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The Old Days - At the FLB 1975

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
Quoting Wanda Novak:

<snip> I walked back into the room where my son was lying down. Don Hill was there telling my unconscious son that he was in the wrong body to do what he wanted to do this life.

I asked Don Hill what was going on. He said, “Nothing.” <snip>
That's about the most insane and evil shit I've ever heard about!

Considering what this 'scientologist' believes.. He's actually telling the boy, the thetan, to leave his body. Which would mean he'd die.. So this is an 'End Of Cycle' command.. He's doing it while the boy is unconcious, so if he doesn't die he has an engram with the above mindboggeling content!

No wonder he told the boys mother that he did 'nothing'..

Gawd!!!!
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
The Wacky World of Scientology Admin

In this latest post Flag is robotically implementing a policy on illegal pc's. Wanda, the pc in question, has been getting her auditing to the tune of $big buck$, she's having some incredible wins, her husband is there on course, both are Opinion Leaders in their home town, and now they want to boot her out. :omg:

The last time I came down to Flag, I think it was ’79… or maybe ’81. That was when they were doing their purge. It was a Sec Check, and they quaded it. I sat outside the ethics office for 2.5 days. I entertained everyone with jokes and stories because it was such a dismal thing. So they took me in, and this young whipper-snapper--because by that time a lot of the old folks were gone--but Wally Burgess was still there, and Wally and I had been good friends from the day I walked into the place. He was the one that finally found out that after the third time I was there I had never routed in. I just went in, said, “I need my sessions,” and they put me in session. And when I ran into an ethics situation with the Mission in Omaha, Wally said, “Wanda, why wasn’t this debugged when you came in on your routing?” I told him I didn’t think I had ever finished a routing form. So we went ahead and finished that routing form.

Meanwhile back to ’81 and the ethics officer… When it was my turn, the ethics officer denied my receiving services for this lifetime as I had seen a psychiatrist while going through my first marriage divorce. I couldn’t handle my first marriage breakup [years earlier], I went to a psychiatrist and I checked myself into a psycho ward because I couldn’t stop crying. They gave me drugs, the mildest form of drugs. As soon as I rested, I got my head on straight then I walked out. Everything was fine. I never had any problems after that. And I had no ethical problems. I went to see Wally for help, but he was busy with new arrivals.

So I found a tech book in the library, opened it to the appropriate reference and wrote a petition in my room.  I would find a reference like that from time to time. Wally knocked at my door.  He said that he could see from the expression on my face that there was something really wrong. I said, “Yeah. They have these young kids around here that don’t know beans from apple-butter.” I said, “They denied me services for a lifetime.”

Wally said, “BULLSHIT!” turned on his heel, and left. I found out later that he went down to the ethics office. As I said, I had been entertaining the people waiting to see the E/O and the guy who had been sitting right next to me was in there with the E/O when Wally arrived. According to that fellow, Wally told the E/O, “I want to see Wanda Novak’s file.” He looked it over then remarked, “You’ve made a mistake on this one,” then walked out.

So when I came in with my petition they let me back in. At $750 an hour they quadded a sec check on me and found nothing wrong. Then I didn’t have enough money to go back into NOTs. I had just $1500 or something like that left on my account. Nathan came in having finished his thing. He asked if I was going to do any more. I said no I don’t have enough money. We took the shuttle back to the airport.

As they let us off Nathan said to me they had talked to him about joining staff. I said, “It’s a mistake. You shouldn’t do that as I'm never going back there again.” Not only did I never go back, but they returned my account balance to me. When we had to file bankruptcy I wrote them a letter explaining the situation. I let them know that I had just received their statement with my credit balance on it,  I said I have to turn all this over to the bankruptcy court. So your statement will go to the court. However if you want to send me the money we won’t put it in with the bankruptcy proceedings. They sent me my money!

Years later, some former Scientologists at Knowledgism in Dallas said I should get it all back. But I really had some incredible wins out of the Flag processing. I have told several present Scientologists to their faces that the technology is good, but the organization sucks. My reality is that it is run by a bunch of ex addicts. What do they know? They have never done anything in their lives other than run this organization. Some people think they’ve run it into the ground. Even their PR officer of late, I hear her, she is very pleasant and very nice, but they just don’t have any reality on what to do [about their situation]. And I think they don’t always tell the truth.​
 

Terril park

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In this latest post Flag is robotically implementing a policy on illegal pc's. Wanda, the pc in question, has been getting her auditing to the tune of $big buck$, she's having some incredible wins, her husband is there on course, both are Opinion Leaders in their home town, and now they want to boot her out. :omg:

The last time I came down to Flag, I think it was ’79… or maybe ’81. That was when they were doing their purge. It was a Sec Check, and they quaded it. I sat outside the ethics office for 2.5 days. I entertained everyone with jokes and stories because it was such a dismal thing. So they took me in, and this young whipper-snapper--because by that time a lot of the old folks were gone--but Wally Burgess was still there, and Wally and I had been good friends from the day I walked into the place. He was the one that finally found out that after the third time I was there I had never routed in. I just went in, said, “I need my sessions,” and they put me in session. And when I ran into an ethics situation with the Mission in Omaha, Wally said, “Wanda, why wasn’t this debugged when you came in on your routing?” I told him I didn’t think I had ever finished a routing form. So we went ahead and finished that routing form.

