The Personality Test

Rene Descartes

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Whereas there may be some use in determining change in a person over time I would not place a bet of high stakes on the validity that the OCA has been given by those who use it.

Having been a person who was able to get deep into the nooks and crannies of the OCA due to working on a project to utilize a PC for entering and compiling the answers into raw scores and percentile scores I have to say the following.

The test is weighted for the most part to end up with percentiles in a very low range. Not all of the translations of raw to percentile are equally awful but there are some that indeed have a very heavy weight and that is one reason why I for one have seen many graphs of new tags having graphs that would make any LRH ridden person convinced that there is little hope for the person sitting in front of the Div 6 reg.

And then if one is quite bottomed out and somehow improves a few of the answers there might be a somewhat nice increase in the raw score however the percentile score at that bottomed out area does not change by much. That person must need more courses and auditing, has to be obvious to the uninformed.

Then it will get to a point where the graph is at a level where the change in raw score produces a more noticable change in the percentile score, hey we are making some progress, more courses and auditing please, this carrot on a stick is starting to look like filet mignon on a fish hook.

Eventually on the graph there is a range where a decent change in the raw score does produce a very nice change in the percentile score, see look what the tech did for you, I must tell the world, I am going to be the best FSM in the galaxy.

If anyone ever noticed the "certainity" column being higher than the others then assume that the weighted curve is different for that column, look you need help and even you know it, wow I do need help give me courses and auditing. If I remember to I will glance through my saved notes and folder.

So yes if one is totally at the top of the chart he likely is at the top of the chart. If one is truly at the bottom the chart might show that. If one is anywhere in the middle, there is a lot to be said about the relation between raw and percentile scores.

The test is rigged although I like the words of Jommy Cross on alt.religion.scientology when I explained the above to him in an abbreviated way. His remark about Hubbard and the OCA was something along the lines of "So he frigged it".

Yeah he friggin frigged it.

Although the OCA is a tricky tool for the Church to shanghai someone onto their bridge, I do not recommend that Anonymous get involved with trying to teach the world about the "atrocities" of the OCA, even based on the little bit of info I presented above.

I can diss the mathematical correlations just fine, but I think it would warrant a highly honed behavior specialist to diss the absurdities of the correlations I presented by using non-mathematical logic and justified absurdities about the relation between raw score and percentile score by using their knowledge of Behaviorial Science based on hardcore evidence.

Rd00
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Well, I'm sure they'd LIKE to have the graphs come out consistently low for newbies, but I've seen quite a few high graphs in my time...

But then again, I do believe in the out of valence thing and do think that most people are at least a little insane. I do not elieve you can be in a body and NOT be a little insane.

I actually think Hubbard was right about a lot of that stuff.
 

Rene Descartes

Gold Meritorious Patron
Well, I'll tell you. Some of the things I've been told after taking OCA tests were spot on. Because they don't just show you the graph. They tell you some things that the tests indicate. Both John and I had some things come up that were so spot on, it was almost spooky.

And we have had times when we were retested after getting some auditing, and the results were different.

Some accuracies will come up and even on retests after auditing. I bet even on a retest after awesome sex.

When I took the test as a teenager there were some things that were right but there were things that were so wrong that I introverted at wondering if they were right, well would you expect of a teenager who was at the crossroads of life and determined to make a comeback and turn things around in his existence. I was on a roll in life after deciding to turn things around and really flying high and was excited about life and all the things I was beginning to accomplish and there were parts of the OCA that were telling me that I was in bad shape.

If I had taken that OCA 18 months earlier and those "oddball" results came up I would have believed them.

I think at that time of my life I could have attested to something like Cleared Theta Teen or Operating Teenage Thetan, that's how awesome life was.

Alas I walked away from the org and just bought a Dianetics book and became somewhat frascinated with it. After all I was a teenager thirsty for knowledge about life and wanted to enjoy life even more.

Rd00
 

Rene Descartes

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm not going to say the test is useless. One can surely learn something about oneself.

But it is the weight used in the relationship between raw score and percentile that is scary.

It is like something that could be fun and useful for someone has been taken and twisted into a tool to trap people.

Rd00
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
I'm not going to say the test is useless. One can surely learn something about oneself.

