The Pilot, Excerpts from his Writings

[Free Being Me]

Re: Pilot's repost Z84 -- Home Universe Processing

It's not a case of being uncomfortable. it's a case of being irritated; because when you comment on Pilot's works, as you did above with your comment about Ant (someone with over 60 years' experience in the Tech) being fooled, you're claiming an authority over people like Ant and me, like we're all poor deluded fools who should be grateful to be put in their place by such exemplars of spiritual insight and common sense as yourselves (since you refer to "others").

Don't you see how arrogant that sounds?

Sorry, but I simply don't believe you or the others who do this are the ultra-wise and all-knowing savants you claim to be.

If I did, I'd be asking you for the answers, since I freely admit I haven't found the way out of the trap yet. Nor had Pilot - but he admitted that he hadn't, and called upon everyone interested in doing so to help him find it. One more reason why it's wrong IMO to equate him with Ron and the CofS (as is being done constantly throughout this thread).

You're assumptive thinking is intriguing as I've offered no incivilities or claims yet you persist in shifting this conversation towards a rats nest replete with fallacies about personalities with statements I've never said instead of what I have brought up, cult recovery and cultist indoctrination with psychological manipulation - I.E.: the "tek."

Elcon was a narcissistic sociopath cult leader with a sharp propensity for understanding and implementing his unconscionable methods of mind control upon his followers. His so called tek is the cheese baited trap he cunningly placed with deft cognitive dissonances in place to ensure a maze like dissociation with addictive patterns of dependency, traumatically bonding the unsuspecting into a circular dis-empowerment. Sociopaths such as Elcon are very clever with abuse and that's what makes his $cientology so insidious insofar as cult recovery is concerned.

Sociopath (Antisocial personality disorder)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829/DSECTION=symptoms
Definition
Antisocial personality disorder is a type of chronic mental condition in which a person's ways of thinking, perceiving situations and relating to others are dysfunctional — and destructive. People with antisocial personality disorder typically have no regard for right and wrong and often disregard the rights, wishes and feelings of others.

Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference. They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble, yet they show no guilt or remorse. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. These characteristics typically make people with antisocial personality disorder unable to fulfill responsibilities related to family, work or school.

Symptoms

• Disregard for right and wrong
• Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others
• Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or for sheer personal pleasure
• Intense egocentrism, sense of superiority and exhibitionism
• Recurring difficulties with the law
• Repeatedly violating the rights of others by the use of intimidation, dishonesty and misrepresentation
• Child abuse or neglect
• Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, impulsiveness, aggression or violence
• Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
• Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behaviors
• Poor or abusive relationships
• Irresponsible work behavior
• Failure to learn from the negative consequences of behavior

Traumatic Bonding
http://victimsofpsychopaths.wordpress.com/traumatic-bonding/
Traumatic bonding is “strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.” (Dutton & Painter, 1981). Several conditions have been identified that must be present for a traumatic bond to occur.

–(1). There must be an imbalance of power, with one person more in control of key aspects of the relationship, such as setting themselves up as the “authority” through such things as controlling the finances, or making most of the relationship decisions, or using threats and intimidations, so the relationship has become lopsided.

–(2). The abusive behavior is sporadic in nature. It is characterized by intermittent reinforcement, which means there is the alternating of highly intense positives (such as intense kindness or affection) and the negatives of the abusive behavior.

–(3). The victim engages in denial of the abuse for emotional self- protection. In severe abuse (this can be psychological or physical), one form of psychological protection strategy is dissociation, where the victim experiences the abuse as if it is not happening to them, but as if they are outside their body watching the scene unfold (like watching a movie). Dissociative states allow the victim to compartmentalize the abusive aspects of the relationship in order to focus on the positive aspects.

The use of denial and distancing oneself from the abuse are forms of what is called cognitive dissonance. In abusive relationships this means that what is happening to the victim is so horrible, so far removed from their thoughts and expectations of the world, that it is “dissonant” or “out of tune” or “at odds” with their pre-existing expectations and reality.

Since the victim feels powerless to change the situation, they rely on emotional strategies to try to make it less dissonant, to try to somehow make it fit. To cope with the contradicting behaviors of the abuser, and to survive the abuse, the person literally has to change how they perceive reality.

Studies also show a person is more loyal and committed to a person or situation that is difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating, and the more the victim has invested in the relationship, the more they need to justify their position. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful “self-preservation” mechanism which can completely distort and override the truth, with the victim developing a tolerance for the abuse and “normalizing” the abusers behavior, despite evidence to the contrary.

–(4). The victim masks that the abuse is happening, may not have admitted it to anyone, not even themselves.

Trauma bonding makes it easier for a victim to survive within the relationship, but it severely undermines the victims self-structures, undermining their ability to accurately evaluate danger, and impairs their ability to perceive of alternatives to the situation.

Once a trauma bond is established it becomes extremely difficult for the victim to break free of the relationship. The way humans respond to trauma is thought to have a biological basis and reactions to trauma was first described a century ago, with the term “railroad spine” being used. Another term used has been “shell shocked”.

Victims overwhelmed with terror suffer from an overload of their system, and to be able to function they must distort reality. They often shut down emotionally, and sometimes later describe themselves as having felt “robotic”, intellectually knowing what happened, but feeling frozen or numb and unable to take action. A victim must feel safe and out of “survival mode” before they will be able to make cognitive changes.