Meanwhile back to ’81 and the ethics officer… When it was my turn, the ethics officer denied my receiving services for this lifetime as I had seen a psychiatrist while going through my first marriage divorce. I couldn’t handle my first marriage breakup [years earlier], I went to a psychiatrist and I checked myself into a psycho ward because I couldn’t stop crying. They gave me drugs, the mildest form of drugs. As soon as I rested, I got my head on straight then I walked out. Everything was fine. I never had any problems after that. And I had no ethical problems. I went to see Wally for help, but he was busy with new arrivals.

So I found a tech book in the library, opened it to the appropriate reference and wrote a petition in my room.  I would find a reference like that from time to time. Wally knocked at my door.  He said that he could see from the expression on my face that there was something really wrong. I said, “Yeah. They have these young kids around here that don’t know beans from apple-butter.” I said, “They denied me services for a lifetime.”

Wally said, “BULLSHIT!” turned on his heel, and left. I found out later that he went down to the ethics office. As I said, I had been entertaining the people waiting to see the E/O and the guy who had been sitting right next to me was in there with the E/O when Wally arrived. According to that fellow, Wally told the E/O, “I want to see Wanda Novak’s file.” He looked it over then remarked, “You’ve made a mistake on this one,” then walked out.

So when I came in with my petition they let me back in. At $750 an hour they quadded a sec check on me and found nothing wrong. Then I didn’t have enough money to go back into NOTs. I had just $1500 or something like that left on my account. Nathan came in having finished his thing. He asked if I was going to do any more. I said no I don’t have enough money. We took the shuttle back to the airport.

As they let us off Nathan said to me they had talked to him about joining staff. I said, “It’s a mistake. You shouldn’t do that as I'm never going back there again.” Not only did I never go back, but they returned my account balance to me. When we had to file bankruptcy I wrote them a letter explaining the situation. I let them know that I had just received their statement with my credit balance on it,  I said I have to turn all this over to the bankruptcy court. So your statement will go to the court. However if you want to send me the money we won’t put it in with the bankruptcy proceedings. They sent me my money!

Years later, some former Scientologists at Knowledgism in Dallas said I should get it all back. But I really had some incredible wins out of the Flag processing. I have told several present Scientologists to their faces that the technology is good, but the organization sucks. My reality is that it is run by a bunch of ex addicts. What do they know? They have never done anything in their lives other than run this organization. Some people think they’ve run it into the ground. Even their PR officer of late, I hear her, she is very pleasant and very nice, but they just don’t have any reality on what to do [about their situation]. And I think they don’t always tell the truth.​

I believe this may even be the last post of anyone praising Flag tech.

I was at flag on FEBC in 1981. I still remember seeing a girl awarded her NED interneship pass. She was jumping for joy. Only time I ever saw that phenomenon. She was probably one of the last to jump for joy there.
 

auntpat

Patron with Honors
Thanks Ted

Great story and information.

I just about fell out of my wheelchair when Don Hill was mentioned. This is the guy who was nuttier than a fruit cake when he returned from the ship and Class VIII training. My husband and I were working at his misssion. He was the guy who I told to shut his F--king mouth when he was screaming at a student and his wife,

After we left his mission some of my friends wrote me asking for help. They thought because I was in LA I could contact some ethics personal. Don was telling everyone not to waste money on auditing and training but to buy guns, amunition, food, and water, etc and hide it in their basements because there was going to be war in the streets.

I copied their letters and sent them to the guy in charge of missions and to every ethics officer I knew of. Action taken.....com ev on me and my friends.

But Don was also the guy that called the com-ev on my husband and me and another couple for "spreading rumors about a senior scntologist". That com-ev was the perverble STRAW and I left the com-ev and co$ that day. So I guess I owe him for that.

Love and Light,
Pat
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Thankyou Wanda and TED :D


Origiginally posted by Ted for Wanda Novak
The last time I came down to Flag, I think it was ’79… or maybe ’81. That was when they were doing their purge. It was a Sec Check, and they quaded it. I sat outside the ethics office for 2.5 days. I entertained everyone with jokes and stories because it was such a dismal thing. So they took me in, and this young whipper-snapper--because by that time a lot of the old folks were gone--but Wally Burgess was still there, and Wally and I had been good friends from the day I walked into the place. He was the one that finally found out that after the third time I was there I had never routed in. I just went in, said, “I need my sessions,” and they put me in session. And when I ran into an ethics situation with the Mission in Omaha, Wally said, “Wanda, why wasn’t this debugged when you came in on your routing?” I told him I didn’t think I had ever finished a routing form. So we went ahead and finished that routing form.

Meanwhile back to ’81 and the ethics officer… When it was my turn, the ethics officer denied my receiving services for this lifetime as I had seen a psychiatrist while going through my first marriage divorce. I couldn’t handle my first marriage breakup [years earlier], I went to a psychiatrist and I checked myself into a psycho ward because I couldn’t stop crying. They gave me drugs, the mildest form of drugs. As soon as I rested, I got my head on straight then I walked out. Everything was fine. I never had any problems after that. And I had no ethical problems. I went to see Wally for help, but he was busy with new arrivals.

