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Whitedove

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There's at least one negative review of The Master.....


"Certain movies cannot be reviewed indifferently. The critics simply have too much invested in their directors to acknowledge that, past performances to the contrary nothwithstanding, their latest effort has to rank somewhere between a disappointment and a disaster. Such is the case with Paul Thomas Anderson’s “The Master.” His previous films, which include “Boogie Nights,” “Magnolia” and the terrific “There Will Be Blood,” gave reason to hope that Anderson, still in his early 40s, was the major young talent that American movies have been yearning for (seemingly for decades). There is no reason to abandon that hope now. But the fact remains that “The Master” is an inert film, and that the chief pleasure it affords is watching it make the reviewers squirm."

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/paul_thomas_andersons_cult_of_personality_20120917/

There will always be a few negative critics. But if you look at the big picture, this movie is a huge success. I get this picture of Miscaviage making a fit like a baby because this time it did not go his way. I love it! :lol:

So, they can shove this critic up their **** :biggrin:
 

pineapple

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Re: post your review of The Master!

The movie hasn't even opened yet, except in NY and L.A. Maybe you don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it? Or if you are going to provide a blow-by-blow, may I suggest you at least label your post with something like "Spoiler Alert"?
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
Excellent article from Tampa Bay Times:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/scient...nfused-with-many-references-to-church/1252420

Paul Thomas Anderson's 'The Master' is infused with many references to Church of Scientology By Joe Childs and Thomas C. Tobin, Times Staff Writers

Their comments suggest a muted, back-burner treatment of the endlessly controversial church. But don't be fooled.

Though no one in the film utters the word Scientology, The Master is thoroughly infused with allusions to Scientological beliefs, concepts and lingo. At certain moments, its visuals, characters and plot twists seem ripped from the church's history books.

To have captured the subject with such detail and nuance, the creative minds that shaped this film would need more than a casual knowledge of Scientology.
 

tetloj

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I read online that The Master isn't due for release in Australia until November. Major bummer! :bigcry:
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
It reminds me of the phrase "roman a clef". Of course that pertains to novels, but that's what it reminds me. Meaning, ok, not strictly autobiographical, but they are talking about that person and it is about that person.
 

Sautez

Patron with Honors
The Master LRH live interview 1967

Jumping in to add this vid as it is the best video I have ever seen on LRH.
Personal and live.
Lies at 13 minutes about how many wives he had (3 not 2) and fails to mention some of his children.
20 minutes he starts to lie about all the money coming in and boldly screws up his lies while saying them.
This is more juice for your understanding when you see: The Master.

[video]http://youtu.be/L_w-YWwC1lI[/video]

With love,
Sautez

And a special thanks to Arnie who has collected and stored TONS of excellent material that exposes the cult and El Swine Hubbard.
http://www.xenu.net/
 

Dave B.

Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
**SPOILERS** WARNING ** SPOILERS** WARNING


I just saw it. I thought it went very easy on Hubbard, uh excuse me, Dodd. :biggrin: I have no idea what the cult was worried about beyond the fact that they being control freaks didn't control the making of it. I can appreciate the fact that the cult management will not like the bathroom sink scene where uh........:omg: but, I thought that and the dictation scene captured the dynamic of their marriage perfectly.

I loved the 70mm, has a nice look to it. It may have been a tad too big for the film. I don't want to sound too arty-farty but I thought the film was 10 minutes too short. Somehow the last 1/3 didn't quite match the first 2/3. I wouldn't have minded a tiny bit of padding in that last reel, maybe make use of some Nibs dialogue, some back story etc. Anyway, I thought it ended a bit too soon.

The ending was somewhat ambiguous, I got it. Hey, Freddies choice was my choice too. (and yours) Thanks, but no thanks. I agree with the choice not to include the note on the noticeboard, trailer/outake scene, that would have been the "slam dunk" way to go about it. I appreciate the filmaker giving the audience some credit there.

Some great performances by PSH & JP. Those two are definitely award worthy i.m.o.

4/5 stars. Go see it.
 
