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The Phoenix Lectures

Discussion in 'Scientology Technology' started by Clay Pigeon, Oct 26, 2017.

  1. Demented Hubbatd

    Demented Hubbatd Patron with Honors

    I thought another Hubbard book, A History of Man, is the handbook of OT -- I was told that OT8 auditing is based on it. I read some excerpts form PL, it looks like Hubbard was ranting and raving nonstop. A History of Man is a much better presentation of the OT shit.
  2. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Hubbard gave his son Nibs some amphetamines and got him to start talking. A History Of Man is what Nibs came up with. This is all well documented.
  3. screamer2

    screamer2 Idiot Bastardson

    I would be interested to see where the 'clear cognition' is in the book.

    I cut whisky flask sized holes in most of my larger clam books before I had no further use for them and tossed them into the bin. So I don't have a copy any longer. But maybe someone who does can check.
  4. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks to all of you!
  5. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    You can get a PDF of the book here:
  6. screamer2

    screamer2 Idiot Bastardson

    This may be it.

    The phoenix lectures book.


    The fourth paragraph.

    'They get used to being on the Effect side, and when they get over on the Cause side
    they say, “Where’s all the help?” So they invent an analyzer and a computer and a Reactive
    Bank and all kinds of things in order to be over here at Cause point, because the Cause point
    has to mock itself up just like the Effect point or subordinate Effect points which are not really
    capable of any great change, which are not capable of mocking themselves up, and will never
    be communicated to, unless Cause mocks itself up.'
  7. Demented Hubbatd

    Demented Hubbatd Patron with Honors

    Yes, I read about Nib's role in the production of this book. Well, even if he was high during the OT trips, he came up with a reasonably good sci-fi data.
  8. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    It's funny reading things like that nowadays ... I can't believe we used to read such drivel and (try to) take it seriously.

    Tubs hubbard wasn't really all that bright but I suppose what he lacked in intellect he more than made up for in stupidity.

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  9. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Tubs was very bright, but all his skill was concentrated in one narrow area: how to charm and con people. Outside that area of expertise, he was an idiot.
  10. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Yeah I know ... I was joking (sorta).

  11. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    His skill also was evident in his psychotherapy. If you
    look at the red vols you'll see new issues every day or
    every few days, an effort extended for nearly 30 years.
    And away from his policies and the problems created by
    his organization some of this worked.
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  12. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    His psychotherapy? Tell me one aspect of his so-called psychotherapy that he originated and that wasn't purloined from another practitioner.
  13. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yeah... What is your definition of "worked"? Seriously. How do you establish that "some of this worked"?
  14. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Suck it and see . To answer Strati's points I believe the
    concept of the ser fac was first stated by Hubbard. Also
    I don't see a problem with stealing ideas from others. To
    then make such a fuss over being "source" was not so elegant.

    This is how knowledge develops.

    "A good composer does not imitate, he steals.” – Igor Stravinsky
    You can find this quote attributed to him.

    “Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different”. T.S Eliot

    I established this worked by recieving grade 4. I went up
    the pole on this. I felt fantastic. A day or two later I found
    I briefly I could control flows of static electicity around
    my body.
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  15. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    So Grade 4's promised end phenomena is temporarily "went up the pole" and "control static electricity"?

    I'll have to assume that, like the rest of us, you came back down the pole and you no longer control static electricity. That's really not very useful.

    You don't seem to understand what I'm asking. So you felt fantastic. Fine. I've felt fantastic at many times in my life. That does not mean that Scientology "worked".

    "Works" means: It is designed to do X, it does X.

    Scientology is "designed" to create homo novis, Clear, OT. It doesn't do that. By definition, it doesn't "work". At absolute best some of it makes some people feel good for a very short while.

    Now, it's perfectly fine if you, or someone, says "This process made me feel really good for a short while". Who would argue about that? But you don't. You say "it worked". And then you don't explain 1) What was promised for the process/grade/level and 2) What actually happened.

    If you flip a light switch and sometimes the toilet flushes, you could get real excited about flushing the toilet but, in reality, the light switch isn't working and isn't usable.

    As your answer plainly showed, for you, Grade 4 did not do what was promised -- it did not "work".

    EDIT: This is a good example of the Hubbard shell game. Specific things are promised but anything is accepted as a result. Because of that, "It works" is total bullshit.
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  16. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Take a look at The Axioms.

    Brilliant and original.
  17. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    Crunchy chewy stuff and easily mockable like so much of Hubbard's work

    The good stuff is still good
  18. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I'm sure I have seen a post by Veda showing that the so-called axioms are neither brilliant nor original.
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  19. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Can you get a link?

    I'd love to see that.

    There's undeniable originality in The Axioms. How about Hubbard's coining of the word "Randomity"? Great concept whose pertinence is easily observable. Walk out on street and you can see people walking around living low randomity lives shuffling about with downcast eyes. Look at Houston or Santa Rosa and see hordes of people scattered around having suffered a recent bout of high randomity.
  20. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    Why is a banned shitposting poster still here?
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