Charming. Wanda, same here. I knew Wally Burgess from 1981 and 82 at the FLB. He was so well loved. Arrivals always seemed to take up his time is right.

I got stuck down at the Flag Ethics office too. They took thousands from me in 1981. I went home and one year later Int went out again and I was freewheeling. I went back in 82 and gave them 10,000 to hold until I could get a new D of P and a new tech estimate. (This they required of me before setting up the interview) They were not supposed to deposit it Thurs at 2pm. The cashier's check was to be forwarded to AOLA if the estimate was too high for me. It was too high as it turned out. I found I had to ask for a refund as they had deposited it for the weekly stat. Shitheads!!!! I told them to go ahead and expell me cause I was not making a Calif org service me on a mere paper transfer. I said I'd been in touch with Nicole Sims registrar there and she was waiting.

To make this brutally short, I had to stop by the MAA regarding my PTSness before completing my routing out. I'd gotten my return in the form of a new cashier's check! This naive stupid bitch took a snippet from the Tech Dict about suicides being psychotic and mimeo'd it onto a piece of paper adding an unrelated snippet that it was not the duty of the FLB to audit psychotics and stapled it to a confessional item culled from my first Life Repair folder at age 17 where I admitted taking too many quaaludes. She LIED and pretended her collage was ONE single policy letter. I was now NOT eligible for Flag processing although Jeff Walker had C/Sed me during earlier trips to Flag in the 3 yrs prior. He had even written to me personally at my home. I made this point perfectly clear. She had only been on staff for a couple of months and was only 20. I WAS SO PISSED OFF I DID NOT EVEN WANT TO APPEAL. This is when the warning bells began to sound. These MAAs were the people handling the futures of those coming to the safest and friendliest place on the planet. It would not have been so bad if she hadn't gleamed over the power she had over me psychologically. Oh, the pride she took in having 'discovered' a rollercoaster who might interfere with KSW!
 
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lkwdblds

Crusader
Using a "psych history" to best advantage.

In response to Ted's post with the following comment about the Ethics Office in '81, I was reminded of a Recruitment cycle between myself and a recruiter in Feb 1999, my last trip to Flag:

Ted wrote, "Meanwhile back to ’81 and the ethics officer… When it was my turn, the ethics officer denied my receiving services for this lifetime as I had seen a psychiatrist while going through my first marriage divorce. I couldn’t handle my first marriage breakup [years earlier], I went to a psychiatrist and I checked myself into a psycho ward because I couldn’t stop crying. They gave me drugs, the mildest form of drugs. As soon as I rested, I got my head on straight then I walked out. Everything was fine. I never had any problems after that. And I had no ethical problems. I went to see Wally for help, but he was busy with new arrivals."

In '99 I was put on 2 routing forms, the first was to receive the service which I came there to receive; the second Routing Form forced one to visit and be regged at the offices of all the Scn front groups such as WISE, Narconon, The Super Power Building Fund, Applied Scholastics, etc. and then also visit the Sea Org recruiter.

THE SUPER POWER BUILDING FUND AND HOW $1,000 IS MADE TO SEEM A PITTANCE!

When I arrived at Flag, I was maxed out financially. Business was okay but my expenses were high. I scraped together $7,500 for auditing plus $1,000 to cover room and board and my plane ticket. I had a 17 year old son and a 12 1/2 year old daugher at home with the daughter in private school and I was paying on a home mortgage.

I routed to the Super Power Building first and a reg cycle opened up something like an auction. The sum of $40,000 was demanded of me. I told them that they had the wrong guy, that I was tapped out. They countered $20,000, then $10,000, then at $5,000, the female reg said that she could not go any lower, I must pay the $5,000 before she would route me on. I told her that I just did not have the money. I demanded that she sign me off and let me move on or I was going to write a report to the LRH host. Finally, she said, "give me $1,000 and I'll sign you off. I had a credit card on me which still had some capacity and authorized a payment of $1,000. That was the only payment that I ever made on the Super Power building.

I thought that I got off easy but in reality, $1,000 can be a major sum in a tight economy and is a nice piece of cash. By starting me at $40k, when we got to $1k, it seemed like a pittance but it really isn't. I gave it to them and never received any exchange whatsoever. The friggin building which we were told would open in 3 years has never opened and it is now 13 years later!

TURNING A "PSYCH HISTORY" TO ONE'S ADVANTAGE AT THE RECRUITER'S OFFICE.

At the recruiter's office, I was met by a tall, thin young German woman with black hair. She had me watch a S.O. movie and then had me sit down across from her desk and demanded of me that I join the S.O.

I told her that I had alread been in from '71 to '73 and that it was one of the worst experiences of my life. She fought me tooth and nail, literally demanding that I rejoin, saying that to do otherwise was completely out ethics.

I insisted that I had a wife and two kids back home, I had a house payment to make and I ran my own construction business with many jobs on the street where people's homes were torn up and I needed to return home and finish remodeling their homes. I told her that I was 59 years old and too old to start fresh in the S.O.