I saw the movie today, and stand by the Rolling Stones review by Peter Travers, and also appreciate the last poster's review. This movie is truly worth seeing. It's enigmatic and will get people talking... not especially about the Co$ or L Ron Hubbard, but about the movie: the actors, the direction, the writing, the cinematography, the score. It's a whole package, and done to perfection. Be prepared, this movie is not for the kiddies.
 

Boson Wog Stark

Patron Meritorious
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/21/what-so-special-about-master/

Woe, Xenu has a friend (from the above article):
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And it became still more interesting after we learned that the primary financier for the film is one Megan Ellison, the 26-year-old daughter of Oracle software tycoon Larry Ellison. Indeed, after Scientology had seemingly stymied the movie’s production,the younger Ellison reportedly put as much as $35 million of her own money into making the movie. :clap:
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GoNuclear

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I saw the movie today. Quite frankly, I didn't get it nor did I care for it all that much. Yeah, there was good acting, a sprinkle of t&a, and some clear jabs at the Cof$/LRH. But in the end, it leaves you scratching your head going "WTF?"

I took the wife to see it, and, as per usual, she had trouble finding a comfortable seat in the theatre. If I see it again, the way to go would be with some weed smoking buddies, where we all toke up in the parking lot before going in. I suspect that the movie would make great sense if I was smoked out first.

Pete
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
I just noticed in that article that it was by the same director as "Boogie Nights." That being the case, what I was contemplating saying is even more acurate than what I thought ... that "The Master" with it's Lancaster Dodd character is to the HubTurd what "Boogie Nights" with its Dirk Diggler character was to the famous or infamous John C. Holmes. Ultimately though, even though it was a far less popular film, I liked "Wonderland" with Val Kilmer directly portraying John Holmes better than the stylized, fictionalized, sanitized version, "Boogie Nights." After the Cof$ collapse, some film maker will be able to do the "Wonderland" version of the HubTurd with all the grit and realism that would go with it.

Finally, better still ... and this came out BEFORE Wonderland ... was a 1999 documentary, "Wadd ... The Life and Times of John C. Holmes" which, because it was a documentary, had even more grit and realism than Wonderland, but it got virtually no box offfice and was more or less buried. And that would be the best way to do the HubTurd/Cof$ ... as a docudrama or documentary ... because truth sometimes is stranger than fiction, and there is no need to change anything around, it would be dramatic enough anyways.

Pete
 

rachelinmemphis

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Re: post your review of The Master!

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Just got home from watching The Master, and thought I'ld add my thoughts to the pot. Now that I look over the thread, I can see there is a full conversation going on here, and so should say that this doesn't add to the discussion, it's just my opinion of the film.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If you want the to know my position, in order to put what I say in context: I'm not, and never have been, a scientologist, am highly sceptical, although not completely anti, scientology as a religion/therapy. The Church of Scientology, however, is, to the best of my judgment, a highly abusive organisation, that is responsible for a great deal of harm up to, and including, human rights violations. The abusive nature of Co$ (again, as far as I can tell) started with Hubbard. These opinions have been formed by four years of almost obsessive reading about scientology.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Back to my take on The Master. I was fascinated by the intensity of the focus on a relationship between an older and younger man, and am now curious about other Paul Anderson films (this the first I have watched). The cinematography was also highly compelling. It was impossible for me to see Dodd as anyone other than LRH, and the cause as anything other than Scientology in its early years. This perception did not, however, distract me from watching the relationship between Dodd and Quell. And that's a good thing, because the LRH as caricatured by Dodd is far too innocent, and Mary-Sue and LRH-Jr are cast in a far too dark a light. Lancaster Dodd did not have children put in chain lockers, nor did he run from his crimes leaving his wife to take the rap; Peggy Dodd, meanwhile, was responsible for the attack-never-defend policy of the Cause, and for members signing billion year contracts; and Val Dodd was the only one who participated in the Cause fully aware it was a scam. Watching Anderson have fun with scientology terms/practices was entertaining --- my favourite was his renaming bull bating process 45 version 1. I'm glad I went, but won't feel inclined to watch it again for at least a couple of years.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Short version: It's about a platonic relationship between two men, the younger of whom is psychologically damaged. Everything about the film is done to the highest standard. The fact that the older man is fictional, sanitised version of L Ron Hubbard is incidental. [/FONT]
 

Dave B.

Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
Re: post your review of The Master!

From the other thread. Quoting myself.... sheesh.

**SPOILERS** WARNING ** SPOILERS** WARNING


I just saw it. I thought it went very easy on Hubbard, uh excuse me, Dodd. :biggrin: I have no idea what the cult was worried about beyond the fact that they being control freaks didn't control the making of it. I can appreciate the fact that the cult management will not like the bathroom sink scene where uh........:omg: but, I thought that and the dictation scene captured the dynamic of their marriage perfectly.

I loved the 70mm, has a nice look to it. It may have been a tad too big for the film. I don't want to sound too arty-farty but I thought the film was 10 minutes too short. Somehow the last 1/3 didn't quite match the first 2/3. I wouldn't have minded a tiny bit of padding in that last reel, maybe make use of some Nibs dialogue, some back story etc. Anyway, I thought it ended a bit too soon.

The ending was somewhat ambiguous, I got it. Hey, Freddies choice was my choice too. (and yours) Thanks, but no thanks. I agree with the choice not to include the note on the noticeboard, trailer/outake scene, that would have been the "slam dunk" way to go about it. I appreciate the filmaker giving the audience some credit there.

Some great performances by PSH & JP. Those two are definitely award worthy i.m.o.

4/5 stars. Go see it.​
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: post your review of The Master!

From the other thread. Quoting myself.... sheesh.

**SPOILERS** WARNING ** SPOILERS** WARNING


I just saw it. I thought it went very easy on Hubbard, uh excuse me, Dodd. :biggrin: I have no idea what the cult was worried about beyond the fact that they being control freaks didn't control the making of it. I can appreciate the fact that the cult management will not like the bathroom sink scene where uh........:omg: but, I thought that and the dictation scene captured the dynamic of their marriage perfectly.

I loved the 70mm, has a nice look to it. It may have been a tad too big for the film. I don't want to sound too arty-farty but I thought the film was 10 minutes too short. Somehow the last 1/3 didn't quite match the first 2/3. I wouldn't have minded a tiny bit of padding in that last reel, maybe make use of some Nibs dialogue, some back story etc. Anyway, I thought it ended a bit too soon.

The ending was somewhat ambiguous, I got it. Hey, Freddies choice was my choice too. (and yours) Thanks, but no thanks. I agree with the choice not to include the note on the noticeboard, trailer/outake scene, that would have been the "slam dunk" way to go about it. I appreciate the filmaker giving the audience some credit there.

Some great performances by PSH & JP. Those two are definitely award worthy i.m.o.

4/5 stars. Go see it.​

Personally, I didn't get it. But I might see it again, and, If I do, it will be AFTER smoking at least a bowl in the parking lot. I suspect that the movie will make TREMENDOUS sense after smoking a bowl or at least a joint. Of course, it would only make sense for a short while, and none the following day.

Pete
 

Jquepublic

Silver Meritorious Patron
Re: The Master LRH live interview 1967

Jumping in to add this vid as it is the best video I have ever seen on LRH.
Personal and live.
Lies at 13 minutes about how many wives he had (3 not 2) and fails to mention some of his children.
20 minutes he starts to lie about all the money coming in and boldly screws up his lies while saying them.
This is more juice for your understanding when you see: The Master.

[video]http://youtu.be/L_w-YWwC1lI[/video]

With love,
Sautez

And a special thanks to Arnie who has collected and stored TONS of excellent material that exposes the cult and El Swine Hubbard.
http://www.xenu.net/

No lie, I went to see The Master last night at a local independent theater and they showed "The Shrinking World of L. Ron Hubbard" instead of previews before the film! :thumbsup:
 

Lone Star

Crusader
I saw the movie today. Quite frankly, I didn't get it nor did I care for it all that much. Yeah, there was good acting, a sprinkle of t&a, and some clear jabs at the Cof$/LRH. But in the end, it leaves you scratching your head going "WTF?"

