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The Phoenix Lectures

Discussion in 'Scientology Technology' started by Clay Pigeon, Oct 26, 2017.

  1. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation


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  2. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    Consider this, If your post were to cause just one person to fall into scientology. To spend all their time, all their effort, all their money on scientology. To fall into the belief that giving all of those things is worth that and more because they are helping to save mankind, (just the mindset that a person is, saving mankind, itself is beyond arrogant) and they spend decades of their life following that belief. Is there any way to justify that? I don't mean justify it to yourself, I mean justify it to that person. I mean justify to all the people in that person's life. Believing it yourself doesn't make it truly what you present it to be because it is filtered through a scientology lens.
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  3. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    jee-yay-ziss Hoaxy...

    October fourth 1970, The Night Janis Died...

    Bill Graham was reopening Winterland and the first bill was Hot Tuna, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Quicksilver, Jefferson Airplane and the dreadful grate of The Grateful Dead for a $3.50 ticket

    The bands had the word backstage but the audience didn't know; classic show biz gimmick setup...

    Gracie and Janis went way back before anyone was famous or rich. they'd have parties at Jerry's place at 710 Ashbury with wee hour Kansas City cut session catfights to see who could belt it out the hardest...

    Gracie come out seven months pregnant with Kantner's daughter, China, miniskirt, kneehigh boots, macrame shawl around her shoulders and FIRE!!! flaming out her eyes, Cassidy laying in a bass line so solid you could walk on it and she did a rendition of "Somebody To Love"...

    O my...

    My, my, my...

    I've never been to many concerts but I did catch one of the great ones.
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  4. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I spent 7+ years protesting at Orgs with Anons. I
    abhor COS and especially its leader, and have been criticizing
    them before this forum came into existence. I approve of the
    psyvhotherapy available in the FZ /Independent arena.

    A parallel might be adhering to Christian virtues
    and deploring the inquisition.
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  5. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    Interesting question, what the current Scientology era is properly called. . .

    Let's see, thus far we have--




    FALL of LFBD

    I Googled "Scientology Eras" and it took me to a link on Shakespearean Tragedy. Ergo. . .


  6. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    My knowingness tells me that you have not fully duplicated that photo, on this planet.

    Under greater magnification I discovered that those are actually dimension points that the being operating the operating cat's body mocked up.

    It's all in The Factors, you can read it for yourself.

    In all fairness, this debate is over---Terril kicked everyone's MEST ass!!!

  7. screamer2

    screamer2 Idiot Bastardson

    Whatever it was, apparently it was as-isn't-ed by some kind of postulate-ness.
  8. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!


    as I am neither from or on this planet

    Can you repeat it please
  9. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    From that, I have concluded that there are only two (2) other possible choices:

    1) You're from another planet. This is not possible because Ron stated he is from another planet. He never mentioned you specifically (in writing, per standard policy).​

    The only remaining possibility is that:

    2) You are this planet.

    So, yeah, cool! Awesome! I mean, did you like attest to this and get a jumbo sized MEST cert on this state of being?

    As soon as you confirm this (by showing ESMB members something in writing) we'd all like to flow power to you!

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  10. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Actually, dear Hoaxy, I am very glad to read that you could fully duplicate my newly acquired state of beingness.
    Although, I feel so lonely...

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  11. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    Could you walk through the events that caused you to realize that you had the ability to control flows of static electricity around your body? How you controlled it. How you knew it was being controlled. What you actually saw as you were controlling it.
  12. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Here is a new Ask the Scientologist post inspired by Terril's wonderful stories about how workable Scientology is. First post in over 2 years.
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  13. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Cool! Hey, I missed reading new posts on your blog the past couple years!

    Hey, for anyone who knows where those "must read" lists are for Scientologists "on the fence" and other newly "blown", "disaffected" and/or those about to become full-fledged "SP", your ASK THE SCIENTOLOGIST is one of the greatest repositories of insight, wit and humor on the subject of Scientology anywhere on the internet.

    If there ever was such a thing as "Black DIanetics", that blog is it---guaranteed to turn a grinning OT into an evil SP attacking "mankind's only hope". LOL.

    Meaning, if you run across any of those lists of recommended reading, please add ASK THE SCIENTOLOGIST to it! Check out this LINK for several highly recommended blog essays for a blowy Scientologist to read.

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  14. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    After grade 4 I felt fantastic. More so than at any
    time since. In Scn this was described as going up the pole,
    and was a temporary state which lasted about 2 days. I found
    by chance I could feel electric type sensations going up my
    arms. I also found I could move these sensations around, by
    intending them to. They seemed electrical in nature and I
    thought I'd try to get them to attract small pieces of paper
    in one hand by bringing It near the other as it seemed to me
    to be caused by static electricity. I was able to do this.
  15. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    You're either completely deluded or just very easily pleased and complacent Terril ... neither are things that a sane person (who is apparently looking for spiritual enlightenment) would willingly pay money for.

    I'd be getting someone else to do the PR and sales for the freezone if I were you.

  16. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Put a sock in it! Someone asked me a question and I
    politely answered.

    Note that I don't get involved with sales of anything.
  17. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    You can answer as politely as you like Terril, but your freezone "mission statement" is still placed strategically at the bottom of every post you make and it's your name and contact details that people are urged to use.

    Emphasis mine ...

  18. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron


    I respect you for continuing to show up here even though you regularly get challenged on your beliefs. Most Scientology-believers don't persist. That is actually admirable.

    However, I'm not sure you understand why I, for one, will continue to jump on any statement you make about the "workability" of Hubbard's "tech".

    It isn't just that I'm out and therefore just hate Scientology because of what I've been through.

    I've been trained. I've been Sea Org. I understand the "tech". The "tech" isn't just useless, as I've stated. It is evil. I know you don't agree. You only see benefits.

    I see a cleverly designed trap: Huge, amazing promises of higher states of being -- a temporary feeling of euphoria -- no actual, permanent, significant improvement -- but "the next step, or the one after that, will surely give me the promised 'higher state'."

    Once on that treadmill, the believer is trapped. "I didn't get to homo novis yet, but I will, I will!" The believer is trapped and cannot step back and say "I haven't gotten what was promised -- it doesn't work". No, the believer thinks the "next step" will do it. Because he or she believes so strongly, they must blind themselves to reality. The longer it goes on, the farther from reality a person gets.

    Sure, the prices might be much lower in the independent field, but the trap is the same. That's what's wrong. That is why I continue to challenge anyone who only talks about the alleged "benefits" of Hubbard's "tech".
  19. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    This is one of the best-written rationales for why techies are attacked here on ESMB that I have seen. This is far better than the rabid and visceral "because Hubbard was a fat con artist" type responses that are usually given. Of course, the implication of what you say is that Hubbard WAS a con artist, but that's besides the point.

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  20. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Mostly I'm here because I'm a Scientology watcher.
    Pretty much everything gets reported here.

    I don't see the tech as intrinsically evil. Its not perfect
    and has gone off the rails in some places. As time has
    progressed its been used with less than benign purposes,
    mostly connected to being driven by monetary standards.
    What I've written about in this post is something that happened more than 40 years ago when I did grade 4. This was
    delivered as free student auditing as were all the grades.
    Delivered with only the intention of enhancing me. This is
    the intention common in the freezone and I know many who
    have befitted. I pretty much reject the Admin, and I studied all of it, and consider command intention in Scn is evil.
    I've spent 7 years regularly protesting with Anon and for
    17 years or so written many posts castigating CO$. I am
    unusual in that I didn't have bad experiences while associating with CO$. When I had one I left for good. Some years later
    I found the internet and was shocked by the stories I read.
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