The recruiter never waivered one iota. She said that she would design a "handling" so I could sell off my business, sell my house and wrap up my affairs and be back at Flag and sign my S.O. contract in 30 days. I told her that she was nuts. She insisted that she would never sign off on my routing form and allow me to be so out ethics as to not see that focusing only on my 1st and 2nd dynamics was a total betrayal of LRH, his tech and everything that Scn stood for. I argued quoting various policies where LRH states otherwise. She said that even if it took all day, she would not sign off until I agreed to join the S.O.

I racked my brain trying to figure how I was going to get this psycho to sign me off. Finally, a solution came to mind. I HAD A PSYCH HISTORY !!! I knew that if I mentioned this then she had to sign me off as ineligible.

I played my cards like a poker player. I spoke slowly and looked her directly in the eye. I said, "You know, what you say is making sense to me but there is something about me which you do not know." She asked what it was and I told her that I went to see a Psychiatrist for 5 one hour visits in 1967 to discuss problems I was having on my 2 D.

She became very concerned and asked what type of therapy he used. When I told her that it was two way comm in a Freudian manner. She looked in her hat pack and said that did not qualify as a psych history. I then said, oh yes, he prescribed a tranquilizer for me to take called "Librium". She said that she needed to look that up in a large volume she had which contained all "psych medications" which were then in use. I mentioned that Librium went out of use in the late 60's and was replaced by Valium.

After about 15 minutes of study, she read up on Valium and the article mentioned Librium being an earlier version of valium. She looked up at me and was very, very happy. She then announced to me that I did have a "psych" history and had been on "psych drugs" and that explains fully why I failed in my earlier stint in the S.O. She was suddenly very happy and smiling. She signed my routing form and then scolded me a little for taking up so much of her valuable time.

I started talking, also in a good mood, and she cut me off and said, "I don't want you talking to me. You are a DB and a downstat, you are not qualified to be in the S.O. You've already wasted too much of my time! You must leave my office immediately." I picked up my things and quickly left. I could see her writing her report for her seniors. She would not be upbraided for not closing me nor lose her stat. She would get another stat which would make her look good and that stat was for spotting a DB and refusing him entry to the Sea Org.

This happened in February 1999. I returned to my Org, going back on course and stayed in C of S for about two more years. When I finished the course I was on, I decided not to go onto my next scheduled course and I routed off Org lines on a medical leave. Somewhere in late 2000 or early 2001, CCLA roughed up my daughter on a recruitment cycle and I left for good, never setting foot again in any Org and no longer attending any of the big Scio events.
 
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... She insisted that she would never sign off on my routing form and allow me to be so out ethics as to not see that focusing only on my 1st and 2nd dynamics was a total betrayal of LRH, his tech and everything that Scn stood for. ...

The SO Serfac? :eyeroll:


Mark A. Baker
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Too Incredible!

If you thought any part of Wanda's story was too incredible, just read on. This is the kind of stuff that just floors me when I think back as to what I was doing at the time. I was promoting Hubbard as a great genius, bragging him up to new folks. Boy, was I ever a dupe. While I and my auditor friends, and good staff, were doing what we could to help the people that came to us, Hubbard and people using his system were wreaking havoc behind the scene. It reminds me of walking into AOLA one fine Saturday morning just after the FBI had raided the place. I was there to help my preclears and pre-OTs. Hubbard had been busy breaking the law and generally stirring a hornet's nest of government agencies.

What a bunch of sh*t.

Hubbard's paranoia destroyed all the good anyone else managed to contribute. Here's a situation where two "upstat" people, Opinion Leaders in their home town, wanted to do something to help their community and help Scientology. Before they could do anything they were security checked at their expense. Then when they had something worthwhile built up, the church accepted a letter (KR?) from a nut case, acted on it, and squashed the entire program. No wonder the church cannot Clear itself much less a planet.

Here's the continuation of Wanda's story:

We made one trip to Flag not because we were going for services but because they were going to comm ev Don Hill. He had stopped us from establishing NARCONON in Omaha after we had it all lined up for success. You can’t believe what we did. [“We” is Wanda and Nathan.] 

To begin, we took their sec check. We established $120,000 in the bank account for the purpose of running this project. We promoted it by going to every shopping organization or mall in Omaha to present our plan to shop owners. They agreed to donating a certain percentage of their annual income to the cause. Our stated goal was to reduce drug addiction and therefore curtail shoplifting. Ultimately, donations to our plan would have saved the shop owners far more than the cost of drug-related theft. It was a good plan.

Nathan was president of the Omaha Housing Authority. He had two apartments lined up for NARCONON in South Omaha, and one in North Omaha. We had the money in the bank and the money continuing to go into the bank. We were going to buy a farm about 30 miles out of the city. That’s where we would do the Purif and the beginning two weeks of their NARCONON program. 

Because Nathan was in the car business we had access to vans that would take people from Omaha to the farm, and back to town as needed. There was an organization called Bridge that was a methadone program. We had the ED of that, and a doctor who specialized in drug rehab, and the director of a program the government ran downtown where they put these guys and gals in a hotel while they got them jobs as they were getting off drugs. We flew these three people to Denver--we went with them. There was a guy there in Denver who was working with the state in a program for teen drug addicts. He thought that what we were doing was absolutely fantastic, and he was going to endorse it.