I took the wife to see it, and, as per usual, she had trouble finding a comfortable seat in the theatre. If I see it again, the way to go would be with some weed smoking buddies, where we all toke up in the parking lot before going in. I suspect that the movie would make great sense if I was smoked out first.

Pete

I think I'm going to feel the same way about the movie when I see it. For one thing, I do not like PT Anderson's work. He's just not my kind of movie maker. His movies are way too long for one thing, and they just don't end up making much sense. I hated Magnolia for example. I know many people who love Magnolia and I'm probably in the minority here too. Couldn't stand Punch Drunk Love either. There will Be Blood was pretty good, but again it was way too damn long.

But, overall I'm glad he made The Master. Who knows, it may inspire more movies about Hubbard and Scientology.
 

Sautez

Patron with Honors
Re: The Master **Spoiler alert!**

No lie, I went to see The Master last night at a local independent theater and they showed "The Shrinking World of L. Ron Hubbard" instead of previews before the film! :thumbsup:

*Contains mini spoiler alert*

Oh! I wish it was in the theater I went to last night!
Osa was in attendance with their ultra serious looks and one was also posted right outside the door. Obvious movie copiers sat in the back row so it should start showing up soon on Youtube for all you Aussies. :happydance:

Spoiler: My favorite lines in the movie paraphrased:

"So Dodd, in book 1 You use the phrase "Can you RECALL?"
But now in book 2 you say "Can you IMAGINE?" "Why is that?"

It took me a second to get it in relationship to the OT levels and much of the information in Scientology, but then it quickly became my favorite line of the evening. After I left the theater I kept smiling remembering the way that line was delivered. (And his reaction to it which I won't tell you here)

I found the movie to flow more slowly than I thought it would. I am a tad greedy and wanted more facts, human drama and action. I had to keep reminding myself for the first hour that this is a glimpse into the epicenter of LRH in the 50's and NOT a documentary on the subject. It is not the screenplay or drama series we could so easily create right here from this website alone.

Hoffman, Phoenix and Adams all did a very good job. The wives and women looked like LRH's wives. I also liked the sex scene, although I will refrain from describing it here. Selfish and self-serving is all I'll say.
What bothered me about the movie?
Instead of having Dodd (LRH) be the originator of important things like over-boarding, angry tirades, drug use, demands for loyal service, and beating up dissenters the Director chose to show others doing these actions. Maybe that was to avoid liability or further attacks from COS?
The movie kept having other people say things like "You join us for a billion years or not at all." Disciples took it upon them selves to kick the crap out of people who shared negative comments on the tech or LRH where as in real life--LRH would have been giving the orders or doing it himself and relishing every moment while he said he didn't like having to do it.

Also in the movie LRH seemed very loving (maybe it was just charismatic?) and kept saying things to his family like: "I love you" so this does not seem reality based. ARC (Affinity, reality, communication triangle) took the place of love in Scientology near the beginning from what I understand. Manic or power-based 'affinity' for your minions is not the same as love. Now I am wondering how much LRH had the genuine emotions of pure love at all towards his kids, family, minions or otherwise.

The character (Dodd) was able to turn emotions on and off, seemingly at will which is what we might expect from a narcissistic, misogynistic, dark megalomaniac. He obviously loved being the center of attention. He uses ruin and personal fact gathering right away in a session and I relished that it was shown as recorded.
Also- the buildings start as run down and old fashioned then end up being like the New Orgs. Huge, God-like rooms with a perfect combination of austerity and power.
I could go on and on with this spoiler. Don't hate me, I warned you! :coolwink:

Dodd's son looks a lot like (Ron jr) and says when referring to his dad: "Don't you know? ...That he just makes this stuff up as he goes along?"
It is clear that he is treated like a lackey during the movie.

I am going to see this again for all the little things I may have missed and buy it when it comes out.
 
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