Many victims feel the compulsion to tell and retell the events of the trauma in an attempt to come to terms with what happened to them and to try to integrate it, reaching out to others for contact, safety, and stability. Other victims react in an opposite manner, withdrawing into a shell of self-imposed isolation. The trauma bond can persist even after the victim leaves the relationship, with it sometimes taking months, or even years, for them to completely break the bond.

Emotional Attachments in Abusive Relationships: A Test of Traumatic Bonding Theory - PDF (Dutton and Painter)
http://lab.drdondutton.com/wp-conte...SHIPS-A-TEST-OF-TRAUMATIC-BONDING-THEORY..pdf

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Re: Pilot's repost Z84 -- Home Universe Processing

You're assumptive thinking is intriguing as I've offered no incivilities or claims yet you persist in shifting this conversation towards a rats nest replete with fallacies about personalities with statements I've never said instead of what I have brought up, cult recovery and cultist indoctrination with psychological manipulation - I.E.: the "tek."

Elcon was a narcissistic sociopath cult leader with a sharp propensity for understanding and implementing his unconscionable methods of mind control upon his followers. His so called tek is the cheese baited trap he cunningly placed with deft cognitive dissonances in place to ensure a maze like dissociation with addictive patterns of dependency, traumatically bonding the unsuspecting into a circular dis-empowerment. Sociopaths such as Elcon are very clever with abuse and that's what makes his $cientology so insidious insofar as cult recovery is concerned.

Sociopath (Antisocial personality disorder)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829/DSECTION=symptoms
Definition
Antisocial personality disorder is a type of chronic mental condition in which a person's ways of thinking, perceiving situations and relating to others are dysfunctional — and destructive. People with antisocial personality disorder typically have no regard for right and wrong and often disregard the rights, wishes and feelings of others.

Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference. They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble, yet they show no guilt or remorse. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. These characteristics typically make people with antisocial personality disorder unable to fulfill responsibilities related to family, work or school.

Symptoms

• Disregard for right and wrong
• Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others
• Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or for sheer personal pleasure
• Intense egocentrism, sense of superiority and exhibitionism
• Recurring difficulties with the law
• Repeatedly violating the rights of others by the use of intimidation, dishonesty and misrepresentation
• Child abuse or neglect
• Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, impulsiveness, aggression or violence
• Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
• Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behaviors
• Poor or abusive relationships
• Irresponsible work behavior
• Failure to learn from the negative consequences of behavior

Traumatic Bonding
http://victimsofpsychopaths.wordpress.com/traumatic-bonding/
Traumatic bonding is “strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.” (Dutton & Painter, 1981). Several conditions have been identified that must be present for a traumatic bond to occur.

–(1). There must be an imbalance of power, with one person more in control of key aspects of the relationship, such as setting themselves up as the “authority” through such things as controlling the finances, or making most of the relationship decisions, or using threats and intimidations, so the relationship has become lopsided.

–(2). The abusive behavior is sporadic in nature. It is characterized by intermittent reinforcement, which means there is the alternating of highly intense positives (such as intense kindness or affection) and the negatives of the abusive behavior.

–(3). The victim engages in denial of the abuse for emotional self- protection. In severe abuse (this can be psychological or physical), one form of psychological protection strategy is dissociation, where the victim experiences the abuse as if it is not happening to them, but as if they are outside their body watching the scene unfold (like watching a movie). Dissociative states allow the victim to compartmentalize the abusive aspects of the relationship in order to focus on the positive aspects.

The use of denial and distancing oneself from the abuse are forms of what is called cognitive dissonance. In abusive relationships this means that what is happening to the victim is so horrible, so far removed from their thoughts and expectations of the world, that it is “dissonant” or “out of tune” or “at odds” with their pre-existing expectations and reality.

Since the victim feels powerless to change the situation, they rely on emotional strategies to try to make it less dissonant, to try to somehow make it fit. To cope with the contradicting behaviors of the abuser, and to survive the abuse, the person literally has to change how they perceive reality.

Studies also show a person is more loyal and committed to a person or situation that is difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating, and the more the victim has invested in the relationship, the more they need to justify their position. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful “self-preservation” mechanism which can completely distort and override the truth, with the victim developing a tolerance for the abuse and “normalizing” the abusers behavior, despite evidence to the contrary.

–(4). The victim masks that the abuse is happening, may not have admitted it to anyone, not even themselves.

Trauma bonding makes it easier for a victim to survive within the relationship, but it severely undermines the victims self-structures, undermining their ability to accurately evaluate danger, and impairs their ability to perceive of alternatives to the situation.

Once a trauma bond is established it becomes extremely difficult for the victim to break free of the relationship. The way humans respond to trauma is thought to have a biological basis and reactions to trauma was first described a century ago, with the term “railroad spine” being used. Another term used has been “shell shocked”.

Victims overwhelmed with terror suffer from an overload of their system, and to be able to function they must distort reality. They often shut down emotionally, and sometimes later describe themselves as having felt “robotic”, intellectually knowing what happened, but feeling frozen or numb and unable to take action. A victim must feel safe and out of “survival mode” before they will be able to make cognitive changes.