We had people coming from the methadone program. All tolled, we had 120 clients lined up just from the overflow of everything that was going on in Omaha. Like I said, we had money in the bank, we had cash flow, we had a place to put people. In the midst of our activities, Don Hill wrote a letter to the org in St. Louis. The letter said that Nathan was the head of the mafia in Omaha, NB, and he had no business running a NARCONON program. So they stopped it.

We called all over the world--Europe, Sweden, Switzerland, St. Hill--trying to get an ED to come in. We were going to pay them $40,000 plus commission. Nobody would talk to us, and that’s why, because Don Hill sent the letter. 

We were going to have a meeting with the ethics officer at Flag and Don Hill because he was down there getting services. The two of us flew in from Omaha, arrived around noon. Don Hill came into the meeting to state, “I’m finished with my services and I’m leaving for the airport in an hour to fly to Omaha.” You know it would have been a lot cheaper had we flown everybody into Omaha and had the meeting there. You know, it was just a goofy way to run a railroad. That was 1978, maybe 1979. 

We had so much lined up, and so many people in Omaha anxious for it because Nathan and I were behind it. It just got wasted. Everything got wasted! 

Then they held a comm ev on Don Hill. JB, his wife, Nathan and I all testified against him. Then JB’s brother and his wife returned from L.A. to start a Mission in Bellevue. Hill organized his group to go down and literally kill JB’s brother. Hill’s group broke into their house around 11 or 12 o’clock at night. They broke the guy’s nose and attempted to push it up in his brain. His wife came out with a gun. She was going to shoot them all. The neighbors called the cops because the B’s wouldn't call the cops. I was at the hospital with the wife while JB’s brother was being treated. The people from St. Louis came in. They said that they were going to handle the situation. They looked at me like I didn’t need to be there, so I left. 

To this day the B family do not think that Scientology was wrong. I said, “Why do you belong to those people? They are nuts!” The wife said, “I guess maybe I have to belong to a group. The technology is good.” I said, “I never said the technology was no good. All of you B’s have used the technology and used the green books and you’ve been very, very successful in your businesses.” 

I could not believe that here’s a group of people that broke into their house, busted this guy’s nose, tried to push it up into his brain to kill him, and they probably would have succeeded had the wife not come out with a gun threatening to shoot them all. Then the B’s wouldn’t press charges, but the neighbors did for disturbing the peace. That was around ’81 or ’82.

Nothing came of Don Hill’s comm ev.​
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
You know, I have been gone since 1983 and I really didn't have a dog in this fight any more. I'd forgotten much of it and didn't have that much input other than my pictures. But I see by my foul language I am still angry inside about the youthful competitive attitude, cold heartedness and lack of grace that was so common in the 'young rulers'. . .:melodramatic: What we all had to deal with in the name of reclaiming our spirituality. :angry:
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
You know, I have been gone since 1983 and I really didn't have a dog in this fight any more. I'd forgotten much of it and didn't have that much input other than my pictures. But I see by my foul language I am still angry inside about the youthful competitive attitude, cold heartedness and lack of grace that was so common in the 'young rulers'. . .:melodramatic: What we all had to deal with in the name of cultivating a higher spirituality. :angry:

Retreating to the forest. Be back with pics. :thumbsup:


I don't have a dog in this fight either. But I did leave some skin in the game. And I want it back.
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
That's a hot term these days too. "Skin in the game". :) You hear it on the news a lot.

We all got skint.

What I have noticed is that if you want to really get people to lay into each other with zeal, you get those whose development level is just right. Its always the 19 to 28 yr olds. Car dealers, bill collectors, salesman, HP reps, Travelocity reps, Sears call centers. Its the hormone level of a certain age group whether male or female that makes 'some' enjoy the conquering and the feeding off another's vanquishment. The HUNT. The age that most enjoys this social smackdown. Look at the prime time 'last man standing' shows. Whether its brides or bachelors or voting each other out of the Frat house, or college hazing or spring break bullying. That's why I always ask to talk to someone who is old when I get through to any customer service. :D Older is better. You might get a human being instead of a hormone. (And in the case of the Sea Org, a repressed one.)
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
That's why I always ask to talk to someone who is old when I get through to any customer service. :D Older is better.

You might get a human being instead of a hormone. (And in the case of the Sea Org, a repressed one.)

Hats you have a way with words..
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
That's a hot term these days too. "Skin in the game". :) You hear it on the news a lot.

We all got skint.

What I have noticed is that if you want to really get people to lay into each other with zeal, you get those whose development level is just right. Its always the 19 to 28 yr olds. Car dealers, bill collectors, salesman, HP reps, Travelocity reps, Sears call centers. Its the hormone level of a certain age group whether male or female that makes 'some' enjoy the conquering and the feeding off another's vanquishment. The HUNT. The age that most enjoys this social smackdown. Look at the prime time 'last man standing' shows. Whether its brides or bachelors or voting each other out of the Frat house, or college hazing or spring break bullying. That's why I always ask to talk to someone who is old when I get through to any customer service. :D Older is better. You might get a human being instead of a hormone. (And in the case of the Sea Org, a repressed one.)


Ain't that the truth.