But it is the weight used in the relationship between raw score and percentile that is scary.

It is like something that could be fun and useful for someone has been taken and twisted into a tool to trap people.

Rd00


Ah! I see what you mean. Thanks for explaining. :)
 

nexus100

Gold Meritorious Patron
Well, I'm sure they'd LIKE to have the graphs come out consistently low for newbies, but I've seen quite a few high graphs in my time...

But then again, I do believe in the out of valence thing and do think that most people are at least a little insane. I do not elieve you can be in a body and NOT be a little insane.

I actually think Hubbard was right about a lot of that stuff.

Which is a reason to dump everything you ever knew or read by Hubbard and start over.

A million monkeys or even myself typing long enough will render some truth. Do you want to wade through the paperwork to dig it out?
And what is true? If it really stands that what is true for you is what counts then why go to a guy who is convinced he knows universals and one MUST toe the line or be wrong?

I suspect people who ride the LRH train are looking for truth outside themselves. I believe the only truth that counts is within you. It is a very simple solution but takes some doing to line up because there is a good deal of letting go to do. This place may have rules. I suspect we make the rules up as we go along, but that is opinion. There may be magical abilities. But toys get tiresome. If you know you the rest is just gravy.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Which is a reason to dump everything you ever knew or read by Hubbard and start over.

A million monkeys or even myself typing long enough will render some truth. Do you want to wade through the paperwork to dig it out?
And what is true? If it really stands that what is true for you is what counts then why go to a guy who is convinced he knows universals and one MUST toe the line or be wrong?

I suspect people who ride the LRH train are looking for truth outside themselves. I believe the only truth that counts is within you. It is a very simple solution but takes some doing to line up because there is a good deal of letting go to do. This place may have rules. I suspect we make the rules up as we go along, but that is opinion. There may be magical abilities. But toys get tiresome. If you know you the rest is just gravy.

Well, I question everything I've read or heard. With the result that I'm quite the heretic. I retain anything that seems to work out ok. I do that with other things besides Scn.

I'm not on an LRH train though I'm sure that some folks truly are.

I think all truth is within the person but sometimes it's hard to see. That's why one should listen to gurus. It's also why one should be REALLY REALLY skeptical of gurus. They can be wrong. They can be liars. They can be partly right. Etc.

In the end, all we have are ourselves, as far as convictions and beliefs go.

Let me tell you a story- I think you'll like it. John and I were in a restaurant and there was a guy there- it was an informal casino bar type thing so people came up to each other sometimes. So this guy was there, all radiant with joy. Just electrified. The way people are when they're super excited before it settles out. Totally enthused. So anyway he told us that some aliens came to him in the night. This was spiritual, he didn't GO anywhere or see any people. But they came to him and imparted knowledge, he felt. So we were like, hey, if you feel you experienced it, then you experienced it. Was true for HIM anyway.

We don't know if he really experienced this but we felt he was sincere and thought it happened.

Then he said that there was coming some new day where these aliens would be inputting enightenment into people, so to speak, taking them up spiritually to a higher plane. Enlightening them. Raising them up to a much higher level. Like soon.Not giving information or teaching- but actually making people be enlightened.

So we listened politely to this- guy was so carried away and excited that there wouldn't be much we could do to gainsay him, so we didn't try.

He was really nice but I do not believe everything he said. He has written some books, evidently, though.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Kosol Ouch&page=1

But what we found wrong with this is one cannot enlighten other people. The person himself does that. MAYBE- and that's a really big IF- one may have info that would be helpful to others and that could help them to become empowered, enlightened, whatever- maybe- but a person cannot just take another person and raise them up another level just lickety split, like that. Bam! You're enlightened.

No way do I believe that.

But do I think a person CAN become enlightened? Sure. But they are the ones who make the journey. Ron doesn't do it for the person. The person has to do it.
 

