still remember all the noise DM made about the war between Scientology and the IRS being "over". What he neglected to add, however, is that "the IRS won". :nervous:


Oh my! The bomb has been banned for 30 years now. I guess I can finally feel safe. :p

Helena

DM is the "puppet master" who corrupted Ron, and ruined Scientology.
It was DM on an earlier track, that destroyed Naval records of Ron's great exploits, and it was DM masquerading as a medic who snared him into the "Pink & Gray" trap.

When Ron went crusading against sinister black magic, deep in the hearts of Hollywood, a cluster of Miscavige BTs threw up Sarah Northrup as bait. Against such treachery, who could resist?
And when a young, sickly CMO was brought onlines in the early 70s, who could have suspected the false purposes this abberrated SP had in store? And the final cut- the Vistaril that EOC'ed the Commodore, was Miscavige's hand, and his alone.

Excalibur is probably the last surviving document to escape ruin.
Beware of all Scientology since 1940.
 

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My security clearance doesn't go that high. :biggrin:


But a possible answer: When someone becomes a player rather than a piece or broken piece that data is probably easily discovered.

Huh? So, you're saying that you're a "broken piece" and, thus, dunno.

Eh.
 

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I still remember all the noise DM made about the war between Scientology and the IRS being "over". What he neglected to add, however, is that "the IRS won". :nervous:

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Oh, that's silly. The IRS didn't "win." The "Church" had a settlement with the IRS, an agreement. Every corporation does something similar, and every tax paying, tax form-filing, tax payer does also. All tax payers have an "agreement" with the IRS. Does the IRS run them?

The difference is that, after 40 years of tax evasion by Scientology, and 20 years of harassment by Scientology, and, finally, the possible blackmailing of the IRS commissioner, by Scientology, the IRS caved and made a deal.

Why in the world would the IRS want to own and run Scientology?
 
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Veda

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So, let's review. . .

Hubbard created a con game called "clearing" for which he sold books, courses and auditing that he characterized as "scientific".

Paying customers, incensed that they had been defrauded, complained about Hubbard's hoax.

Hubbard and his assigns (Rathbun, Miscavige, CBR....) call these customer complaints "unprecedented ad hominem attacks".

Customers and professionals attempting to safeguard consumers against further white-collar thuggery and thievery are said to be "de-humanizing" and "demonizing" the con man Hubbard.

The above answers all conceivable questions about Scientology except this one remaining curiosity:

Were Hubbard, COB, CBR, Rathbun and other like-Scientologists totally crazy--or simply liars engaged in criminal scamming for gain?

Notice that Marty Rathbun avoids mentionong WHY Hubbard was "demonized by the establishment perhaps more than any civilian figure."

Answering "Why?" is going to be a problem, that he'll have, if he writes the definitive "Independent Scientology" biography of L. Ron Hubbard - as he has hinted he's in the process of doing.

Coming up with an "acceptable" reason "why," for his valued "wog" opinion-leader connections, is going to require some PR tap dancing by Marty.

IMO, Marty's main purpose is a PR one: to rehabilitate Hubbard's "image" and "good name," and, with it, L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology's "Image" and "good name."

That means he must come up with "acceptable" PR explanations for various issues.

So, Marty, what are you going to tell the curious "wogs" about WHY L. Ron Hubbard - the subject of your inspirational poem 'Ode to L. Ron Hubbard' - was singled out for so much besmirchment? Why was "Hubbard demonized by the establishment perhaps more than any civilian figure"?

You're saying this Marty, so now tell us WHY?

I guess we'll have to wait for the book. :)
 

oneonewasaracecar

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I've come to this area as The Conspiracy Entertainment Industry, and it's purveyors - such as David Icke, as entertainers. But then again, as a shape-shifting Reptilian, I would say that, wouldn't I... LOL.
Prince Charles is a reptilian. Why would he pay thousands of dollars for naturopathy water? He's cold blooded.

As to the connection between Hubbard and Nazism, the theosophy movement (Blavatsky, Regardie) influenced both Aryosophy and the Golden Dawn and the OTO which was a clear influence on Scientology. In addition to the common ancestry, there is also a horizontal gene transfer.

In Bare Faced Messiah, Hubbard was quoted as saying Hitler was a madman, but he had some great ideas. The messenger service was modeled on Hitler's youth.

While Hubbard was outspoken in his criticism of Hitler, the naming of some of his guardian's office covert operations indicate a fascination with that war (he fought in it). Operation Normandy, the name for the largely successful operation to take over downtown Clearwater and Operation Snow White was similarly named to Operation White (one of Hitler's codenamed missions).

Hubbard also talked about a global conspiracy of bankers, media people against Scientology. It would be easy to massage this into antisemitism.
 
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