Good advice, too.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Terril park

Sponsor
If you thought any part of Wanda's story was too incredible, just read on. This is the kind of stuff that just floors me when I think back as to what I was doing at the time. I was promoting Hubbard as a great genius, bragging him up to new folks. Boy, was I ever a dupe. While I and my auditor friends, and good staff, were doing what we could to help the people that came to us, Hubbard and people using his system were wreaking havoc behind the scene. It reminds me of walking into AOLA one fine Saturday morning just after the FBI had raided the place. I was there to help my preclears and pre-OTs. Hubbard had been busy breaking the law and generally stirring a hornet's nest of government agencies.

What a bunch of sh*t.

Hubbard's paranoia destroyed all the good anyone else managed to contribute. Here's a situation where two "upstat" people, Opinion Leaders in their home town, wanted to do something to help their community and help Scientology. Before they could do anything they were security checked at their expense. Then when they had something worthwhile built up, the church accepted a letter (KR?) from a nut case, acted on it, and squashed the entire program. No wonder the church cannot Clear itself much less a planet.

Here's the continuation of Wanda's story:

We made one trip to Flag not because we were going for services but because they were going to comm ev Don Hill. He had stopped us from establishing NARCONON in Omaha after we had it all lined up for success. You can’t believe what we did. [“We” is Wanda and Nathan.] 

To begin, we took their sec check. We established $120,000 in the bank account for the purpose of running this project. We promoted it by going to every shopping organization or mall in Omaha to present our plan to shop owners. They agreed to donating a certain percentage of their annual income to the cause. Our stated goal was to reduce drug addiction and therefore curtail shoplifting. Ultimately, donations to our plan would have saved the shop owners far more than the cost of drug-related theft. It was a good plan.

Nathan was president of the Omaha Housing Authority. He had two apartments lined up for NARCONON in South Omaha, and one in North Omaha. We had the money in the bank and the money continuing to go into the bank. We were going to buy a farm about 30 miles out of the city. That’s where we would do the Purif and the beginning two weeks of their NARCONON program. 

Because Nathan was in the car business we had access to vans that would take people from Omaha to the farm, and back to town as needed. There was an organization called Bridge that was a methadone program. We had the ED of that, and a doctor who specialized in drug rehab, and the director of a program the government ran downtown where they put these guys and gals in a hotel while they got them jobs as they were getting off drugs. We flew these three people to Denver--we went with them. There was a guy there in Denver who was working with the state in a program for teen drug addicts. He thought that what we were doing was absolutely fantastic, and he was going to endorse it.

We had people coming from the methadone program. All tolled, we had 120 clients lined up just from the overflow of everything that was going on in Omaha. Like I said, we had money in the bank, we had cash flow, we had a place to put people. In the midst of our activities, Don Hill wrote a letter to the org in St. Louis. The letter said that Nathan was the head of the mafia in Omaha, NB, and he had no business running a NARCONON program. So they stopped it.

We called all over the world--Europe, Sweden, Switzerland, St. Hill--trying to get an ED to come in. We were going to pay them $40,000 plus commission. Nobody would talk to us, and that’s why, because Don Hill sent the letter. 

We were going to have a meeting with the ethics officer at Flag and Don Hill because he was down there getting services. The two of us flew in from Omaha, arrived around noon. Don Hill came into the meeting to state, “I’m finished with my services and I’m leaving for the airport in an hour to fly to Omaha.” You know it would have been a lot cheaper had we flown everybody into Omaha and had the meeting there. You know, it was just a goofy way to run a railroad. That was 1978, maybe 1979. 

We had so much lined up, and so many people in Omaha anxious for it because Nathan and I were behind it. It just got wasted. Everything got wasted! 

Then they held a comm ev on Don Hill. JB, his wife, Nathan and I all testified against him. Then JB’s brother and his wife returned from L.A. to start a Mission in Bellevue. Hill organized his group to go down and literally kill JB’s brother. Hill’s group broke into their house around 11 or 12 o’clock at night. They broke the guy’s nose and attempted to push it up in his brain. His wife came out with a gun. She was going to shoot them all. The neighbors called the cops because the B’s wouldn't call the cops. I was at the hospital with the wife while JB’s brother was being treated. The people from St. Louis came in. They said that they were going to handle the situation. They looked at me like I didn’t need to be there, so I left. 

To this day the B family do not think that Scientology was wrong. I said, “Why do you belong to those people? They are nuts!” The wife said, “I guess maybe I have to belong to a group. The technology is good.” I said, “I never said the technology was no good. All of you B’s have used the technology and used the green books and you’ve been very, very successful in your businesses.” 

I could not believe that here’s a group of people that broke into their house, busted this guy’s nose, tried to push it up into his brain to kill him, and they probably would have succeeded had the wife not come out with a gun threatening to shoot them all. Then the B’s wouldn’t press charges, but the neighbors did for disturbing the peace. That was around ’81 or ’82.

Nothing came of Don Hill’s comm ev.​

So sad. What could have been. :(
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
So sad. What could have been. :(


This is just one story among thousands. If anything could come of these stories on ESMB and elsewhere I would hope that a compilation could bring it all together. It would be extremely refreshing to find out what the right hand of Scientology was doing while the left hand was doing something else, and the head and mouth were busy telling the rest of the body how great things were "over there."

Old Rum Tubbard had a farm, ee-i--ee-i-oh.