Many victims feel the compulsion to tell and retell the events of the trauma in an attempt to come to terms with what happened to them and to try to integrate it, reaching out to others for contact, safety, and stability. Other victims react in an opposite manner, withdrawing into a shell of self-imposed isolation. The trauma bond can persist even after the victim leaves the relationship, with it sometimes taking months, or even years, for them to completely break the bond.

Emotional Attachments in Abusive Relationships: A Test of Traumatic Bonding Theory - PDF (Dutton and Painter)
http://lab.drdondutton.com/wp-conte...SHIPS-A-TEST-OF-TRAUMATIC-BONDING-THEORY..pdf

OK, so you're someone who thinks that any thread about Ken Ogger (the Pilot) is really a thread about LRH, since Ken was effectively completely under LRH's spell and had essentially no worthwhile thoughts or cognitions of his own to speak of?

Am I correct in that assumption?

 

[F.Bullbait]

If an evangelical Christian were here, they would say that they knew exactly where others were going off the rails. Jesus wasn't accepted as one's personal savior. Bibles, tracts, etc, would be handled out. Hellfire might be mentioned.

An atheist would say that they knew exactly where others were going off the rails. That people were chasing after spiritual effects and phenomena that didn't exist. A large man in a suit and ponytail would trumpet "bullshit", perhaps, if one were really fortunate.

A Muslim would remind us that there is no god but God and Muhammed is his prophet.

A CofS member would grumble about squirrels and bitter apostates.

What would they all have in common? That they all had their own perspectives of the errata and folly of those on this thread who are interested in this methodology. And that they knew exactly where people were going wrong. Yet every single one of them would have come up with an entirely different reason of where people were messing up and what they needed.

(she said, glancing around meaningfully)

They would have one other thing in common. In their assertions and certainty, they'd have forgotten that the other people to whom they were talking were adults.

I have to admit I had thoughts running along similar lines.

When I lived downtown, I was frequently accosted by individuals who were jesus freaks, hari krisha, scientologists, commies, etc. with a "repent ye sinner" attitude and a heavily annoted holy book and/ or a bag full of literature.

The best was to 'ack their comm' and smile blandly. Quick to perceive that they weren't getting the reaction they desired, they would off to the next victim. I was then free to throw the literature into the nearest receptacle and go about my business.

 

[Leon]

Well this yip yap has been going on for the last few days and I'm going to chip in now and say what I think of it all.

We had a good thread here - Ant posting articles by Pilot and we discussing it as we chose.

The along comes Free Being ME and he's on a mission to show us how misguided we are and he sets to work to convince us that we are duped and need rescuing. Si instead of Hubbard or Pilot saving us from ourselves we now have him offering to save us from ourselves.

I would suggest (politely) that Free Being Me should go and take a long running jump into a lake. We can sort out for ourselves what we think of the tech and whether or not it is workable in attaining a better state of life for ourselves.

So guys, DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

 

[Free Being Me]

And both are easier than trying to have a civil and productive discussion about the tech on ESMB. I

honestly don't know why I bother posting on here any more.

I, and no doubt all the others posting Pilot's writings to this thread, get that you and a few others here think the whole thing

is a crock of shite, really we do. Even though as far as I can see none of you have actually tried any of Pilot's processes for

yourselves. So why keep going on about it?

BTW, I am proof that the "no psychosomatic illnesses cured" is untrue. I had a bad dose of gastritis, of five years' standing,

blow on doing the "Ups and Downs" course (an introductory version of the PTS Rundown). Yes, in my local Org.

I can't prove it to your or anyone else's satisfaction, but I don't need to. Take it or leave it.

No one is being uncivil. Here is a beautiful quote from Smilla that sums up the cognitive dissonance of pursuing the tek, upset tummies and miraculously available parking spaces aside. I'm not interested in fixing anyone or telling anyone how wrong they are for still believing in Elcon's lies, much less for believing in derivatives thereof. I am interested in warning people off from the tragedy that Elcon started and if that makes some people uncomfortable, then good. They should feel uncomfortable when it comes to realizing the significance of what can happen to them or did happen from $cientology. I truly wish every person ever in including their friends and families true healing in their own way and time, even if they never find it, at least I and others cared enough to say this is wrong. Namaste.

You're assumptive thinking is intriguing as I've offered no incivilities or claims yet you persist in shifting this conversation towards a rats nest replete with fallacies about personalities with statements I've never said instead of what I have brought up, cult recovery and cultist indoctrination with psychological manipulation - I.E.: the "tek."

Elcon was a narcissistic sociopath cult leader with a sharp propensity for understanding and implementing his unconscionable methods of mind control upon his followers. His so called tek is the cheese baited trap he cunningly placed with deft cognitive dissonances in place to ensure a maze like dissociation with addictive patterns of dependency, traumatically bonding the unsuspecting into a circular dis-empowerment. Sociopaths such as Elcon are very clever with abuse and that's what makes his $cientology so insidious insofar as cult recovery is concerned.

Sociopath (Antisocial personality disorder)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829/DSECTION=symptoms
Definition
Antisocial personality disorder is a type of chronic mental condition in which a person's ways of thinking, perceiving situations and relating to others are dysfunctional — and destructive. People with antisocial personality disorder typically have no regard for right and wrong and often disregard the rights, wishes and feelings of others.

Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference. They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble, yet they show no guilt or remorse. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. These characteristics typically make people with antisocial personality disorder unable to fulfill responsibilities related to family, work or school.