DartSmohen

Silver Meritorious Patron
I suspect people who ride the LRH train are looking for truth outside themselves. I believe the only truth that counts is within you. It is a very simple solution but takes some doing to line up because there is a good deal of letting go to do. This place may have rules. I suspect we make the rules up as we go along, but that is opinion. There may be magical abilities. But toys get tiresome. If you know you the rest is just gravy.[/QUOTE]

The only trouble with that train is that you know with absolute certainty that it is going to hit the buffers. :yes:
 

Pixie

Crusader
The only trouble with that train is that you know with absolute certainty that it is going to hit the buffers. :yes:[/QUOTE]

:hysterical: :hysterical:
 

Pixie

Crusader
Well then, I guess it is up to us to update them. :)

There is a copy (with some typos) online at http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/

Here is a staff-oriented suggestion for the first quarter....

  1. Do you make thoughtless remarks or accusations which find you in Ethics?
  2. When others are getting rattled by seniors, do you remain merely shaken or stirred?
  3. Do you browse through tape transcripts just for pleasure?
  4. When asked to make a decision, would you be swayed by your fear of Ethics whatever the rights of the matter?
  5. Do you intend none or less children in your family even though your health and income will permit more?
  6. Do you get occasional twitches of your fist, when there is no logical reason for it?
  7. Would you prefer to be in a position where you did not have the repercussions from making lethal decisions?
  8. Are your actions considered completely insane by normal people?
  9. Do you consider some money should be spent on staff pay?
  10. Do non-staff freedoms interest you very much?
  11. Is your messenger oppressively monotonous, rather than varied in bitch?
  12. Do you normally let the other person start the new asshole-tearing?
  13. Are you readily interested in other people's O/W write-ups?
  14. Would the idea of inflicting pain on game, small animals or fish prevent you from being an Ethics Officer?
  15. Are you often impulsive in your evil thoughts?
  16. Do you speak slowly, especially when rabid KR-writers are around?
  17. Are you usually concerned about the need to protect your sanity?
  18. Does an unexpected new program cause your juniors to twitch?
  19. Are you normally unbelievably harsh in your demands on your juniors, fellow staff or students?
  20. Do you consider that you could give a valid 'snap agreement with LRH' ?
  21. Do your past O/Ws that Ethics doesn't know about still worry you?
  22. Do you find yourself being extra-downstat for periods lasting several days without sleep?
  23. Do you resent the efforts of dumbfuck seniors who couldn't do your post in a million years to tell you what to do?
  24. Is it normally hard for you to 'own up and take the blame' yet again when it is management's fault but being made yours?
  25. Do you have a small circle of close maybe-friends, rather than a large number of KR-writing, speaking acquaintances?
  26. Is your life a constant struggle for survival?
  27. Do you often consider killing someone who dares to sing or whistle just for the hell of it?
  28. Are you considered warm-hearted by your friendly registrar?
  29. Would you rather give KRs than receive them?
  30. Do you enjoy telling people the latest scandal from some pc folder?
  31. Could you agree to strict discipline, or are you dilettante public?
  32. Would the idea of blowing staff cause you much concern?
  33. Do you write KRs to get others to be more like you?
  34. Do you find it easy to lie in session?
  35. Do you refrain from complaining when your senior gives you another urgent order to get done before you go home tonight?
  36. Are you sometimes considered by others someone who follows policy?
  37. Do you consider there are people outside management who are definitely unfriendly toward you and work against you?
  38. Would you admit you were wrong just to stay on post?
  39. Do you have only a few people of whom you are really fond?
  40. Are you rarely happy, unless you actually got some sleep last night?
  41. Do you "circulate around" in the few minutes before roll call?
  42. Do you take reasonable precaution to prevent post downstats?
  43. Does the idea of talking in front of your Comm Ev make you nervous?
  44. [Sea Org only] If you saw an article in a shop, would you try to wake up or finish out the dream?
  45. Do you often feel that people are looking at your pc folder or talking about you behind your back?
  46. Are you 'always getting into trouble' even when you're following policy?
  47. Have you any particular hated or feared senior?
  48. Do you prefer to be an onlooker rather than participate in any active face-ripping?
  49. Do you find it easy to be impartial at 3 a.m. when you didn't sleep last night either?
  50. Would you have a definitely set standard of courteous behavior in front of other members of your family if you ever saw them?

Paul

:laugh: See Dull Old Fart? I told you that you have too much time on yer pesky little paws!! :laugh:
 
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