And he milked us cows, and slaughtered some hogs, ... ee-i-ee-i-oh.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
We had people coming from the methadone program. All tolled, we had 120 clients lined up just from the overflow of everything that was going on in Omaha. Like I said, we had money in the bank, we had cash flow, we had a place to put people. In the midst of our activities, Don Hill wrote a letter to the org in St. Louis. The letter said that Nathan was the head of the mafia in Omaha, NB, and he had no business running a NARCONON program. So they stopped it.

We called all over the world--Europe, Sweden, Switzerland, St. Hill--trying to get an ED to come in. We were going to pay them $40,000 plus commission. Nobody would talk to us, and that’s why, because Don Hill sent the letter. 

We were going to have a meeting with the ethics officer at Flag and Don Hill because he was down there getting services. The two of us flew in from Omaha, arrived around noon. Don Hill came into the meeting to state, “I’m finished with my services and I’m leaving for the airport in an hour to fly to Omaha.” You know it would have been a lot cheaper had we flown everybody into Omaha and had the meeting there. You know, it was just a goofy way to run a railroad. That was 1978, maybe 1979. 

We had so much lined up, and so many people in Omaha anxious for it because Nathan and I were behind it. It just got wasted. Everything got wasted! 

Then they held a comm ev on Don Hill. JB, his wife, Nathan and I all testified against him. Then JB’s brother and his wife returned from L.A. to start a Mission in Bellevue. Hill organized his group to go down and literally kill JB’s brother. Hill’s group broke into their house around 11 or 12 o’clock at night. They broke the guy’s nose and attempted to push it up in his brain. His wife came out with a gun. She was going to shoot them all. The neighbors called the cops because the B’s wouldn't call the cops. I was at the hospital with the wife while JB’s brother was being treated. The people from St. Louis came in. They said that they were going to handle the situation. They looked at me like I didn’t need to be there, so I left. 

To this day the B family do not think that Scientology was wrong. I said, “Why do you belong to those people? They are nuts!” The wife said, “I guess maybe I have to belong to a group. The technology is good.” I said, “I never said the technology was no good. All of you B’s have used the technology and used the green books and you’ve been very, very successful in your businesses.” 

I could not believe that here’s a group of people that broke into their house, busted this guy’s nose, tried to push it up into his brain to kill him, and they probably would have succeeded had the wife not come out with a gun threatening to shoot them all. Then the B’s wouldn’t press charges, but the neighbors did for disturbing the peace. That was around ’81 or ’82.

Nothing came of Don Hill’s comm ev.[/INDENT]

The combination of Don's behavior, the way his wild statements were believed, his violence, and especially the way the Comm Ev didn't touch him, leads me to think there's a hidden history regarding Don, and that the hidden history relates to him being a GO/OSA "dirty tricks" operative.

The way he behaved, and especially the way that Flag behaved towards him, is an indicator of "pull" at high levels.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
This is just one story among thousands. If anything could come of these stories on ESMB and elsewhere I would hope that a compilation could bring it all together. It would be extremely refreshing to find out what the right hand of Scientology was doing while the left hand was doing something else, and the head and mouth were busy telling the rest of the body how great things were "over there."

Old Rum Tubbard had a farm, ee-i--ee-i-oh.

And he milked us cows, and slaughtered some hogs, ... ee-i-ee-i-oh.

Seems when CO$ gets involved in spontaneous div 6 programs its the kiss of death.

Met a couple who were auditors for Narconon at one time. Apparently most on the program were criminals who didn't want to get off drugs and took Naronon as an easier ride than jail. I know of lots of money raised for
narconon vanishing uplines and never reaching Narconon. They were kicked off an indian reservation for not paying rent, and IIRC not producing good products. And they charge $ 30,000 a pop and don't hire enough or maybe
sometimes no medical staff.

In case you arrived Later Alan Walter wrote here about going to Folsom prison, surronded by hard lifers, to talk about narconon and being extremely well recieved, I believe Mark Jones did the same.
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Wanda Continues...

In this snippet Wanda goes back in time to when she was still at Flag.

Some people wonder why any of us stuck around as long as we did. Well, there was perceived value in the services, the people we worked with, both staff and fellow students, were honest, caring people, and we were having fun.

I never met Wally Burgess, but Wanda's description is everything that I had heard of him from others. People like Wally kept the "ship" afloat.

Wanda continues:

Wally Burgess came to Nebraska, and stayed at our house. He and a guy from France were doing some PR work at one of the telemarketing--they have a lot of telemarketing in Omaha because when the Strategic Air Command was created there, incredible numbers of telephone lines were installed in and out of the city. That’s why there was so much telemarketing going on in Omaha. So they were promoting the Dianetics book on national TV, and something wasn’t going right between selling the book and delivery… Whatever it was, it was their problem.

Wally called up and asked, “Hey! How would you like to have a couple of bums come stay at your house for a day or two?”  I said, “Oh, I’d love it!” So they were on the ranch with me. The guy from France couldn’t ride a horse. He was lucky that he didn’t kill himself, even though we gave him the gentlest horse we had. Little children would ride her. However, we were worried a couple of times because he was all over that saddle. The horse actually stepped under him once so he didn’t hit the ground, just the saddle.