Symptoms

• Disregard for right and wrong
• Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others
• Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or for sheer personal pleasure
• Intense egocentrism, sense of superiority and exhibitionism
• Recurring difficulties with the law
• Repeatedly violating the rights of others by the use of intimidation, dishonesty and misrepresentation
• Child abuse or neglect
• Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, impulsiveness, aggression or violence
• Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
• Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behaviors
• Poor or abusive relationships
• Irresponsible work behavior
• Failure to learn from the negative consequences of behavior

Traumatic Bonding
http://victimsofpsychopaths.wordpress.com/traumatic-bonding/
Traumatic bonding is “strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.” (Dutton & Painter, 1981). Several conditions have been identified that must be present for a traumatic bond to occur.

–(1). There must be an imbalance of power, with one person more in control of key aspects of the relationship, such as setting themselves up as the “authority” through such things as controlling the finances, or making most of the relationship decisions, or using threats and intimidations, so the relationship has become lopsided.

–(2). The abusive behavior is sporadic in nature. It is characterized by intermittent reinforcement, which means there is the alternating of highly intense positives (such as intense kindness or affection) and the negatives of the abusive behavior.

–(3). The victim engages in denial of the abuse for emotional self- protection. In severe abuse (this can be psychological or physical), one form of psychological protection strategy is dissociation, where the victim experiences the abuse as if it is not happening to them, but as if they are outside their body watching the scene unfold (like watching a movie). Dissociative states allow the victim to compartmentalize the abusive aspects of the relationship in order to focus on the positive aspects.

The use of denial and distancing oneself from the abuse are forms of what is called cognitive dissonance. In abusive relationships this means that what is happening to the victim is so horrible, so far removed from their thoughts and expectations of the world, that it is “dissonant” or “out of tune” or “at odds” with their pre-existing expectations and reality.

Since the victim feels powerless to change the situation, they rely on emotional strategies to try to make it less dissonant, to try to somehow make it fit. To cope with the contradicting behaviors of the abuser, and to survive the abuse, the person literally has to change how they perceive reality.

Studies also show a person is more loyal and committed to a person or situation that is difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating, and the more the victim has invested in the relationship, the more they need to justify their position. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful “self-preservation” mechanism which can completely distort and override the truth, with the victim developing a tolerance for the abuse and “normalizing” the abusers behavior, despite evidence to the contrary.

–(4). The victim masks that the abuse is happening, may not have admitted it to anyone, not even themselves.

Trauma bonding makes it easier for a victim to survive within the relationship, but it severely undermines the victims self-structures, undermining their ability to accurately evaluate danger, and impairs their ability to perceive of alternatives to the situation.

Once a trauma bond is established it becomes extremely difficult for the victim to break free of the relationship. The way humans respond to trauma is thought to have a biological basis and reactions to trauma was first described a century ago, with the term “railroad spine” being used. Another term used has been “shell shocked”.

Victims overwhelmed with terror suffer from an overload of their system, and to be able to function they must distort reality. They often shut down emotionally, and sometimes later describe themselves as having felt “robotic”, intellectually knowing what happened, but feeling frozen or numb and unable to take action. A victim must feel safe and out of “survival mode” before they will be able to make cognitive changes.

Many victims feel the compulsion to tell and retell the events of the trauma in an attempt to come to terms with what happened to them and to try to integrate it, reaching out to others for contact, safety, and stability. Other victims react in an opposite manner, withdrawing into a shell of self-imposed isolation. The trauma bond can persist even after the victim leaves the relationship, with it sometimes taking months, or even years, for them to completely break the bond.

Emotional Attachments in Abusive Relationships: A Test of Traumatic Bonding Theory - PDF (Dutton and Painter)
http://lab.drdondutton.com/wp-conte...SHIPS-A-TEST-OF-TRAUMATIC-BONDING-THEORY..pdf

It's not a case of being uncomfortable. it's a case of being irritated; because when you comment on Pilot's works, as you did above with your comment about Ant (someone with over 60 years' experience in the Tech) being fooled, you're claiming an authority over people like Ant and me, like we're all poor deluded fools who should be grateful to be put in their place by such exemplars of spiritual insight and common sense as yourselves (since you refer to "others").

Don't you see how arrogant that sounds?

Sorry, but I simply don't believe you or the others who do this are the ultra-wise and all-knowing savants you claim to be.

If I did, I'd be asking you for the answers, since I freely admit I haven't found the way out of the trap yet. Nor had Pilot - but he admitted that he hadn't, and called upon everyone interested in doing so to help him find it. One more reason why it's wrong IMO to equate him with Ron and the CofS (as is being done constantly throughout this thread).

Well this yip yap has been going on for the last few days and I'm going to chip in now and say what I think of it all.

We had a good thread here - Ant posting articles by Pilot and we discussing it as we chose.

The along comes Free Being ME and he's on a mission to show us how misguided we are and he sets to work to convince us that we are duped and need rescuing. Si instead of Hubbard or Pilot saving us from ourselves we now have him offering to save us from ourselves.

I would suggest (politely) that Free Being Me should go and take a long running jump into a lake. We can sort out for ourselves what we think of the tech and whether or not it is workable in attaining a better state of life for ourselves.

So guys, DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Again, I've offered no insults and been very polite posting information regarding cult recovery and some of the mechanics of abuse and psychological manipulation (the tek) without labeling anyone negatively posting here on this thread. Can the same be said in return? Nice attempt trying to again make this about personalities with demeaning assumptions or try the common cult practice of Shunning.

Now if any of you would actually read the information on traumatic bonding it would be apparent that discussing the "tek" (and there's nothing wrong doing so) from a cultist psychological context is natural. My interest is and I'll say it again, is posting the abusive damages caused by Elcon's $cientology "tek" whether it's from Elcon, Slappy, CBR, The Pilot or any other flavors. Post away to your collective hearts content although anyone interested in cult recovery versus more indoctrination will at least have some seeds planted here. Surprisingly as it may seem to all of you, I wish each of you well with kindness and respect.

Namaste.

Pseudo-Identity and the Treatment of Personality Change in Victims of Captivity and Cults (Paragraph 12)
https://sites.google.com/site/mcrais/pseudo
"A totalist cult is defined as follows: “Cult (totalist type): a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing, and employing unethical, manipulative or coercive techniques of persuasion and control (e.g., isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressure, information management, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it, suspension of individuality and critical judgment, and so on, designed to advance the goals of the group’s leaders, to the possible or actual detriment of members, their families, or the community.” The basis for this definition, and a general discussion of the cult problem, is given elsewhere (West, 1983). Among various totalist cults, there may be some differences as to how intense the persuasive activities are, and in the degree to which recruits can be separated from their previous social networks. Even though he may have been attracted to the cult by elaborate and deceptive recruiting techniques, the neophyte cultist enters it “voluntarily.” With rare exceptions, nobody puts a gun to his head. Yet, successful indoctrination of a cult member often includes many elements similar to the political indoctrination by such groups as the Chinese communists, which Schein (1961) described as coercive persuasion. In cults, as in the Chinese “brainwashing,” “thought reform,” or “coercive persuasion,” people are often encouraged to criticize themselves in small-group confessionals as a means of strengthening their dependence on the group. As the process continues, members are systematically trained to relinquish independent action and thought, since only obedient behaviors and passive attitudes are rewarded, while resistance or self-assertion is punished."


Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism
In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform":
"Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

Mystical Manipulation. The manipulation of experiences that appears spontaneous but is, in fact, planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority, spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets the leader and/or group apart from humanity, and that allows reinterpretation of historical events, scripture, and other experiences. Coincidences and happenstance oddities are interpreted as omens or prophecies.

Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.

Doctrine over person. Members' personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also."

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Again, I've offered no insults and been very polite posting information regarding cult recovery and some of the mechanics of abuse and psychological manipulation (the tek) without labeling anyone negatively posting here on this thread. Can the same be said in return? Nice attempt trying to again make this about personalities with demeaning assumptions or try the common cult practice of Shunning.

Now if any of you would actually read the information on traumatic bonding it would be apparent that discussing the "tek" (and there's nothing wrong doing so) from a cultist psychological context is natural. My interest is and I'll say it again, is posting the abusive damages caused by Elcon's $cientology "tek" whether it's from Elcon, Slappy, CBR, The Pilot or any other flavors. Post away to your collective hearts content although anyone interested in cult recovery versus more indoctrination will at least have some seeds planted here. Surprisingly as it may seem to all of you, I wish each of you well with kindness and respect.

Namaste.

Pseudo-Identity and the Treatment of Personality Change in Victims of Captivity and Cults (Paragraph 12)
https://sites.google.com/site/mcrais/pseudo
"A totalist cult is defined as follows: “Cult (totalist type): a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing, and employing unethical, manipulative or coercive techniques of persuasion and control (e.g., isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressure, information management, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it, suspension of individuality and critical judgment, and so on, designed to advance the goals of the group’s leaders, to the possible or actual detriment of members, their families, or the community.” The basis for this definition, and a general discussion of the cult problem, is given elsewhere (West, 1983). Among various totalist cults, there may be some differences as to how intense the persuasive activities are, and in the degree to which recruits can be separated from their previous social networks. Even though he may have been attracted to the cult by elaborate and deceptive recruiting techniques, the neophyte cultist enters it “voluntarily.” With rare exceptions, nobody puts a gun to his head. Yet, successful indoctrination of a cult member often includes many elements similar to the political indoctrination by such groups as the Chinese communists, which Schein (1961) described as coercive persuasion. In cults, as in the Chinese “brainwashing,” “thought reform,” or “coercive persuasion,” people are often encouraged to criticize themselves in small-group confessionals as a means of strengthening their dependence on the group. As the process continues, members are systematically trained to relinquish independent action and thought, since only obedient behaviors and passive attitudes are rewarded, while resistance or self-assertion is punished."


Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism
In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform":
"Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

Mystical Manipulation. The manipulation of experiences that appears spontaneous but is, in fact, planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority, spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets the leader and/or group apart from humanity, and that allows reinterpretation of historical events, scripture, and other experiences. Coincidences and happenstance oddities are interpreted as omens or prophecies.

Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.

Doctrine over person. Members' personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also."

Free Being Me, I don't think you're a troll but I can see why others would. People raise points (for example, in my case, about it being possible to recover from psychosomatic illnesses by using the "tek", which you deny) and you just ignore them because it doesn't suit your book.