I’ve always been in good standing even  when I requested and received the unused balance on my account. They had that wonderful endorsement on the back of the check. I just laughed at it. Before I received the check they called me to tell me what was going to happen. I was going to be declared suppressive. I told them if I recalled correctly, there’s some place where Hubbard said there would always be a crack in the door. So they didn’t bother me any more.

I’d call and talk to Wally and Wally would always talk to me, even after that. I am sure Wally is dead now, too.  He always said that they would have to drag him kicking and screaming off the ship with black heel marks in the concrete dock.

Wally had a glider, and we went flying (since I held a license for powered craft).  And [back in the day at Flag] we’d go for a walk almost every morning and evening. I think when Hubbard was still around Wally would cut the walk short. “I have to go in a different direction now. I’ll see you tomorrow,” he would say. 

We ate all our meals together. The first time I walked into the Ft. Harrison they had a little restaurant as you come in the door to the left. I came in I think the 17th or 18th of December. There was 7 people at one table with what appeared to be an empty chair. I walked up, asked if that was an empty spot. This one lady said, “That’s for so and so.” Wally said, “No. It’s for her.” So I sat down. 

When I got into the OT-3 materials I came down for lunch. I said to Wally, “I know all this material.” He asked, “How do you know it?” I said, “Don Hill told it to Jay and me a year and a half before Jay died.” Wally said, “You have to report it to the ethics officer.” I said, “Wally, you know they will pull me off course. Then I’ll have to go through all this riggamaroll. I’m down here to go through the courses. As soon as I get through the course I’ll go tell them. He said, “Okay.” Wally was an ordinary guy. He wanted to work with people. He knew what I wanted to do, and I always kept my word to him. Wally was just a great guy. If I ever had any problem I’d go talk to Wally and it always was resolved.

When I went Clear, the whole base celebrated. It was just a fun place to be. Captain Bill was there. He was a hoot. But, all these wonderful people just suddenly disappeared. On my return, I’d ask, “Where’s Murray? Where’s Chuck?” One guy said, “They went over the rainbow.” What does that mean to me? They died? After that Flag was totally different. These are the rules. This is the way we’re going to do it. No. You can’t discuss it. Just do it. Put your $750 an hour down, and just do it. 

I’d say to myself, “You have got to be crazy doing this, Wanda.” I’d have long talks with myself. “Maybe it’s justified if it makes you a better person.” Good grief, I won’t pay that much for a lawyer, not even if I had murdered someone. [laughter] 

When was it that they wanted you to go out to L.A. to do your OT levels? I think it had to be ’77. [Trying to remember…] It would be August of ’77 or August of ’78. Anyway, they told me I had completed everything available there [at Flag]. I finished my L’s, and I finished my Grades. Now, I had to go to L.A. 

I said, “I won’t go to L.A.” They asked, “Why?” I told them I had been to L.A. Org, and it’s horrible! When I was there I did put the postulate out that no one would bother me. I’d go in, pick up the green books [Management Series and OEC], and leave. And, no one bothered me. I told them, “It’s gloomy. It doesn’t feel good to me, and I’m not going there.” They said, “That’s the only place you can get the OT levels.” I said, “Then I guess I won’t be getting OT levels.” So they created an org [an AO at Flag] for me.

John Danelovich was in charge of it. He had parent time between 1:00 p.m and 2:00 p.m. That hour was fun because I would watch L. Ron Hubbard process people, and do clay demos, and process himself, or audit himself. So that was kind of fun. As to all my exercises and checkouts, I did those with staff at night. That had to be ’77 or ’78 whenever they started the org. I was the only public person in that org, and I was in there by myself most all the time except when John was there working with me or at night when the staff would come in. It was then that I would drill with the staff. So, that was interesting.

I  received real personal attention. That’s for sure. And, I liked it! It’s one thing to be a processor and crash other people, but you don’t want to crash yourself, and repair yourself because I don’t know if I could do that.

I was doing drills once. It was the funniest thing--that’s why I was just now laughing. I was doing Date and Locate. I think I was good enough at the time to do a Date/Locate in the middle of 5 o’clock traffic in the downtown of St. Petersburg. 

There was this guy named Bill who had gone to St. Hill, and they lost all of his records between L.A. and St. Hill. They had been processing him [at Flag] just to put his case back together again. I don’t know what he was doing in the area that I was in at Flag, but I roped him into doing a Date/Locate drill. He had a solid, stuck needle.  I tried everything the book told you to do to get rid of his stuck needle. Finally I reached over, and I touched the guy on his arm.  I said, “Bill, if you just stick with me long enough, I’m going to get it. Please stick with me.” He laughed.  Of course, he blew down, and everything was fine.

Well, I got flunked on it. Chuck was the course supervisor then and for a long time. Rumor had it that LRH trained him personally for that job.  After that happened and Bill left, Chuck came over, had the girl [study twin], and  me sit with him--this is when Scientology was good, in my opinion because, I was right! [laughing]  Chuck said, “I am taking that flunk back from Wanda.” He said to my twin, “If you think if L. Ron was sitting here, and he did every exercise you are supposed to do to someone for a stuck needle, and he thought that if he touched him [put in a solid comm line], and reassured him that it would work, do you think he would do that? She said, “Yeah, I guess so.” John said, “She just used her head to get the process to work on the guy.”  

To me, that’s what Scientology was all about when I was there. Two years later it wasn’t that way.​
 
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