Again, I asked you a question (without malice);

"OK, so you're someone who thinks that any thread about Ken Ogger (the Pilot) is really a thread about LRH, since Ken was effectively completely under LRH's spell and had essentially no worthwhile thoughts or cognitions of his own to speak of?"

Am I correct in that assumption?"

and you simply ignored it.

I don't think you know anything at all about Ken Ogger (The Pilot)'s work, have read any of his writings to speak of, tried any of his processes, or taken the trouble to acquaint yourself with what he was trying to do; and yet here you are posting in a thread about the Pilot and expecting people to take you seriously.

See why I don't think you're worth engaging with?

Cats .

 

[Claire Swazey]

Free Being Me,

It's true. You've actually pulled your punches on this thread. Generally, though, you're often quite rude to anyone who either recommends the FZ, Indie venues or their right to discuss things, or, indeed, anyone you don't like. It is often far from pleasant to see your posts on any subject where you're not happy with the expressed views of any of the contributors. It would not be difficult to find those posts, either.

And even on this thread, you haven't been quite as civil as you might think, though I do believe, as I said, that you were pulling your punches far more than usual. On this thread you've recommended that people do cult recovery thingies and you've at least twice stated a supposition that others are drinking koolaid- not as a general thing (eg: "I think CofS members are really drinking the koolaid." or "I think non CofS Scientologists are still drinking the koolaid")- no, these were directed at specific people, with second grammatical tense used.

I live in the real world. I have been working since I was in my late teens. Half my friends have never been in Scn or any critical venue. And I will tell you that any of them, if spoken to in that manner, would not have much patience with that.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Anyone for charades?

Do any of you well meaning role players like to dress up and pretend to be any other kind of professional ... or do you just stick to pretending to be therapists?

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Re: Anyone for charades?

Do any of you well meaning role players like to dress up and pretend to be any other kind of professional ... or do you just stick to pretending to be therapists?

That comment is intentionally insulting and I resent it. I don't "role play" or pretend to be a therapist or anything else on here. And if the others posting here are well meaning, as I'm sure they are, they wouldn't be either.

I'm reporting that post.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Re: Anyone for charades?

That comment is intentionally insulting and I resent it. I don't "role play", pretend to be a therapist or anything else on here. And if the others posting here were well meaning, as I'm sure they are, they wouldn't be either.

I'm reporting that post.

I 'resent' role players who intentionally mess with other people's minds ... do you know who I should [STRIKE]KR[/STRIKE] report them to?

 

[uniquemand]

Re: Anyone for charades?

I 'resent' role players who intentionally mess with other people's minds ... do you know who I should [STRIKE]KR[/STRIKE] report them to?

A woman scorned.

 

[Free Being Me]

Free Being Me,

It's true. You've actually pulled your punches on this thread. Generally, though, you're often quite rude to anyone who either recommends the FZ, Indie venues or their right to discuss things, or, indeed, anyone you don't like. It is often far from pleasant to see your posts on any subject where you're not happy with the expressed views of any of the contributors. It would not be difficult to find those posts, either.

And even on this thread, you haven't been quite as civil as you might think, though I do believe, as I said, that you were pulling your punches far more than usual. On this thread you've recommended that people do cult recovery thingies and you've at least twice stated a supposition that others are drinking koolaid- not as a general thing (eg: "I think CofS members are really drinking the koolaid." or "I think non CofS Scientologists are still drinking the koolaid")- no, these were directed at specific people, with second grammatical tense used.

I live in the real world. I have been working since I was in my late teens. Half my friends have never been in Scn or any critical venue. And I will tell you that any of them, if spoken to in that manner, would not have much patience with that.

What happened to discussing the topic(s) at hand as opposed to discussing a particular poster where the conversation degenerates into insults? I've been avoiding that, have you?

Free Being Me, I don't think you're a troll but I can see why others would. People raise points (for example, in my case, about it being possible to recover from psychosomatic illnesses by using the "tek", which you deny) and you just ignore them because it doesn't suit your book.

Again, I asked you a question (without malice);

"OK, so you're someone who thinks that any thread about Ken Ogger (the Pilot) is really a thread about LRH, since Ken was effectively completely under LRH's spell and had essentially no worthwhile thoughts or cognitions of his own to speak of?"

Am I correct in that assumption?"

and you simply ignored it.

I don't think you know anything at all about Ken Ogger (The Pilot)'s work, have read any of his writings to speak of, tried any of his processes, or taken the trouble to acquaint yourself with what he was trying to do; and yet here you are posting in a thread about the Pilot and expecting people to take you seriously.

See why I don't think you're worth engaging with?

Cats .

Ken committed suicide, that poor man sadly killed himself. That's a tragic fact, one that's based on his attempts to base his efforts on Elcon's "tek" and it didn't end well for him. Isn't that sufficient reason for great pause and not exactly what I would call a recommending win affirming his spin on the "tek." The cult and it's spin offs don't end well for people unless of course they leave, if it isn't too late and even then what was the price paid to finally leave?

Each of you is free. I mean physically FREE of the cult with capital letters. Isn't that amazing? Isn't that something to be grateful for? I am. No more bait and switch, no more high pressure regging sales, no more empty Bridge. No more IAS donations, no more late night calls, no more ethics cycles. No more groupthink peer pressure tactics to tow the cult party line. No more loaded language cult think, no more events, no more case on post, no more word clearing, no more having to conform to every Policy and HCOB. No more fear, obligation, and guilt to be manipulated, no more don't ask questions or suffer the consequences of a destructive label. No more having some one decide who one's friends are and what family members are acceptable to talk with. No more filtered propaganda while socially isolating to instill us vs them black and white thinking. No more calculated cult lies. No more KR's and OSA. No more emotionally inhibiting H.E. & R. tone scale to repress feelings. No More! Isn't that beautiful? What a relief!

But what of the psychological/emotional freedoms of being out of the cult going hand in hand with the physical freedoms? Have any of you posting on this thread reflected that without the external controlling cult infrastructure in place influencing itself constantly, the choice (if choice it is considering what the cult does to people) is to still pursue the cult Bridge. A Bridge that's a sales pitch of empty promises. Is that a real free choice or internalized cult indoctrination? I can't answer that question for anyone nor will I, that's up to each individual person to answer for themselves.

Kat, you speak of "wanting out of the trap." What trap? The cult think trap of a meat body? The trap of being human and exploring one's humanity? The trap of living life? Are those "traps" the "tek" will fix or challenges of being yourself, imperfections and gifts mixed into being a unique human being? With the sum of current human knowledge to traverse, the arts, music and imagination, beautiful nature and fellow human beings, the Masters with messages of love, the joys and sorrows of being alive, the sheer wonder of it all and the focus is the "tek." Why is that?

You asked for an answer and there it is. My apologies for jumping on my soap box, I have no intention of being preachy and still maintain I'm not out to fix anyone. My questions which I ask without an agenda to entrap anyone and I'm not looking for anyone to answer, are simply that, questions for self soul searching. You all enjoy your tek talk. Merry Christmas!

Namaste

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Re: Anyone for charades?

I 'resent' role players who intentionally mess with other people's minds ... do you know who I should [STRIKE]KR[/STRIKE] report them to?

Whoever you want. I have a clear conscience on the matter. I am not role playing or pretending here, and nor as far as I can see is anyone else. Nor am I or anyone else here "messing with anyone's mind."

If you think otherwise and want to report someone for doing it, fill your boots.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Re: Anyone for charades?

A woman scorned.

Kind of doesn't make sense for her to go to this section of this board- which says Freezone Independents and other flavors of Scientology- then feel like it's role playing and that she resents it.

I mean, what- for her next trick she's gonna go to a Church of the Subgenius venue and get upset when they talk about Bob Dobbs?

Or go to a cupcake store and complain about how they want everyone to eat their lousy cupcakes... (there are some godawful cupcake stores around. I sometimes cannot figure out this craze. So I just avoid them.)

 

[Claire Swazey]

Free Being Me,

And as to what happened about not discussing contributors, well, I think you put it on the table when you asked Watchful -twice-if he was drinking the koolaid and recommended cult recovery for him.

I do get the facts about Oggers death and possible inherent problems with Scn "tech" and, indeed, commented on that at length a day or two ago.

Also, I am not sure if you are aware that some of the people talking here about the Pilot aren't even fz/Independents.

Ok, done now with this particular thread meander.

 

[F.Bullbait]

Re: Pilot's repost Z84 -- Home Universe Processing

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Pilot's repost Z84

Home Universe Processing

From Post 65 – August 1999

[The Pilot wrote:]
FZ Bible recently posted a collection of 4th ACC tape transcripts.

These contain tons of group processing sessions. The 4th ACC
was the group processing ACC and had about 60 hours of group
processing that Ron did on the ACC students.

At the very end, after carrying the class up on a long
gradient, Ron runs the most fantastic process. I don't
think that you could use it on a group without this much
warm up, and it would probably be over a lot of people's
heads, but it is just fantastic and worth a special note.

And so on
_______________________________________________

Back on topic.

I download the 4th American ACC which is of gargantuan proportions. The group processing was interesting.

When I was "in" in the '70s, there was little group processing being done other than to entertain raw public or running objectives for students and staff.

Running the 4th ACC group processing, I can now see why this was so. After a few processes, I had a cog. The processing continued and I soldiered on but started to have typical overrun symptoms. I stopped the recording and rehabed my win and all was OK. In a live group process, this could not be done. The recipient of the processing would have to be knowledgeable enough to handle the situation of overrun. Doesn't seem like an ideal situation.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Re: Anyone for charades?

Kind of doesn't make sense for her to go to this section of this board- which says Freezone Independents and other flavors of Scientology- then feel like it's role playing and that she resents it.

If anyone's going to cause trouble like that they should warn us in advance so we could ... .

Oh, wait. She did.

Helena

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Re: Anyone for charades?

Kind of doesn't make sense for her to go to this section of this board- which says Freezone Independents and other flavors of Scientology- then feel like it's role playing and that she resents it.

I mean, what- for her next trick she's gonna go to a Church of the Subgenius venue and get upset when they talk about Bob Dobbs?

Or go to a cupcake store and complain about how they want everyone to eat their lousy cupcakes... (there are some godawful cupcake stores around. I sometimes cannot figure out this craze. So I just avoid them.)

Agreed. I wouldn't have a problem if Trouble or anyone else came on here and accused people who post here of being untrained amateurs - you can disagree, but at least it's mutually acknowledged between her and us that they're acting in good faith. In fact I believe she's done that in the past.

Claiming that someone's role playing or pretending, on the other hand, doesn't allow them that courtesy. In fact, I think you should never accuse someone of bad faith (which that does) without very good reason. It crosses a line of civility which is necessary when people of differing views and experiences discuss things with one another.

 

[Antony A Phillips]

Re: Pilot's repost Z84 -- Home Universe Processing

I download the 4th American ACC which is of gargantuan proportions. The group processing was interesting.

When I was "in" in the '70s, there was little group processing being done other than to entertain raw public or running objectives for students and staff.

Running the 4th ACC group processing, I can now see why this was so. After a few processes, I had a cog. The processing continued and I soldiered on but started to have typical overrun symptoms. I stopped the recording and rehabed my win and all was OK. In a live group process, this could not be done. The recipient of the processing would have to be knowledgeable enough to handle the situation of overrun. Doesn't seem like an ideal situation.

Very interesting. I have speculated on why we (I really mean 'I') do not see group processing any more. You have highlighted something I had not really thought of. Perhaps a solution is to explain to the processees the signs of overrun, and let them step out if they got a good EP. Most problems have some sort of a solution.

Thanks for posting,

Ant

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

What happened to discussing the topic(s) at hand as opposed to discussing a particular poster where the conversation degenerates into insults? I've been avoiding that, have you?

Ken committed suicide, that poor man sadly killed himself. That's a tragic fact, one that's based on his attempts to base his efforts on Elcon's "tek" and it didn't end well for him. Isn't that sufficient reason for great pause and not exactly what I would call a recommending win affirming his spin on the "tek." The cult and it's spin offs don't end well for people unless of course they leave, if it isn't too late and even then what was the price paid to finally leave?

Each of you is free. I mean physically FREE of the cult with capital letters. Isn't that amazing? Isn't that something to be grateful for? I am. No more bait and switch, no more high pressure regging sales, no more empty Bridge. No more IAS donations, no more late night calls, no more ethics cycles. No more groupthink peer pressure tactics to tow the cult party line. No more loaded language cult think, no more events, no more case on post, no more word clearing, no more having to conform to every Policy and HCOB. No more fear, obligation, and guilt to be manipulated, no more don't ask questions or suffer the consequences of a destructive label. No more having some one decide who one's friends are and what family members are acceptable to talk with. No more filtered propaganda while socially isolating to instill us vs them black and white thinking. No more calculated cult lies. No more KR's and OSA. No more emotionally inhibiting H.E. & R. tone scale to repress feelings. No More! Isn't that beautiful? What a relief!

But what of the psychological/emotional freedoms of being out of the cult going hand in hand with the physical freedoms? Have any of you posting on this thread reflected that without the external controlling cult infrastructure in place influencing itself constantly, the choice (if choice it is considering what the cult does to people) is to still pursue the cult Bridge. A Bridge that's a sales pitch of empty promises. Is that a real free choice or internalized cult indoctrination? I can't answer that question for anyone nor will I, that's up to each individual person to answer for themselves.

Kat, you speak of "wanting out of the trap." What trap? The cult think trap of a meat body? The trap of being human and exploring one's humanity? The trap of living life? Are those "traps" the "tek" will fix or challenges of being yourself, imperfections and gifts mixed into being a unique human being? With the sum of current human knowledge to traverse, the arts, music and imagination, beautiful nature and fellow human beings, the Masters with messages of love, the joys and sorrows of being alive, the sheer wonder of it all and the focus is the "tek." Why is that?

You asked for an answer and there it is. My apologies for jumping on my soap box, I have no intention of being preachy and still maintain I'm not out to fix anyone. My questions which I ask without an agenda to entrap anyone and I'm not looking for anyone to answer, are simply that, questions for self soul searching. You all enjoy your tek talk. Merry Christmas!

Namaste

And to you too

Being human and exploring one's humanity is not antithetical with being spiritual; some of the most spiritual people I've known have also been the most human.

As for Pilot, I love the guy, as is probably obvious; if it hadn't been for him I would probably have forgotten about the "tek" years ago, and certainly wouldn't have found this board, as I only did so as a result of a search for him in 2007 (I didn't know he'd died and only found out when I started browsing here). So what went wrong (clearly something did)?

I'm not convinced he was wrong about what he said in his "Farewell" post about having been drugged, raped and implanted with suicide suggestions by the SO; I think it's possible that that did happen. But (a very controversial subject here) assuming he's wrong; bear in mind he was an explorer and pioneer trying to find the road out for all of us, and in that there are risks IMO. Alexandra David-Neel (a European explorer in Tibet) once came across an unfortunate monk who had apparently gone mad and was tormented by visions and hallucinations that he couldn't "turn off", and when she expressed her horror and sympathy at this she was told not to be so sentimental and that the risks of the Short Path were well known. (If memory serves, the source for that one was "The Master Game").

I regard his self clearing book as completely safe and have done about 50 hours of processes from it, mostly about thirteen or fourteen years ago when I first discovered Pilot's stuff on Freezone America. I am less sure of the Super Scio stuff (The "Big Splitter" implant with its 108 legs in particular gave me the heebie-jeebies when I read about it ) and maybe you should stay away from that unless you're in very good case shape.